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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
Jon D jon nomail.com wrote:
Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the original thread In my opinion, cross-posting to (alt.engineering.electrical) made this thread off topic to begin with. but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned that I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early appearance before I put data on the drive. A hard drive can fail at any time without warning. The solution is to keep copies of your data, either in real-time or by periodic/regular backups. Path: newssvr27.news.prodigy.net!newsdbm04.news.prodigy. com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon 06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!nx02.iad01.newshos ting.com!newshosting.com!post01.iad01!news.shared-secrets.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,alt.comp.hardware ,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical Subject: Utility to burn in new hard drive? From: Jon D jon nomail.com References: Xns980DE70E160AC628D1 127.0.0.1 pKCdnXe6S5vW2FTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d comcast.com ONdyg.6549$Oh1.3053 news01.roc.ny m9ilc256obpuhdsdmng780kkprfeikl3sh 4ax.com yyofYpCHTEzEFwWZ jasper.org.uk emspc2l4nihuuputenfvu681bhq18tf44n 4ax.com ut5qc219dfnsbt0dbjuqtu06k4dsh4u5gh 4ax.com Xns9814D979ACE4A74C1H4 127.0.0.1 mo98d29cpgihaa0di8olmlk82vnqjmttfq 4ax.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:53:29 +0100 Message-ID: Xns9819D4854D57217E53A 127.0.0.1 User-Agent: Xnews/2005.10.18 Lines: 63 Organization: Unknown X-Complaints-To: abuse shared-secrets.com Xref: prodigy.net comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage:375567 alt.comp.hardwa317197 alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:473073 alt.engineering.electrical:180691 |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
Folkert Rienstra wrote:
"Jon D" wrote in message On 05 Aug 2006, Phat wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:22:43 +0100, Joe S Gave us: On 30 Jul 2006, wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:02:02 GMT, Phat Bytestard wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:33:59 +0100, Mike Tomlinson Gave us: In article , Phat Bytestard writes Flawed, ****ed up logic. They have already been thoroughly tested as long as one sticks with a reputable manufacturer. They may have been (though I have my doubts), but that doesn't take account of any damage that may have occurred while the drive makes its way from China, through the channel to the end-user. That's total bull**** due to the specs of the drive. When not under power, they typically can handle 250 plus G shocks, and the way they are packaged and shipped, no such shock is even possible to impart on a drive without damaging the packaging. Hence, if the packaging is in proper order, the drive inside is as well. They can even typically survive 60G shocks when in operation. Try again. In fact, **** that... YOU LOSE! Hands down! Actually at least one drive manufacturer cites handling, including shipping, as the major causes of premature drive failure. Wish I remembered which one but that's not even a guarantee their webpage or docs haven't changed in the interim. ISTR Hitachi specified and illustrated the sort of packaging they considered suitable for drives being sent back as RMAs. Was it Hitachi? A package spec to guide a customer on boxing up his return has absolutely NOTHING to do with the package a drive is shipped from a maker to the US shores in. Totally unrelated to this thread. Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the original thread but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned that I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early appearance before I put data on the drive. I recall receiving a hard drive from a supposedly reputable supplier in the UK which was just wrapped several times in bubble wrap and then put into an ordinary envelope. And this was bad exactly why? (That's assuming it was still in it's antistatic bag) I am amazed i didn't get premature failure. And why is that? Retail drives come in plastic containers (clamshells) or in boxes with only top and bottom place holders. The protection is in that they allow enough flexing to fully absorb or diminish any shock forces. A loosely wrapped OEM drive gets exactly that if the drive can move sufficiently within the layers of bubble wrap. If this were to be a problem many drives would be returned and that sup- plier would very quickly stop sending them this way if that were the case. OTOH if you see what Hitachi (I think it was) insist on being used for RMAs then you can see how the last-leg delivery from retailer to consumer might add to the early failures. Hitachi sends them back in a box with only two softplastic placeholders. My Seagate RMA's came back in a fully padded box, called a SeaShell. Whoever was responsible for that name should be publicly flogged and then stoned to dead. |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
In article ews.net,
Folkert Rienstra writes And this was bad exactly why? (That's assuming it was still in it's antistatic bag) In the UK, to our beloved Royal Mail, a parcel marked "Fragile" means "Break it gently". Come on. Wrapping a drive in a bit of bubblewrap and sticking it in an envelope is in no way an acceptable means of shipping it through the post. Retail drives come in plastic containers (clamshells) or in boxes with only top and bottom place holders. The protection is in that they allow enough flexing to fully absorb or diminish any shock forces. I've seen bulk packs (drives at the local distie.) The individual drives - in clamshells - are packed in strong, double-layer cardboard boxes with shock absorption: thick polyurethane foam with slots cut in it to accept each drive. That distie also ships the individual drives (still in the clamshell) properly - in boxes with 3 inches of protective foam surrounding the drive. (note: alt.engineering.electrical removed) -- (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination. |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:44:03 +0200, "Folkert Rienstra"
wrote: I recall receiving a hard drive from a supposedly reputable supplier in the UK which was just wrapped several times in bubble wrap and then put into an ordinary envelope. And this was bad exactly why? (That's assuming it was still in it's antistatic bag) For one, had the drive been damaged or defective, the purchaser does not have suitable packaging to return ship it. One should not have to spend time or money to repack a product in a way other than it was sent to avoid possible warranty rejection. I am amazed i didn't get premature failure. And why is that? Retail drives come in plastic containers (clamshells) or in boxes with only top and bottom place holders. The protection is in that they allow enough flexing to fully absorb or diminish any shock forces. No, they do not fully absorb, somewhat diminish would be more appropriate. They are obviously suitable for general handling, but a lot can happen to a box between manufacturer and final delivery. Dropping it for example, though hopefully today's FDB bearing drives are more shock resistant than the old BB versions. A loosely wrapped OEM drive gets exactly that if the drive can move sufficiently within the layers of bubble wrap. Depends on how much bubble wrap and how well it was wrapped. I tend to doubt someone mass packing orders is going to take the utmost care with each and every one. It also means one more stage of human handling, another potential for it to be damaged _before_ securely wrapped up. If this were to be a problem many drives would be returned and that sup- plier would very quickly stop sending them this way if that were the case. Not necessarily, if the drive can survive in a working order but fails prematurely, say 1 year later, only the warrantor ever realizes it failed and since the warrantor probably didn't receive it re-wrapped in the same exact packaging, they wouldn't even know how the seller wrapped it. That is, unless some HDD manufacturers are now bulk packing with just bubblewrap but I suspect it would be shells and/or foam instead. |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
On 08 Aug 2006, John wrote:
Jon D jon nomail.com wrote: Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the original thread In my opinion, cross-posting to (alt.engineering.electrical) made this thread off topic to begin with. I am talkinh about electrical failure as well as mechanical failure. I guessed that alt.engineering.electrical knew more than a little about failure of electronic boards. but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned that I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early appearance before I put data on the drive. A hard drive can fail at any time without warning. The solution is to keep copies of your data, either in real-time or by periodic/regular backups. That's true. But I don't want the backup to be on my new drive if it is likely to fail! IYSWIM. |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
Joe S js foldback.net wrote:
On 08 Aug 2006, John Doejdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Jon D jon nomail.com wrote: Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the original thread In my opinion, cross-posting to (alt.engineering.electrical) made this thread off topic to begin with. I am talkinh about electrical failure as well as mechanical failure. I guessed that alt.engineering.electrical knew more than a little about failure of electronic boards. You may as well have been asking them for advice about which hard drive to buy. And of course that would be off-topic too. but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned that I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early appearance before I put data on the drive. A hard drive can fail at any time without warning. The solution is to keep copies of your data, either in real-time or by periodic/regular backups. That's true. But I don't want the backup to be on my new drive if it is likely to fail! IYSWIM. Buy a reliable hard drive. Path: newssvr12.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm05.news.prodigy. com! newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.n ews.prodigy.net! prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com! nntpserver.com!statler.nntpserver.com!news-out.octanews.net! indigo.octanews.net!authen.yellow.readfreenews.net .POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,alt.comp.hardware ,alt.comp.hardware.pc -homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical Subject: Utility to burn in new hard drive? From: Joe S js foldback.net References: Xns980DE70E160AC628D1 127.0.0.1 pKCdnXe6S5vW2FTZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d comcast.com ONdyg.6549$Oh1.3053 news01.roc.ny m9ilc256obpuhdsdmng780kkprfeikl3sh 4ax.com yyofYpCHTEzEFwWZ jasper.org.uk emspc2l4nihuuputenfvu681bhq18tf44n 4ax.com ut5qc219dfnsbt0dbjuqtu06k4dsh4u5gh 4ax.com Xns9814D979ACE4A74C1H4 127.0.0.1 mo98d29cpgihaa0di8olmlk82vnqjmttfq 4ax.com Xns9819D4854D57217E53A 127.0.0.1 Xns9819A3B0754570123456789 207.115.17.102 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:58:04 +0100 Message-ID: Xns981A8E16CB1F274C1H4 127.0.0.1 User-Agent: Xnews/2005.10.18 Lines: 28 Organization: Read Free News NNTP-Posting-Date: 09 Aug 2006 07:58:03 CDT X-Trace: DXC=XGO:bVeGJ2c3^3VT\k;2CnbQ9WK20`3bO6Gh9bA988n8= Y_5a; 9md5:h`7[fI?b`SBjabJ[]JdbSePQ0\L;5hU\CD0S;JPno Xref: prodigy.net comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage:375590 alt.comp.hardwa317271 alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:473098 alt.engineering.electrical:180711 |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
On 09 Aug 2006, John wrote:
On 08 Aug 2006, John Doejdoe usenetlove.invalid wrote: Jon D jon nomail.com wrote: Hi there Phat, maybe you feel this branch has nothing to do with the original thread In my opinion, cross-posting to (alt.engineering.electrical) made this thread off topic to begin with. I am talkinh about electrical failure as well as mechanical failure. I guessed that alt.engineering.electrical knew more than a little about failure of electronic boards. You may as well have been asking them for advice about which hard drive to buy. And of course that would be off-topic too. I think I know what you mean but I guess you are much more of a martinet than I am! but I think we are discussing packaging and how poor packaging may be the cause of early failure. As OP I was concerned that I may encounter early failure and wanted a way to force its early appearance before I put data on the drive. A hard drive can fail at any time without warning. The solution is to keep copies of your data, either in real-time or by periodic/regular backups. That's true. But I don't want the backup to be on my new drive if it is likely to fail! IYSWIM. Buy a reliable hard drive. You say "Buy a reliable hard drive" to avoid problems with a backup on a new drive if it's likely to fail. What hard drive would you buy which you define as "reliable" such that it is more reliable than what I might have bought and will not fail in its early life? |
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Utility to burn in new hard drive?
Buy a reliable hard drive. You say "Buy a reliable hard drive" to avoid problems with a backup on a new drive if it's likely to fail. What hard drive would you buy which you define as "reliable" such that it is more reliable than what I might have bought and will not fail in its early life? ALL hard drive manufacturers produce duds here and there. That's why you will see some people speak out against IBM/Hitachi or Western Digital or ????? Those are the people who got burnt because they were unlucky enough to buy brand X at a time when brand X was not doing as well as would be hoped. But, over the long run, certain brands tend to be the cream of the crop. Your best bet is to buy Seagate or Western Digital. In fact, buy TWO of them, maybe one of each brand. Use one to boot off of, and get backup software to periodically copy everything to the other (or RAID it in a mirrored setup). Lately, Samsung has been making some pretty darned nice hard drives, also. But Seagate and WD both have more of a history of reliability, and are for the most part pretty rock-solid reliable, ignoring a few duds here and there (just like all brands) -Dave |
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