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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
Hello,
I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. |
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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote:
Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. |
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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the
next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. |
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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote:
I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Where you physically mount the spare USB ports from the headers on the board is up to you. If you want them in the rear, get a 4 port slot card like the one below and put them there. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...72620?n=172282 -- Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html Usenet alt.video.ptv.mythtv My server http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php HD Tivo S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm |
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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:09:23 -0700, Boe wrote:
Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. The 939 pin A64s do support 4G, I have 4G on my MSI K8N Neo4/X2 4400+ system. So if you don't think you'll ever need 8G you can feel safe about buying a current generation motherboard. The Nforce4 has been the dominant chipset for the A64s which is why you see a lot of SLI boards. I assume you are a Windoze user with no interest in Linux. If you do want to be able to run Linux you should stay away from ATI and stick with Nvidia. ATI does support Linux more or less but they don't do nearly as good a job of it as Nvidia. |
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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
Yeah - I'm one of those crazy people using Windows since I want to run just
about every program and not have to LS or grep for stuff or go into admin mode to make something work. I do have an interest in Linux, FreeBFD, and OSX since MS would never put new features into their products unless they had a good reference point. I think they've gone to far with the OSX appearance though - I'd buy a f$@!!ng Mac if I really prefered the interface. Seriously though I use my PC for gaming as much as for work and since I like FEAR so much I'm leaning towards ATI. I'm not a fanboy of either so if nVidia comes out with something that doubles the speed of the 7900 in the next month I'd jump to nVidia in a heartbeat - particularly if it could do it and quadruple the speed of the 7900 if I went SLI. By the time the new 600 from ATI comes out I would expect nVidia to have something good as well and after the tests are in I'll get something. Until them I'll just use my crappy spare PCIE 7800. I hate to buy a 1900 for $500 only to want to replace it 5 months later. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:09:23 -0700, Boe wrote: Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. The 939 pin A64s do support 4G, I have 4G on my MSI K8N Neo4/X2 4400+ system. So if you don't think you'll ever need 8G you can feel safe about buying a current generation motherboard. The Nforce4 has been the dominant chipset for the A64s which is why you see a lot of SLI boards. I assume you are a Windoze user with no interest in Linux. If you do want to be able to run Linux you should stay away from ATI and stick with Nvidia. ATI does support Linux more or less but they don't do nearly as good a job of it as Nvidia. |
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Any motherboards supporting x2, crossfire and 8 rear usb ports?
On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:16:09 -0700, Boe wrote:
Yeah - I'm one of those crazy people using Windows since I want to run just about every program and not have to LS or grep for stuff or go into admin mode to make something work. I do have an interest in Linux, FreeBFD, and OSX since MS would never put new features into their products unless they had a good reference point. I think they've gone to far with the OSX appearance though - I'd buy a f$@!!ng Mac if I really prefered the interface. Seriously though I use my PC for gaming as much as for work and since I like FEAR so much I'm leaning towards ATI. I'm not a fanboy of either so if nVidia comes out with something that doubles the speed of the 7900 in the next month I'd jump to nVidia in a heartbeat - particularly if it could do it and quadruple the speed of the 7900 if I went SLI. By the time the new 600 from ATI comes out I would expect nVidia to have something good as well and after the tests are in I'll get something. Until them I'll just use my crappy spare PCIE 7800. I hate to buy a 1900 for $500 only to want to replace it 5 months later. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:09:23 -0700, Boe wrote: Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. The 939 pin A64s do support 4G, I have 4G on my MSI K8N Neo4/X2 4400+ system. So if you don't think you'll ever need 8G you can feel safe about buying a current generation motherboard. The Nforce4 has been the dominant chipset for the A64s which is why you see a lot of SLI boards. I assume you are a Windoze user with no interest in Linux. If you do want to be able to run Linux you should stay away from ATI and stick with Nvidia. ATI does support Linux more or less but they don't do nearly as good a job of it as Nvidia. Would you enlighten me as to what the real advantages are to having the highest performance graphics cards are? The reviews always talk about frame rates but I assume that's an irrelevant measure because even cheap graphics cards can generate frames faster than the human eye can handle. Movies run at 24FPS and NTSC TV is 30FPS and we don't see any flicker in either so I don't see how generating 130FPS would help. Do games generate multiple scenarios at once and then pick a particular series for frames based on input from the user? Do they increase the quality of their rendering based on the capabilities of the card? Obviously the game programmers aren't going to write games that require a pair of $500 cards to run adequately, they have to aim their games at the hardware that most consumers have which are older machines that weren't even state of the art when they were new. However they must be doing something to keep Nvidia and ATI happy because there is a real market for SLI and Crossfire boards. So what is it in these cards that the games take advantage of? |
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I take it you use your PC for work and not gaming so it isn't of much
advantage for you to have a top of the line card. In a case where someone doesn't enjoy First Person Shooters or games of that sort, there isn't any reason to waste gobs of cash for gaming cards. Most middle of the road cards will do 2d rendering as fast as the most expensive 3d card. They'll also play movies back just fine. If you enjoy playing 3d games such as FEAR, Quake4 or the latest TombRaider (I'll admit I didn't think much of q4 and don't play TombRaider but enjoy many other 3d games) you'll benefit from those expensive cards. The more advanced cards will allow you to turn on the bells and whistles of the game which make the graphics far more realistic - AF, AA, Soft Shadows etc. These enhance the visual image which in turn makes the games far more enjoyable for me. If I turn up the AA, AF or turn on softshadows, the frame rate drops to about 10FPS which makes the game very choppy and unpleasant. I'm sure the games coming out in the next year will be even more demanding than FEAR which so far only plays well on the 1900 and you can't crank up the resolution too much. I have a 30" screen which has a very high native resolution. Unlike CRTs computer monitors which seem to display just about every resolution well, LCDs at this point still have native resolutions which are their best looking image. I don't think even crossfired ATI 1900 cards could display FEAR at 24FPS in my screens native resolution. The next verison might however. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:16:09 -0700, Boe wrote: Yeah - I'm one of those crazy people using Windows since I want to run just about every program and not have to LS or grep for stuff or go into admin mode to make something work. I do have an interest in Linux, FreeBFD, and OSX since MS would never put new features into their products unless they had a good reference point. I think they've gone to far with the OSX appearance though - I'd buy a f$@!!ng Mac if I really prefered the interface. Seriously though I use my PC for gaming as much as for work and since I like FEAR so much I'm leaning towards ATI. I'm not a fanboy of either so if nVidia comes out with something that doubles the speed of the 7900 in the next month I'd jump to nVidia in a heartbeat - particularly if it could do it and quadruple the speed of the 7900 if I went SLI. By the time the new 600 from ATI comes out I would expect nVidia to have something good as well and after the tests are in I'll get something. Until them I'll just use my crappy spare PCIE 7800. I hate to buy a 1900 for $500 only to want to replace it 5 months later. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:09:23 -0700, Boe wrote: Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. The 939 pin A64s do support 4G, I have 4G on my MSI K8N Neo4/X2 4400+ system. So if you don't think you'll ever need 8G you can feel safe about buying a current generation motherboard. The Nforce4 has been the dominant chipset for the A64s which is why you see a lot of SLI boards. I assume you are a Windoze user with no interest in Linux. If you do want to be able to run Linux you should stay away from ATI and stick with Nvidia. ATI does support Linux more or less but they don't do nearly as good a job of it as Nvidia. Would you enlighten me as to what the real advantages are to having the highest performance graphics cards are? The reviews always talk about frame rates but I assume that's an irrelevant measure because even cheap graphics cards can generate frames faster than the human eye can handle. Movies run at 24FPS and NTSC TV is 30FPS and we don't see any flicker in either so I don't see how generating 130FPS would help. Do games generate multiple scenarios at once and then pick a particular series for frames based on input from the user? Do they increase the quality of their rendering based on the capabilities of the card? Obviously the game programmers aren't going to write games that require a pair of $500 cards to run adequately, they have to aim their games at the hardware that most consumers have which are older machines that weren't even state of the art when they were new. However they must be doing something to keep Nvidia and ATI happy because there is a real market for SLI and Crossfire boards. So what is it in these cards that the games take advantage of? |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 14:54:02 -0700, Boe wrote:
I take it you use your PC for work and not gaming so it isn't of much advantage for you to have a top of the line card. In a case where someone doesn't enjoy First Person Shooters or games of that sort, there isn't any reason to waste gobs of cash for gaming cards. Most middle of the road cards will do 2d rendering as fast as the most expensive 3d card. They'll also play movies back just fine. If you enjoy playing 3d games such as FEAR, Quake4 or the latest TombRaider (I'll admit I didn't think much of q4 and don't play TombRaider but enjoy many other 3d games) you'll benefit from those expensive cards. The more advanced cards will allow you to turn on the bells and whistles of the game which make the graphics far more realistic - AF, AA, Soft Shadows etc. These enhance the visual image which in turn makes the games far more enjoyable for me. If I turn up the AA, AF or turn on softshadows, the frame rate drops to about 10FPS which makes the game very choppy and unpleasant. I'm sure the games coming out in the next year will be even more demanding than FEAR which so far only plays well on the 1900 and you can't crank up the resolution too much. I have a 30" screen which has a very high native resolution. Unlike CRTs computer monitors which seem to display just about every resolution well, LCDs at this point still have native resolutions which are their best looking image. I don't think even crossfired ATI 1900 cards could display FEAR at 24FPS in my screens native resolution. The next verison might however. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:16:09 -0700, Boe wrote: Yeah - I'm one of those crazy people using Windows since I want to run just about every program and not have to LS or grep for stuff or go into admin mode to make something work. I do have an interest in Linux, FreeBFD, and OSX since MS would never put new features into their products unless they had a good reference point. I think they've gone to far with the OSX appearance though - I'd buy a f$@!!ng Mac if I really prefered the interface. Seriously though I use my PC for gaming as much as for work and since I like FEAR so much I'm leaning towards ATI. I'm not a fanboy of either so if nVidia comes out with something that doubles the speed of the 7900 in the next month I'd jump to nVidia in a heartbeat - particularly if it could do it and quadruple the speed of the 7900 if I went SLI. By the time the new 600 from ATI comes out I would expect nVidia to have something good as well and after the tests are in I'll get something. Until them I'll just use my crappy spare PCIE 7800. I hate to buy a 1900 for $500 only to want to replace it 5 months later. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:09:23 -0700, Boe wrote: Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. The 939 pin A64s do support 4G, I have 4G on my MSI K8N Neo4/X2 4400+ system. So if you don't think you'll ever need 8G you can feel safe about buying a current generation motherboard. The Nforce4 has been the dominant chipset for the A64s which is why you see a lot of SLI boards. I assume you are a Windoze user with no interest in Linux. If you do want to be able to run Linux you should stay away from ATI and stick with Nvidia. ATI does support Linux more or less but they don't do nearly as good a job of it as Nvidia. Would you enlighten me as to what the real advantages are to having the highest performance graphics cards are? The reviews always talk about frame rates but I assume that's an irrelevant measure because even cheap graphics cards can generate frames faster than the human eye can handle. Movies run at 24FPS and NTSC TV is 30FPS and we don't see any flicker in either so I don't see how generating 130FPS would help. Do games generate multiple scenarios at once and then pick a particular series for frames based on input from the user? Do they increase the quality of their rendering based on the capabilities of the card? Obviously the game programmers aren't going to write games that require a pair of $500 cards to run adequately, they have to aim their games at the hardware that most consumers have which are older machines that weren't even state of the art when they were new. However they must be doing something to keep Nvidia and ATI happy because there is a real market for SLI and Crossfire boards. So what is it in these cards that the games take advantage of? Thanks for the explanation. Your right I don't play games, the last time I played any was in the early 70s and then it was only games I wrote myself. I was just curious about the technical details which to me are much more interesting then then the games themselves. I'm surprised that it's possible to overwhelm todays cards given the incredible amount of processing power that even low end cards have. It's great news for Nvidia and ATI that the game writers keep managing to find ways to consume even more power. BTW which LCD are you using? I was thinking of getting a 23" wide screen monitor (30" is unusable for coding, I can see how it would be great for games). The only big screen LCDs that I see in the stores anymore are Apples, but I've read that you can't adjust Apple LCDs unless you are running OSX. |
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I'm using the dell 30". I heard Mac was upping the quality of their 30"
because of the Dell competition. The Dell is very nice - I bought it unseen because of a screwup I got it for $1330 with tax and shipping (should have bought several ). It is GREAT for gaming - SO GLAD I bought it. But it is a beast. I have an ATI x850 and I can't even run it in 2d mode in native resolution. I run it at 1280 x 800 but native is double that I believe. I'll have to build a new PC just to run it native since my MB is AGP. Playing on a 30" screen can make some of the games seem SO much more "immersive" I now do newbie gamer stuff like lean to the left or right again during gameplay. I realize gaming isn't for everyone but I thoroughly enjoy it. I usually play for about 2 - 3 hours almost every week. I thoroughly enjoy Call of Duty, Wolfenstein, HALO as well although the graphics are not NEARLY as advanced as FEAR - I'd get them again if they remade them with the latest engine though. FEAR is extremely 3 dimensional including lighting effects, the the surface of cement, tiled floors, etc. I would imagine in 2-3 years, they'll probably actually double the "realism" of the engines requiring a significant improvement in card technology. I would say that the improvment in FEAR over most other games(that I've seen) is nearly as significant as the jump made by quake to OpenGL quake (old technology I know but the last major jump in my opinion in 3d rendering). HalfLife2 was a pretty big leap as well but I just didn't enjoy the game so I forgot about it til just now. I would see Lucas make a 3rd Jedi game using the advanced engine but I heard they are not making any more Jedi games for now. I tried COD2 but the graphics were still quite primitive compared to other games I've seen. If you've seen a pixar animation they are way ahead of the gaming engines detail but they aren't realtime renderings. They use very impressive cluster technology to create some fantastic animation but I would imagine within 10 years we should see that level of realism/detail in games that you control the action. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 14:54:02 -0700, Boe wrote: I take it you use your PC for work and not gaming so it isn't of much advantage for you to have a top of the line card. In a case where someone doesn't enjoy First Person Shooters or games of that sort, there isn't any reason to waste gobs of cash for gaming cards. Most middle of the road cards will do 2d rendering as fast as the most expensive 3d card. They'll also play movies back just fine. If you enjoy playing 3d games such as FEAR, Quake4 or the latest TombRaider (I'll admit I didn't think much of q4 and don't play TombRaider but enjoy many other 3d games) you'll benefit from those expensive cards. The more advanced cards will allow you to turn on the bells and whistles of the game which make the graphics far more realistic - AF, AA, Soft Shadows etc. These enhance the visual image which in turn makes the games far more enjoyable for me. If I turn up the AA, AF or turn on softshadows, the frame rate drops to about 10FPS which makes the game very choppy and unpleasant. I'm sure the games coming out in the next year will be even more demanding than FEAR which so far only plays well on the 1900 and you can't crank up the resolution too much. I have a 30" screen which has a very high native resolution. Unlike CRTs computer monitors which seem to display just about every resolution well, LCDs at this point still have native resolutions which are their best looking image. I don't think even crossfired ATI 1900 cards could display FEAR at 24FPS in my screens native resolution. The next verison might however. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 12:16:09 -0700, Boe wrote: Yeah - I'm one of those crazy people using Windows since I want to run just about every program and not have to LS or grep for stuff or go into admin mode to make something work. I do have an interest in Linux, FreeBFD, and OSX since MS would never put new features into their products unless they had a good reference point. I think they've gone to far with the OSX appearance though - I'd buy a f$@!!ng Mac if I really prefered the interface. Seriously though I use my PC for gaming as much as for work and since I like FEAR so much I'm leaning towards ATI. I'm not a fanboy of either so if nVidia comes out with something that doubles the speed of the 7900 in the next month I'd jump to nVidia in a heartbeat - particularly if it could do it and quadruple the speed of the 7900 if I went SLI. By the time the new 600 from ATI comes out I would expect nVidia to have something good as well and after the tests are in I'll get something. Until them I'll just use my crappy spare PCIE 7800. I hate to buy a 1900 for $500 only to want to replace it 5 months later. "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:09:23 -0700, Boe wrote: Thanks - I did not know that. It does make me think I should be sure the next system will support 4gb although I'll probably only get it with 2gb to begin with. I'll check if the system I plan on getting will support 4 GB - I would imagine by the time I'm ready to go to 8GB, it will be at least 2 years from now and it will give me a good excuse to build a new system "General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message news On Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:22 -0700, Boe wrote: Hello, I'm thinking about building a new system in about 1 month. I'd like a good motherboard that can support x2 939, crossfire, has 8 rear usb ports and preferably has 2 gigabit nics on board. I see many that have 4 front and 4 rear usb but I'd like one with 8 usb rear and the only systems I've seen so far with that are SLI not crossfire boards. Thanks I was going to get AM2 but since there is no real performance gain, and I can get the memory for the 939 at nearly half the price, I'm hoping when the AM2 is realeased, the new socket and the 5000 might drop the price for the 939 4800. The big advantage for AM2 won't be performance, it will be the ability to support more than 4G of RAM. I don't think you'll ever see unbuffered DDR DIMMs bigger than 1G, but there is at least one 2G DDR2 DIMM already on the market. The 939 pin A64s do support 4G, I have 4G on my MSI K8N Neo4/X2 4400+ system. So if you don't think you'll ever need 8G you can feel safe about buying a current generation motherboard. The Nforce4 has been the dominant chipset for the A64s which is why you see a lot of SLI boards. I assume you are a Windoze user with no interest in Linux. If you do want to be able to run Linux you should stay away from ATI and stick with Nvidia. ATI does support Linux more or less but they don't do nearly as good a job of it as Nvidia. Would you enlighten me as to what the real advantages are to having the highest performance graphics cards are? The reviews always talk about frame rates but I assume that's an irrelevant measure because even cheap graphics cards can generate frames faster than the human eye can handle. Movies run at 24FPS and NTSC TV is 30FPS and we don't see any flicker in either so I don't see how generating 130FPS would help. Do games generate multiple scenarios at once and then pick a particular series for frames based on input from the user? Do they increase the quality of their rendering based on the capabilities of the card? Obviously the game programmers aren't going to write games that require a pair of $500 cards to run adequately, they have to aim their games at the hardware that most consumers have which are older machines that weren't even state of the art when they were new. However they must be doing something to keep Nvidia and ATI happy because there is a real market for SLI and Crossfire boards. So what is it in these cards that the games take advantage of? Thanks for the explanation. Your right I don't play games, the last time I played any was in the early 70s and then it was only games I wrote myself. I was just curious about the technical details which to me are much more interesting then then the games themselves. I'm surprised that it's possible to overwhelm todays cards given the incredible amount of processing power that even low end cards have. It's great news for Nvidia and ATI that the game writers keep managing to find ways to consume even more power. BTW which LCD are you using? I was thinking of getting a 23" wide screen monitor (30" is unusable for coding, I can see how it would be great for games). The only big screen LCDs that I see in the stores anymore are Apples, but I've read that you can't adjust Apple LCDs unless you are running OSX. |
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