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Old July 5th 04, 07:33 PM
Jason
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Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

Kind Regards,

Jason
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Old July 5th 04, 07:47 PM
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(Jason) wrote in news:f6b73bcb.0407051033.45cd0162
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Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

Kind Regards,

Jason


I'm getting ready to dive into the X64 world myself and have been doing a
lot of research into AMD64 line and motherboards. From what I've read so
far, your temps should be around 30-35 C while on idle and temps up to 50-
55C are considered normal when the CPU is under full load. So it seems
that these temps that you are seeing are a bit high to say the least.

You should look into these areas:

1) What is your CPU cooler? Is it effective in cooling your AMD64 3200? Is
it even certified for AMD64 socket 754?

The reputable brands are Zalman, Thermaltake, Thermalright, Arctic Cooling
and Scythe.

2) Is your case ventilation adequate? Do you have enough fans in the case?
Are these fans place properly? Are these fans big enough?

3) The case itself could be a problem.

4) Some reviews on various websites made references to the possibility that
some (if not all) of the Gigabyte motherboards do not support AMD64's Cool
and Quiet technology. If in fact this is true, then this may explain to
some degree (pardon the pun!) as to why your idle temps are so high.

Hope this helps and good luck.
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Old July 5th 04, 08:18 PM
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Take the side off the case - leave it running for about 5 or 10 mins - if
the temp drops - it is down to pool ventilation in your case. I had the same
problems when I upgraded my PC to AMD at Xmas.

I took the side off my case - and the temp dropped 20 degrees in 10 mins.
This prompted me to chase my case for one with more ventilation where I
could istall additional fans on the side and on the rear. I also replaced my
processor fan for a "Coolermaster Aero 7 Lite Alloy Extrusion + Aero Fan Amd
Cpu"
eg:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=62489

A System Exhaust Blower Fan also helped:
eg:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=23879

Hope this helps,

Si.


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Old July 6th 04, 02:22 AM
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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:33:28 -0700, Jason wrote:

Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

If the temps are correct, yes, you should be worried, a lot. Some MB's may
not be reporting temps right. don't know about yours. Double check the
cooler installation. I get about 40C in bios on my 64 3000+ using the
stock cooler.

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Old July 6th 04, 08:58 AM
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Like Wes said, your Motherboard may not be reporting the temperature right.
Try different temperature reporting software like Hmonitor, Motherboard
Monitor 5, etc and see what you get, or try measuring the temperature
manualy with a temp measuring device, whatever you come up with. If your CPU
is really running at 60-65, thats way too high. When I was running my A64
3200+ air cooled, the highest I would get was 52C or so, about 38C idle with
stock HSF. With todays CPUs, you have to have proper case vent, at least 2
80mm fans, 1 intake 1 exhaus. CPU temp is no longer a problem for me as its
watercooled. 30C idle peeks at 40C under heavy load.
Goodluck






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Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

Kind Regards,

Jason



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Old July 6th 04, 10:54 AM
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"Jason" wrote in message
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Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

Kind Regards,

Jason


Use a program like CPU-Z to verify which AMD64 you have, if it's the latest
Newcastle core, i.e. Family=F, Model=C, Stepping=0 then there is a known
temperature monitoring issue with the motherboard BIOS, as far as I know
this affects all K8 motherboards. Some motherboard manufacturers like Abit
have already addressed this problem and the temperatures are showing around
20C less.

The AMD64 will 'shut down' if the core temperature exceeds 70C to prevent
damage, if your system is stable it isn't over heating. You should check in
a Gigabyte forum to see if others are experiencing similar problems and get
Gigabyte to address the problem.


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Old July 12th 04, 08:13 AM
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AMD 64 3200 - Idling at 65 degress
Just build A64 2800+ system on MSI K8T Neo FISR MB. Same problem as Jason
has. Idling at 63C, loaded at max 77C! Yes it is the new processor with
NewCastle core, Family F Model C Stepping 0. In the store where I bought the
hardware, I was told that its the problem with the new NewCastle core
reporting the temps incorrectly. If it wasn't so, and the actual die temp
was 77C, wouldn't my cpu be dead already?
Coaimhghin says:
The AMD64 will 'shut down' if the core temperature exceeds 70C to prevent
damage, if your system is stable it isn't over heating.

Okay, where does this "overheating protection" read the temperature from? Is
there some OnDie sensor for overheating protection that we can't get reading
from?

If the overheating temperature exists and functions properly, shouldn't I be
able to remove my HSF from the CPU completely and watch the system shut down
automaticaly in few minutes? AMD Product Spec says Max Die temp can be 85C.

Just updated the BIOS to latest revision, it doesn't fix the problem.

Okay, anybody has the same problem, solution to this problem or answers to
my questions, any help is much appreciated.





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"Jason" wrote in message
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Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

Kind Regards,

Jason


Use a program like CPU-Z to verify which AMD64 you have, if it's the

latest
Newcastle core, i.e. Family=F, Model=C, Stepping=0 then there is a known
temperature monitoring issue with the motherboard BIOS, as far as I know
this affects all K8 motherboards. Some motherboard manufacturers like

Abit
have already addressed this problem and the temperatures are showing

around
20C less.

The AMD64 will 'shut down' if the core temperature exceeds 70C to prevent
damage, if your system is stable it isn't over heating. You should check

in
a Gigabyte forum to see if others are experiencing similar problems and

get
Gigabyte to address the problem.




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Old July 12th 04, 09:11 AM
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"johny" wrote

If the overheating temperature exists and functions properly, shouldn't I

be
able to remove my HSF from the CPU completely and watch the system shut

down
automaticaly in few minutes?


Probably the cpu would instantly be toast.


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Old July 12th 04, 09:58 AM
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:13:40 +0000, johny wrote:

AMD 64 3200 - Idling at 65 degress
Just build A64 2800+ system on MSI K8T Neo FISR MB. Same problem as Jason
has. Idling at 63C, loaded at max 77C! Yes it is the new processor with
NewCastle core, Family F Model C Stepping 0. In the store where I bought the
hardware, I was told that its the problem with the new NewCastle core
reporting the temps incorrectly. If it wasn't so, and the actual die temp
was 77C, wouldn't my cpu be dead already?


Nope it would have shut off. This I know from yesterday. Flashed a new
bios, rebooted and noticed temps climbing. Figuring the new bios was
screwed up I watched it a while. When it got pretty high after a while I
took the side cover off and saw that my cpu fan wasn't on. I played with
it a while trying to get it to work, then started some bad smells. The
machine shut down within a few seconds. Replaced the fan and running
again. The fan was a TMD fan. That's either 2 or 3 that I've had die on me
before they were a year old. It will be my last.

Coaimhghin says:
The AMD64 will 'shut down' if the core temperature exceeds 70C to prevent
damage, if your system is stable it isn't over heating.

Okay, where does this "overheating protection" read the temperature from? Is
there some OnDie sensor for overheating protection that we can't get reading
from?

It's an internal circuit that you can't monitor afaik.

If the overheating temperature exists and functions properly, shouldn't
I be able to remove my HSF from the CPU completely and watch the system
shut down automaticaly in few minutes? AMD Product Spec says Max Die
temp can be 85C.

Yep. Even though mine did shutdown on it's own, I wouldn't want to test it
again.:-)

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Old July 13th 04, 06:14 AM
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:13:40 GMT, johny wrote:
AMD 64 3200 - Idling at 65 degress
Just build A64 2800+ system on MSI K8T Neo FISR MB. Same problem as Jason
has. Idling at 63C, loaded at max 77C! Yes it is the new processor with
NewCastle core, Family F Model C Stepping 0. In the store where I bought the
hardware, I was told that its the problem with the new NewCastle core
reporting the temps incorrectly. If it wasn't so, and the actual die temp
was 77C, wouldn't my cpu be dead already?
Coaimhghin says:
The AMD64 will 'shut down' if the core temperature exceeds 70C to prevent
damage, if your system is stable it isn't over heating.

Okay, where does this "overheating protection" read the temperature from? Is
there some OnDie sensor for overheating protection that we can't get reading
from?

If the overheating temperature exists and functions properly, shouldn't I be
able to remove my HSF from the CPU completely and watch the system shut down
automaticaly in few minutes? AMD Product Spec says Max Die temp can be 85C.


85C is for 32-bit chips 2200+ and higher. Max case temp for 64-bit is 70C
(mobile chips are 95C). My HP a530n BIOS (Asus KBN8X-LA mobo) shows my
AMD 64 3200+ (2000 MHz) about 45C, which is only in upper 40's at full
load (fire.exe). It idles at 38C.

As a comparison Compaq 32-bit AMD XP 3000+ (2100 MHz) shows 65C in BIOS,
69C CPU under full load, 48C idle. But it is rated 85C case temp.

Just updated the BIOS to latest revision, it doesn't fix the problem.


How does BIOS temperature compare with temperatures you are seeing?

Okay, anybody has the same problem, solution to this problem or answers to
my questions, any help is much appreciated.





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"Jason" wrote in message
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Hi all,

Another temperature related question. Reading back through this group
I can see there has been much discussion regarding this. Anyway I
have an AMD 64 3200 with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard and the CPU
runs at 60-65 degrees when nothing (apart from windows) is running.
Give the CPU something to think about and it reaches 75 degrees.

My question is simple - should I be worried about these kind of
temperatures?

Kind Regards,

Jason


Use a program like CPU-Z to verify which AMD64 you have, if it's the

latest
Newcastle core, i.e. Family=F, Model=C, Stepping=0 then there is a known
temperature monitoring issue with the motherboard BIOS, as far as I know
this affects all K8 motherboards. Some motherboard manufacturers like

Abit
have already addressed this problem and the temperatures are showing

around
20C less.

The AMD64 will 'shut down' if the core temperature exceeds 70C to prevent
damage, if your system is stable it isn't over heating. You should check

in
a Gigabyte forum to see if others are experiencing similar problems and

get
Gigabyte to address the problem.






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