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About NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200
Dear Group,
I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. What confuses me and for which I am seeking ad- vice is that the described card is offered under names like Jaton, HP, Dell etc. Are all these cards interchangeable? Do they differ in driver, in output cables or format (VGA vs DVI)? Do you know of a reliable source for purchase? I have spent a lot of time trying to find answers by googling, but without success. Any help is appreciated. GR. |
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About NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200
I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X
motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. What confuses me and for which I am seeking ad- vice is that the described card is offered under names like Jaton, HP, Dell etc. Are all these cards interchangeable? Do they differ in driver, in output cables or format (VGA vs DVI)? Do you know of a reliable source for purchase? Have a look at www.newegg.com - there will be pictures for the cards that will show the outputs. I haven't checked, but it may be possible to get different combinations of ports, such as S-Video output, VGA, DVI, etc. In my experience they all use the standard Nvidia drivers so the brand doesn't matter in that respect. |
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About NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200
Dear Victek,
Thank you for your quick response. I looked at the newegg.com site and found two versions of the GeForce2 MX 400 card. They are both PCI cards, no AGP is available. The pictures do show the output which is of value. I had been wishing for an AGP card. Since I do have empty PCI slots I could install the card from newegg, but I think that an AGP card would be better. What do you think I could also get an AGP card elsewhere since I now seem to know what the output looks like Thanks GR. "Victek" wrote in message ... I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. What confuses me and for which I am seeking ad- vice is that the described card is offered under names like Jaton, HP, Dell etc. Are all these cards interchangeable? Do they differ in driver, in output cables or format (VGA vs DVI)? Do you know of a reliable source for purchase? Have a look at www.newegg.com - there will be pictures for the cards that will show the outputs. I haven't checked, but it may be possible to get different combinations of ports, such as S-Video output, VGA, DVI, etc. In my experience they all use the standard Nvidia drivers so the brand doesn't matter in that respect. |
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About NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200
Victek wrote:
I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. What confuses me and for which I am seeking ad- vice is that the described card is offered under names like Jaton, HP, Dell etc. Are all these cards interchangeable? Do they differ in driver, in output cables or format (VGA vs DVI)? Do you know of a reliable source for purchase? Have a look at www.newegg.com - there will be pictures for the cards that will show the outputs. I haven't checked, but it may be possible to get different combinations of ports, such as S-Video output, VGA, DVI, etc. In my experience they all use the standard Nvidia drivers so the brand doesn't matter in that respect. I'd agree with that. You want to be more curious about the output options, and whether they are sufficient for your needs. If you have an old CRT monitor, there may be less to worry about. VGA connectors, with good analog capabilities, are easy to find. If you have an LCD, it could have an analog input (VGA), a digital input (DVI) or both. Depending on the age of the video card, there may not be a DVI connector, and no digital output. Or, there may be resolution restrictions on the DVI connector. Your video card slot on the A7N8X-X is pretty universal. The "keys" cut in the video card, are what is used to ensure there is agreement on voltages. If the card fits in the slot, it should be safe. There are exceptions to that rule, but the exceptions should be getting harder and harder to find, as time passes. This overview article should help. http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html There are 136 AGP 4X/8X video cards in this list. Many are duplicates and are made by different manufacturers. The prices vary slightly on the duplicates, as the RAM used may be different brands, and the manufacturer may have been able to save a few dimes here and there. For the more expensive cards, the ones that break more often, the warranty details may factor into the purchase decision. For a $50 card, you may not care too much about the warranty, as the expense of shipping the card around may not make it worthwhile to fix or seek a warranty replacement. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Subcategory=48 In this example card, you get to see the results of going too cheap. ASUS A9250/TD/128 Radeon 9250 128MB 64-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121525 To understand why some of the people have problems with the DVI output, you need to look at this article first. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvi In this picture, you can see some of the connector variations. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Types.svg.png That Asus card has a DVI-D connector. It carries only digital signals. The Asus card has a VGA connector, so there is an analog output. If you wanted to use two monitors, one would be analog and the other one would have to use the digital-only connector. Most video cards with DVI connectors, will be DVI-I. The DVI-I connector has both analog and digital signals on it. The analog signals are on the "four dot" end. If the "four dots" are missing, there are no analog signals on the DVI connector. To get at the available analog signals on the DVI-I connector, you use one of these. It picks up the signals from the "four dots" end and puts it in the familiar 15 pin VGA connector format. So for the majority of video cards, if you see a DVI-I connector, then a DVI-VGA adapter can be used to run an analog monitor, like a CRT. http://www.cooltechpc.com/ctpc/images/dvi-vga.jpg http://www.cooltechpc.com/ctpc/images/vga.jpg To save on future discomfort, it is a good idea to get a card with the DVI-VGA adapter included in the box. It is one less thing to have to shop for at the last minute, when you get a new monitor, or a friend comes over and needs their monitor tested. Anyway, back to that cheap Asus card. A DVI-VGA adapter won't fit. You would not discover that, unless you looked closely at the connector. In the picture here, you can see the "four dot" end is deficient. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...121-525-08.jpg I picked this picture next, to illustrate a card with a dual link DVI connector. The way I can tell, is the arrow they drew next to the connector, because otherwise I wouldn't have been able to guess :-) Dual link DVI can drive a digital monitor like an Apple 30". With the two connectors, you could drive one monitor with the VGA connector (analog signals), while the DVI-I dual link would be able to drive the 30" screen. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...241-044-02.jpg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814241044 (A card with two dual-link-DVI could drive two 30" monitors at the same time. This is a X1650Pro.) http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...241-043-02.jpg There are other criterion I use when selecting cards. For example, if you can see yourself using Vista in the future, and the Aero interface option, knowing what shader support is provided might be important. There are AGP cards that support DirectX 9 in the Newegg list, but there aren't any DirectX 10 video cards in AGP format (yet). DirectX 10 is more important for future gaming considerations. http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/ Video card power dissipation, is important both for sizing the needed power supply, and for helping to keep the computer cool inside. There isn't a comprehensive source of power information, and you have to scrounge through individual articles to find the info. Xbitlabs has a search page, and if you use the Advanced Search and set the "Search Using" to "All Words", then enter the video card model, as in "7300 GT power', you can find articles like this. A 30W card is low power, a 60W is midrange (what I have in my computer right now), while a 120W card is typical of a high end card. For computers with limited power supplies, and if you aren't a gamer, then a 30W card would be a good choice. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...r-noise_7.html Some video cards have a power connector on the end. For the AGP cards, the connector type is the same as a disk drive. The connector provides additional power, rather than trying to pull the power through the slot connector. Seeing the connector, doesn't necessarily mean the card draws a lot of power. It is just more convenient, if they wanted to use +12V to run the card. I didn't pick a "winning card" for you, because you might be price sensitive. Maybe the MX 400 is all you need or want. It all depends on what you plan on using for a monitor, as to whether that card would be enough. Paul |
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About NVIDIA GeForce2 MX200
* NoSpam:
I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. Holy ****, this card is around 7 years old! Are you really sure you want to buy such a dinosaur, especially since driver support is very likely to end soon? Since the A7N8X-X is a nForce2-based mainboard with AGP 8x slot you can just get any AGP card that you want and use it in your mainboard. For your low demaning you should look for a Geforce FX5200 or similar. They are sold very cheaply today and probably even cheaper than still getting a GF2MX. Benjamin |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... Victek wrote: I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. What confuses me and for which I am seeking ad- vice is that the described card is offered under names like Jaton, HP, Dell etc. Are all these cards interchangeable? Do they differ in driver, in output cables or format (VGA vs DVI)? Do you know of a reliable source for purchase? Have a look at www.newegg.com - there will be pictures for the cards that will show the outputs. I haven't checked, but it may be possible to get different combinations of ports, such as S-Video output, VGA, DVI, etc. In my experience they all use the standard Nvidia drivers so the brand doesn't matter in that respect. I'd agree with that. You want to be more curious about the output options, and whether they are sufficient for your needs. If you have an old CRT monitor, there may be less to worry about. VGA connectors, with good analog capabilities, are easy to find. If you have an LCD, it could have an analog input (VGA), a digital input (DVI) or both. Depending on the age of the video card, there may not be a DVI connector, and no digital output. Or, there may be resolution restrictions on the DVI connector. Your video card slot on the A7N8X-X is pretty universal. The "keys" cut in the video card, are what is used to ensure there is agreement on voltages. If the card fits in the slot, it should be safe. There are exceptions to that rule, but the exceptions should be getting harder and harder to find, as time passes. This overview article should help. http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html There are 136 AGP 4X/8X video cards in this list. Many are duplicates and are made by different manufacturers. The prices vary slightly on the duplicates, as the RAM used may be different brands, and the manufacturer may have been able to save a few dimes here and there. For the more expensive cards, the ones that break more often, the warranty details may factor into the purchase decision. For a $50 card, you may not care too much about the warranty, as the expense of shipping the card around may not make it worthwhile to fix or seek a warranty replacement. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Subcategory=48 In this example card, you get to see the results of going too cheap. ASUS A9250/TD/128 Radeon 9250 128MB 64-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121525 To understand why some of the people have problems with the DVI output, you need to look at this article first. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvi In this picture, you can see some of the connector variations. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Types.svg.png That Asus card has a DVI-D connector. It carries only digital signals. The Asus card has a VGA connector, so there is an analog output. If you wanted to use two monitors, one would be analog and the other one would have to use the digital-only connector. Most video cards with DVI connectors, will be DVI-I. The DVI-I connector has both analog and digital signals on it. The analog signals are on the "four dot" end. If the "four dots" are missing, there are no analog signals on the DVI connector. To get at the available analog signals on the DVI-I connector, you use one of these. It picks up the signals from the "four dots" end and puts it in the familiar 15 pin VGA connector format. So for the majority of video cards, if you see a DVI-I connector, then a DVI-VGA adapter can be used to run an analog monitor, like a CRT. http://www.cooltechpc.com/ctpc/images/dvi-vga.jpg http://www.cooltechpc.com/ctpc/images/vga.jpg To save on future discomfort, it is a good idea to get a card with the DVI-VGA adapter included in the box. It is one less thing to have to shop for at the last minute, when you get a new monitor, or a friend comes over and needs their monitor tested. Anyway, back to that cheap Asus card. A DVI-VGA adapter won't fit. You would not discover that, unless you looked closely at the connector. In the picture here, you can see the "four dot" end is deficient. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...121-525-08.jpg I picked this picture next, to illustrate a card with a dual link DVI connector. The way I can tell, is the arrow they drew next to the connector, because otherwise I wouldn't have been able to guess :-) Dual link DVI can drive a digital monitor like an Apple 30". With the two connectors, you could drive one monitor with the VGA connector (analog signals), while the DVI-I dual link would be able to drive the 30" screen. http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...241-044-02.jpg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814241044 (A card with two dual-link-DVI could drive two 30" monitors at the same time. This is a X1650Pro.) http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...241-043-02.jpg There are other criterion I use when selecting cards. For example, if you can see yourself using Vista in the future, and the Aero interface option, knowing what shader support is provided might be important. There are AGP cards that support DirectX 9 in the Newegg list, but there aren't any DirectX 10 video cards in AGP format (yet). DirectX 10 is more important for future gaming considerations. http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/ Video card power dissipation, is important both for sizing the needed power supply, and for helping to keep the computer cool inside. There isn't a comprehensive source of power information, and you have to scrounge through individual articles to find the info. Xbitlabs has a search page, and if you use the Advanced Search and set the "Search Using" to "All Words", then enter the video card model, as in "7300 GT power', you can find articles like this. A 30W card is low power, a 60W is midrange (what I have in my computer right now), while a 120W card is typical of a high end card. For computers with limited power supplies, and if you aren't a gamer, then a 30W card would be a good choice. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...r-noise_7.html Some video cards have a power connector on the end. For the AGP cards, the connector type is the same as a disk drive. The connector provides additional power, rather than trying to pull the power through the slot connector. Seeing the connector, doesn't necessarily mean the card draws a lot of power. It is just more convenient, if they wanted to use +12V to run the card. I didn't pick a "winning card" for you, because you might be price sensitive. Maybe the MX 400 is all you need or want. It all depends on what you plan on using for a monitor, as to whether that card would be enough. Paul I thank you for your detailed info. It will take me some time to look into it. In the meantime I wish to say that I am currently using a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 920 19inch monitor. I am thinking of getting a good LCD in the future. I definitely do not need what is called three D performance and fast action. I need good color and good resolution. Another point is, that my image processing PC is not connected to the net. It uses Win2k with Service Pack 4 and no updates. I have Direct X 8.1 on it. I think and I hope that I am correct, that for my imaging purposes I do not need late issues of Direct X. These all have to do with creating images under various pixel generation algorithms. I do not need the card to fill in anything. I generate still computer generated images and I process my microphotographs only which come from a single lens reflex digital camera. Thank you for your help. If you have further suggestions please let me know. GR. |
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"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message ... * NoSpam: I need a graphics card for the ASUS A7N8X-X motherboard. ( I do images, not gaming, not TV.) I am thinking of the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 or 400 card. These are listed as compatible for the mentioned motherboard. Holy ****, this card is around 7 years old! Are you really sure you want to buy such a dinosaur, especially since driver support is very likely to end soon? Since the A7N8X-X is a nForce2-based mainboard with AGP 8x slot you can just get any AGP card that you want and use it in your mainboard. For your low demaning you should look for a Geforce FX5200 or similar. They are sold very cheaply today and probably even cheaper than still getting a GF2MX. Benjamin Let me explain my reasons for getting a dinosaur graphics card. I have put an ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra VGP card on the A7N8X-X and tried to install the proper driver for this card and my Win2000 OS. The driver comes from the AMD site and is file w2kr128513013279. This is without doubt the proper file for a Rage 128 Pro and according to my understanding for the ULTRA as well. However installing the driver failed because I get a message to the effect that this driver will not work with my hardware. I spent one day trying all kinds of variations on the theme and had no luck. I then looked on the CD for this MB and found a lot of drivers for various cards, among which were the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 and 400 cards. For this reason I figured that these cards would work. Now since you tell me that other cards will work, may be I should look into them. I feel however that to display images and work on them in Photo- shop and not doing games or movies, almost any card will do. Currently I use a fancy Mitsubishi display, but I wish to plan for an LCD. Thank you for your work and any other ideas you might have. GR. |
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I then looked on the CD for this MB and found a lot of drivers for various
cards, among which were the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 and 400 cards. For this reason I figured that these cards would work. Now since you tell me that other cards will work, may be I should look into them. I feel however that to display images and work on them in Photo- shop and not doing games or movies, almost any card will do. Currently I use a fancy Mitsubishi display, but I wish to plan for an LCD Your logic here in choosing a ancient video card based on using the the drivers supplied on a 7 year old m/b driver CD is really odd. Any modern low end AGP Nvidia or ATI based card will perform flawlessly in that m/b and cost about $40. If you wish to plan for an LCD don't go with a dinosaur card. If I was doing exclusively Photoshop, I wouldn't be looking for a Gefroce2MX200 or 400 card. Photoshop CS2 is known to have perfromance issues with older video cards. http://avondale.typepad.com/pixelupd...hop_cs2_p.html |
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"Augustus" wrote in message news:ICLsi.72648$tB5.47736@edtnps90... I then looked on the CD for this MB and found a lot of drivers for various cards, among which were the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 and 400 cards. For this reason I figured that these cards would work. Now since you tell me that other cards will work, may be I should look into them. I feel however that to display images and work on them in Photo- shop and not doing games or movies, almost any card will do. Currently I use a fancy Mitsubishi display, but I wish to plan for an LCD Your logic here in choosing a ancient video card based on using the the drivers supplied on a 7 year old m/b driver CD is really odd. Any modern low end AGP Nvidia or ATI based card will perform flawlessly in that m/b and cost about $40. If you wish to plan for an LCD don't go with a dinosaur card. If I was doing exclusively Photoshop, I wouldn't be looking for a Gefroce2MX200 or 400 card. Photoshop CS2 is known to have perfromance issues with older video cards. http://avondale.typepad.com/pixelupd...hop_cs2_p.html Hello, I have looked at the above link. I am afraid for people who need to use camera raw files CS2 is the only choice. The program is terribly bloated. Many agree with that statement.. Now since you know what I need to do on my PC and know the mother- board and the OS, what graphics card would you propose that allows me to use my current monitor, Mitshubishi Diamond Pro and will later allow connection to an LCD panel? Again I do no gaming, no movies, no TV. Strictly images up to 5000 by 5000 pixels. GR. |
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* NoSpam:
Let me explain my reasons for getting a dinosaur graphics card. I have put an ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra VGP card on the A7N8X-X and tried to install the proper driver for this card and my Win2000 OS. The driver comes from the AMD site and is file w2kr128513013279. This is without doubt the proper file for a Rage 128 Pro and according to my understanding for the ULTRA as well. However installing the driver failed because I get a message to the effect that this driver will not work with my hardware. I spent one day trying all kinds of variations on the theme and had no luck. There were dozens of versions of the ancient Rage128 card available - around a decade ago! This card is from the early Pentium2 aera, you definitely don't want that on a mobo like yours any more! Besides that the Rage drivers were just plain crap. Only after ATI came out with the Radeon line of gfx cards which uses unified drivers the driver quality got much better. BTW: the Rage128 series was one of the few gfx card series that contained cards that were incorrectly coded for AGP4x but only supported 3.3v signalling voltage, resulting in killing AGP4x/8x mobos that don't have a protection circuit! I really wonder why you want to use a 1997/1998 aera card in a ~1993 aera mainboard. I then looked on the CD for this MB and found a lot of drivers for various cards, among which were the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200 and 400 cards. For this reason I figured that these cards would work. Sorry, but that's silly. These drivers were already outdated when your mobo was new, and besides that they do support other Nvidia cards as well (Nvidia like ATI now uses unified drivers for all their cards, so the driver on your CD will probably support other Nvidia cards, too). Since the drivers are very old they might have bugs and issues with somewhat newer applications as well. That's why there are driver updates. Now since you tell me that other cards will work, may be I should look into them. I feel however that to display images and work on them in Photo- shop and not doing games or movies, almost any card will do. Currently I use a fancy Mitsubishi display, but I wish to plan for an LCD. Just more reasons to go for a somewhat current card. Benjamin |
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