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Die, Intel Die
(AP) -- Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Intel Corp.'s biggest rival in
the market for microprocessors that act as the brains of personal computers, unveiled plans for new products it said would deliver improved performance and efficiency. Executives disclosed details of a mobile-PC chip design that boosts power efficiency by allowing parts of the processor to turn on and off as needed. The resulting product, part of AMD's Turion family, will offer two processors on a single chip and a new mechanism for making both of them work in concert for big jobs or shutting one down when a PC is carrying out less demanding chores, Phil Hester, AMD's chief technology officer, told reporters and analysts gathered Thursday at the company's headquarters. The company also revealed a design aimed at computer gamers that will allow two multi-core chips to run in a single PC. With each core in essence acting as its own processor, the product, code-named 4X4, will have the capability to deliver a total of four computing engines. That will make machines based on the 4X4 design better at tackling demanding tasks often needed by PCs running certain types of programs, such as games and video editing applications, Hester said. AMD, once little more than an imitator of the designs of Intel, has over the past three years emerged with new products that have helped it steal market share from its larger rival. Intel has vowed to close the performance gap and retake lost share with three new chips that will become available in the second half of the year. Analysts said the products discussed Thursday show that AMD continues to mount a challenge to Intel, the world's biggest chip maker. ''They're not presenting Intel with a stationary target,'' said Roger Kay, an analyst with Endpoint Technologies Associates. ''It continues to be a horse race.'' AMD also said it planned to deliver processors with four computing engines on a single chip in mid-2007 for servers and desktop computers, along with technical underpinnings that will allow them to work together more efficiently. Shares of AMD closed at $31.39, up 50 cents, in Thursday trading on the New York Stock Exchange. By DAN GOODIN AP Technology Writer |
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Die, Intel Die
Not sure what the fanboy stuff is all about. I was about to buy an AMD
x4800 AM2 system but now I may go with intel core 2- both are very good chips but the 2.6 core2 I was looking at is much less than AMDs x4800. Competition is GOOD! "Rich" wrote in message ... (AP) -- Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Intel Corp.'s biggest rival in the market for microprocessors that act as the brains of personal computers, unveiled plans for new products it said would deliver improved performance and efficiency. Executives disclosed details of a mobile-PC chip design that boosts power efficiency by allowing parts of the processor to turn on and off as needed. The resulting product, part of AMD's Turion family, will offer two processors on a single chip and a new mechanism for making both of them work in concert for big jobs or shutting one down when a PC is carrying out less demanding chores, Phil Hester, AMD's chief technology officer, told reporters and analysts gathered Thursday at the company's headquarters. The company also revealed a design aimed at computer gamers that will allow two multi-core chips to run in a single PC. With each core in essence acting as its own processor, the product, code-named 4X4, will have the capability to deliver a total of four computing engines. That will make machines based on the 4X4 design better at tackling demanding tasks often needed by PCs running certain types of programs, such as games and video editing applications, Hester said. AMD, once little more than an imitator of the designs of Intel, has over the past three years emerged with new products that have helped it steal market share from its larger rival. Intel has vowed to close the performance gap and retake lost share with three new chips that will become available in the second half of the year. Analysts said the products discussed Thursday show that AMD continues to mount a challenge to Intel, the world's biggest chip maker. ''They're not presenting Intel with a stationary target,'' said Roger Kay, an analyst with Endpoint Technologies Associates. ''It continues to be a horse race.'' AMD also said it planned to deliver processors with four computing engines on a single chip in mid-2007 for servers and desktop computers, along with technical underpinnings that will allow them to work together more efficiently. Shares of AMD closed at $31.39, up 50 cents, in Thursday trading on the New York Stock Exchange. By DAN GOODIN AP Technology Writer |
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Die, Intel Die
On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:31:21 -0700, Boe wrote:
I was about to buy an AMD x4800 AM2 system but now I may go with intel core 2- both are very good chips but the 2.6 core2 I was looking at is much less than AMDs x4800. Competition is GOOD! I'd like to know where you found one for sale since they haven't been released quite yet. The only pricing I can find for one actaully available is for a 2.16GHz model and it's $475. Got a link to a real price where they are actually selling them? Can't be a lot of difference since the 4800 X2 is only $632. I think I'll wait for more info on the core 2. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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Die, Intel Die
On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:02:00 -0400, Rich wrote:
(AP) -- Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Intel Corp.'s biggest rival in the market for microprocessors that act as the brains of personal computers, unveiled plans for new products it said would deliver improved performance and efficiency. tomshardware.com has a intel/amd cpu comparison. The new intel chip is not as fast as I expected from all the hype. It'll edge the AMD, but so what ? Sort of like the ATI Nvidia GPU wars, except AMD seems to have the better technical designs regardless of how much cache intel wants to cram into a bad cpu. |
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I only have their manufacturer price - hopefully they will be less when they
are available for sale. Listed at $530 for the 2.6 GHz model. "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:G62hg.5211$9f2.1304@trnddc04... On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:31:21 -0700, Boe wrote: I was about to buy an AMD x4800 AM2 system but now I may go with intel core 2- both are very good chips but the 2.6 core2 I was looking at is much less than AMDs x4800. Competition is GOOD! I'd like to know where you found one for sale since they haven't been released quite yet. The only pricing I can find for one actaully available is for a 2.16GHz model and it's $475. Got a link to a real price where they are actually selling them? Can't be a lot of difference since the 4800 X2 is only $632. I think I'll wait for more info on the core 2. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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I think the hype is that Intel finally is now on par with AMD again. AMD
had been the winner for a very long time. I don't think the hype from real sources is to point out that Intel is better than AMD or vice versa, I think it is to say that they are similar in power requirements and performance which is GREAT because now their is incentive to go improve and reduce prices! wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:02:00 -0400, Rich wrote: (AP) -- Advanced Micro Devices Inc., Intel Corp.'s biggest rival in the market for microprocessors that act as the brains of personal computers, unveiled plans for new products it said would deliver improved performance and efficiency. tomshardware.com has a intel/amd cpu comparison. The new intel chip is not as fast as I expected from all the hype. It'll edge the AMD, but so what ? Sort of like the ATI Nvidia GPU wars, except AMD seems to have the better technical designs regardless of how much cache intel wants to cram into a bad cpu. |
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Die, Intel Die
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:31:17 -0700, Boe wrote:
I only have their manufacturer price - hopefully they will be less when they are available for sale. Listed at $530 for the 2.6 GHz model. "Wes Newell" wrote in message news:G62hg.5211$9f2.1304@trnddc04... On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:31:21 -0700, Boe wrote: I was about to buy an AMD x4800 AM2 system but now I may go with intel core 2- both are very good chips but the 2.6 core2 I was looking at is much less than AMDs x4800. Competition is GOOD! I'd like to know where you found one for sale since they haven't been released quite yet. The only pricing I can find for one actaully available is for a 2.16GHz model and it's $475. Got a link to a real price where they are actually selling them? Can't be a lot of difference since the 4800 X2 is only $632. I think I'll wait for more info on the core 2. I only have their manufacturer price - hopefully they will be less when they are available for sale. Listed at $530 for the 2.6 GHz model. From what I read, they won't be released til July 24. In that time frame anything can happen but I don't think you'll see it cheaper than an X2 4800+. Speaking of which, if money is a concern, just buy a slower part for half the price and raise the clockspeed up to match that of a 4800+ or more. -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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Die, Intel Die
now now - dont rule out intel too soon and i personally dont believe it to be a "BAD CPU" Intel processors are DIRT cheap (or at least they are inthe UK at the minute - due to several factors including the weak $$) take a look at this bench - the Core cpu beats the amd's to a pulp with only a little oc'ing - and to be fair this is intels first attempt at an AMD style cpu (more bang for your watt)... http://tinyurl.com/r4qmf watch your X2 struggle with the core cpu - and its got a much lower fsb etc. also they appear to run cooler than amd - yep i never thought id hear that either but apparently so... The cache is important and i agree that intel only has a slight edge -but theres one reason for that - AMD use an on-dye memory controller meaning its got virtually no latency- where intel specs go through the mobo to a specific controller and then onto the ram, i think this is why every AMD ive ever used lags when you have more than 2 applications open - its like driving on sand - AMD went for "Hypertransport" great - but the CPU has to get it there to transport it, Intel have "HyperThreading" its like going over the sand in a 4x4 and it just keeps going and going. so even though its slower fsb 'lets it down' it can still keep pace as its bashing the work units through much faster than the amd chips. -- Matt_2k34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Matt_2k34's Profile: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/member.php?u=2100 View this thread: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=27497 |
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"Heinrich" wrote in message ... I think it is just great to have these two giants in CPU development/produktion. I've had one Intel CPU once (386sx 16MHz) more than ten years ago. I just havent had the guts to buy myself poor on Intels cpu's. Just picked the best cpu for the amount of money I had at the moment. That has resulted in one Cyrix 6x86 cpu and six AMD cpu's. I waited quite a while upgrading to AMD64 from my Barton system. I'm not a AMD fanboy, but for just few weeks ago the prizes for good AMD cpu's was pretty high, even compared to Intels. If Intel made chips cheaper I wouldnt think twice to buy Intel, if it was a value shot against other manufactors... Valueman... not fanboy haha! :-) "Matt_2k34" wrote in message ... now now - dont rule out intel too soon and i personally dont believe it to be a "BAD CPU" Intel processors are DIRT cheap (or at least they are inthe UK at the minute - due to several factors including the weak $$) take a look at this bench - the Core cpu beats the amd's to a pulp with only a little oc'ing - and to be fair this is intels first attempt at an AMD style cpu (more bang for your watt)... http://tinyurl.com/r4qmf watch your X2 struggle with the core cpu - and its got a much lower fsb etc. also they appear to run cooler than amd - yep i never thought id hear that either but apparently so... The cache is important and i agree that intel only has a slight edge -but theres one reason for that - AMD use an on-dye memory controller meaning its got virtually no latency- where intel specs go through the mobo to a specific controller and then onto the ram, i think this is why every AMD ive ever used lags when you have more than 2 applications open - its like driving on sand - AMD went for "Hypertransport" great - but the CPU has to get it there to transport it, Intel have "HyperThreading" its like going over the sand in a 4x4 and it just keeps going and going. so even though its slower fsb 'lets it down' it can still keep pace as its bashing the work units through much faster than the amd chips. -- Matt_2k34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Matt_2k34's Profile: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/member.php?u=2100 View this thread: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=27497 ` Intel does not make an "AMD Style" CPU. Intel does not make a true Dual core chip with both cores able to communicate directly. Intel does not have an on-die memory controller. Intel does not have Direct Connect Architecture. Intel does not have Hypertransport Bus. Intel Processors are still based on the 9 year old Pentium 4 architecture. Intel processors still use a Northbridge Chipset for Memory I/O. Intel simply puts a new sticker on the case ("ViiV") and makes no internal changes and tries to sell it as a new technology. In real world tests, the Conroe was able beat AMD by about only 9%, not the 40% Intel claimed earlier. While I value the competition, and think that Intel is getting closer to making a worthy chip, Intel does not make anything like the AMD64 or the AMD64 X2 processor. Bobby |
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Die, Intel Die
Just a note - the core cpu oc'd to 2.6ghz beat the (STOCK) 'main' AMD processors - and even beat the intel EE and 900 series.. good in my book for saying it have only two thirds the amount of pins/pads as the AMD and a much slower FSB - only beaten on one thing but i neglect to remember what it was... Your right, intel doesnt have hyper transport OR onboard RAM controller. This does give a big bonus in latency to the AMD chips - but intel are slowly but surely increasing the FSB - and Intel has something AMD doesnt - HyperThreading- Much more stable and quicker than any AMD ive ever used (used a 939 3000+), very sluggish even on what id consider a fast setup. Intel are cutting prices of Single core chips by up to 60% and dual core by 15%, on the 24th of July My Bday - brill :P And AMD will cut prices also but they havent said how much - just it wont be nearly that much... I admit AMD's are 'Better' in certain aspects- such as gaming, but im very happy with what i paid for my system, and as far as im concerned i would never buy another AMD system so long the intel chips are as stable as this one. Also ViiV is new 'technology' It changes the way teh cores interact with the caches and also the mobo itself - better performance less wasted energy - id say that was pretty good from intel's camp. Also you might wanna be awares of the new xeon processor coming out - that was very powerful - very fast and stable aparently Would love to see what a dual core AMD would do against that one, and then a dual core ver of it -- Matt_2k34 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Matt_2k34's Profile: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/member.php?u=2100 View this thread: http://www.64bit-world.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=27497 |
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