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system hotter than cpu
ok whats the deal he
bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case |
"EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. |
"ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. |
i have 3 case fans blowing in (one in front bottom 2 in back and the
case side off with these temps |
EzAk wrote: i have 3 case fans blowing in (one in front bottom 2 in back and the case side off with these temps My system and cpu temperature was hotter with the side off. My system and cpu temperature was hotter with the fans blowing in instead of out. My coolest temp was achieved with all cooling fans pulling hot air out of the case. My core voltage is set at 1.9V and my fsb is set at 212 and my idle temp on the cpu is 47C with fully loaded usually going to 56 or so. Roger |
EzAk wrote:
ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case Assuming these temps are being reported correctly, can you locate the thermistor that measures the case temp? I have a similar situation when my PC is idling but that is due to the fact that my mobo thermistor is situated directly in the warm exhaust from the graphics card fan. -- ~misfit~ |
What motherboard do you have? It could be a bios issue of it not displaying
the temps correctly. Maybe the system temp is actually the core temp. My first thought is you have something really hot right next the the system temp sensor, but if you have three fans that's probably unlikely. It could be the sensor is next to the mobo chipset and you have the FSB crank to overdrive and the thing is getting real hot. Dave "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case |
running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest
bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are reversed? |
EzAk wrote:
running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are reversed? Looking at the specs of this board it appears that the sys temp sensor is between the cpu and the northbridge, I wonder if it is picking up the hot air from the cpu fan? -- Mark Twixt hill and high water. N.Wales, UK. Email is spam trap try baskitcaise at gmx dot co dot uk |
But the air coming off the heatsink cannot be hotter than the cpu (otherwise
it would heat the cpu not cool it). The cpu must always be hotter than the case air temp (unless your water or Refrigeration cooling or such like) -- *****Replace 'NOSPAM' with 'btinternet' in the reply address***** "baskitcaise" wrote in message ... EzAk wrote: running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are reversed? Looking at the specs of this board it appears that the sys temp sensor is between the cpu and the northbridge, I wonder if it is picking up the hot air from the cpu fan? -- Mark Twixt hill and high water. N.Wales, UK. Email is spam trap try baskitcaise at gmx dot co dot uk |
I dropped 2 degrees f by having the case removed on back side of MB. the
other side left on with a fan attached and blowing out. tends to suck the cooler air in and around better that way I guess. -- Dave M Radeon 9800Pro 256mb P4 2.8 oc to 3.1 "Roger M" wrote in message ... EzAk wrote: i have 3 case fans blowing in (one in front bottom 2 in back and the case side off with these temps My system and cpu temperature was hotter with the side off. My system and cpu temperature was hotter with the fans blowing in instead of out. My coolest temp was achieved with all cooling fans pulling hot air out of the case. My core voltage is set at 1.9V and my fsb is set at 212 and my idle temp on the cpu is 47C with fully loaded usually going to 56 or so. Roger -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
"BigBadger" wrote in message ... But the air coming off the heatsink cannot be hotter than the cpu (otherwise it would heat the cpu not cool it). The cpu must always be hotter than the case air temp (unless your water or Refrigeration cooling or such like) Listen to the Badger. In an air-cooled system the cpu is always going to be hotter than the air around it. This appears to be a situation where the case and system temps are reversed. 46C is about right for the cpu. 38C is a little high for the case, but it's not unheard of. I'd suggest going into the bios (hold down the delete key on reboot,) and check the readings in the PC Health section. They should tell you the real story. P.S., MotherBoard Monitor 5 is free and a much more sophisticated app than Hardware Doctor. It's easy to set up if you use the motherboard list at http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ |
EzAk wrote:
ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case I'd close your case, but first reverse your rear fans both to exhaust and leave front as an intake, may get some air movement in your case and you may get better case temp readings. Either way with 3 fans running as long as some are exhausting your case temps would not be that high or anything to worry about. As others have pointed out fualty temp readings or a heat source close to your board sensor could also cause this reading. |
changed both back fans to out front to in and side on temps change but
no diffrents the case is still hotter than the cpu. I had this same setup with a valcano 9 and didnt have this problem. Is it posible that my cooler for the cpu is cooling the cpu and forcing the heat from the cpu into the case which is why the case is hotter than the cpu? i know its far feched but i dont know what else i could be. |
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, EzAk
wrote: changed both back fans to out front to in and side on temps change but no diffrents the case is still hotter than the cpu. I had this same setup with a valcano 9 and didnt have this problem. Is it posible that my cooler for the cpu is cooling the cpu and forcing the heat from the cpu into the case which is why the case is hotter than the cpu? i know its far feched but i dont know what else i could be. Have you tried taking a reading with the case open? Leave the case open for a few minutes, then see if the temperature decreases to normal. If not, the temp meter might be reporting the wrong temp for one reason or another. Also physically check with your hand whether the case feels abnormally warm or not. Only other thing I can think of, is the power supply blowing hot air in by any chance? Do you have alot of drives installed? |
I've been trying to follow discussions about this subject because the
same is happening to my pc. On idle it's at 39C CPU and 48C or above PWM temp. On full load the system temp. is still 10 degrees (or more) hotter than the CPU. I've been building PC's for a few years now and this is the first I've seen something like this. If I leave it running like this with the sys. temp +10 hotter than the CPU, will there be any damage? It is stable using prime 95 and SiS. Here's my rig: Abit KV-7 AMD Athlon XP 1800 T-bred @ 2.31 GHz (JIUHB-DLT3C) 1.75 Volts 11.5 X 197 FSB 512 mb Corsair PC 3200 Asus TD 9520 Vid Card Creative SB Live 5.1 80 GB Maxtor HD 52X CD-Rom On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:46:29 -0500, EzAk wrote: changed both back fans to out front to in and side on temps change but no diffrents the case is still hotter than the cpu. I had this same setup with a valcano 9 and didnt have this problem. Is it posible that my cooler for the cpu is cooling the cpu and forcing the heat from the cpu into the case which is why the case is hotter than the cpu? i know its far feched but i dont know what else i could be. |
"joef" wrote in message
... "ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Chip. |
"baskitcaise" wrote in message
... EzAk wrote: running no overclocking right now. mobo is ABIT AT7 MAX2 with latest bios update. not sure where the termistate on this board is ill have to try to locate it tomarrow when i have some light. thanks for all your help. Is there a diffrent program i can use to see if the temps are reversed? Looking at the specs of this board it appears that the sys temp sensor is between the cpu and the northbridge, I wonder if it is picking up the hot air from the cpu fan? Yes it does. But its still *impossible* for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Assuming he's not using a peltier or similar, and assuming he doesn't have a heater in the case.) How can hot CPU blow hot air onto something else and make it *hotter*. Its impossible. The explanation is, he has his sensors the wrong way around. Chip. -- Mark Twixt hill and high water. N.Wales, UK. Email is spam trap try baskitcaise at gmx dot co dot uk |
That's a pretty good overclock. What stepping 2100+ do you have? Also, how
about on rainy or foggy days? Are you concerned with humidity? Dave "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 -0000, "Chip" wrote: My system temp is usually higher than my CPU temp. AMD 2100+ "B" at 2350Mhz (173.9x13.5) 1.85 vcore CPU temp is 19c / System temp is 20c At 6:00 AM this morning the CPU temp was 15c / System 19c The box is closed but I have a cold air plenum feeding outside air almost directly to the CPU fan. The other two intake fans are room air. 30 degree F air directly onto the CPU fan keeps it reeeeaaal cool. §ß© |
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 +0000, Chip wrote:
This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Actually, some boards have the system sensor where it can be hotter than the CPU sensor. The ASrock K7S8X series is one such board. I think the system sensor is actually on the northbridge although I didn't check for sure. At idle, running Athcool, the cpu temp is about 1-2C lower than the reported system temp. Under load that changes of course with the cpu temp going 10C over system temp. But I would agree with you if the system had an open sensor not close to something hot. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
"§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "joef" wrote in message ... "ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Chip. My system temp is usually higher than my CPU temp. AMD 2100+ "B" at 2350Mhz (173.9x13.5) 1.85 vcore CPU temp is 19c / System temp is 20c At 6:00 AM this morning the CPU temp was 15c / System 19c What, with the PC switched off ;-) Seriously I don't buy those temps. At 1.85 core your CPU is producing about 80w under load. Assuming the ambient air around the CPU is only 5c!!! (which is very very very very unlikely), then you would need a hs that can do 0.125 C/W to maintain a 15C CPU temp. This is twice as good as a Thermalright SLK900 can manage with a 5500rpm 80mm fan (0.22C/W). i.e. What I am saying it is completely impossible with air cooling to maintain a CPU temp of 15C. Something is seriously wrong with your sensors. Chip. |
"Wes Newell" wrote in message
... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 +0000, Chip wrote: This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Actually, some boards have the system sensor where it can be hotter than the CPU sensor. The ASrock K7S8X series is one such board. I think the system sensor is actually on the northbridge although I didn't check for sure. At idle, running Athcool, the cpu temp is about 1-2C lower than the reported system temp. Under load that changes of course with the cpu temp going 10C over system temp. But I would agree with you if the system had an open sensor not close to something hot. Fair point. If you site the case sensor next to another source of heat, then its possible. (I did say "unless you have heater in the case".) The simple law of thermodynamics is that heat flows fom hot things to cooler things. You can't have something *being* heated, hotter than the thing heating it. Its just plain impossible. As an aside, what complete *stupid* places manufactures put the system temp thermistors in. On the Abit nf7-s its right under the CPU hs!!!! How nutty is that? Not so much the system temperature, more the "CPU Exhaust Temperature". Chip. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html |
koolit wrote in message . ..
I've been trying to follow discussions about this subject because the same is happening to my pc. On idle it's at 39C CPU and 48C or above PWM temp. On full load the system temp. is still 10 degrees (or more) hotter than the CPU. I've been building PC's for a few years now and this is the first I've seen something like this. If I leave it running like this with the sys. temp +10 hotter than the CPU, will there be any damage? It is stable using prime 95 and SiS. Here's my rig: Abit KV-7 AMD Athlon XP 1800 T-bred @ 2.31 GHz (JIUHB-DLT3C) 1.75 Volts 11.5 X 197 FSB 512 mb Corsair PC 3200 Asus TD 9520 Vid Card Creative SB Live 5.1 80 GB Maxtor HD 52X CD-Rom On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:46:29 -0500, EzAk wrote: changed both back fans to out front to in and side on temps change but no diffrents the case is still hotter than the cpu. I had this same setup with a valcano 9 and didnt have this problem. Is it posible that my cooler for the cpu is cooling the cpu and forcing the heat from the cpu into the case which is why the case is hotter than the cpu? i know its far feched but i dont know what else i could be. I just read this thread. Although nobody at Abit seems to want to admit it, the cpu and systems readings are reversed on several boards, including the Abit KD7 which I have. I just accepted the fact that they are reversed and monitor it accordingly. Look at the hotter temperature of the two and assign it to the cpu. My overclocked 2100+ AMD runs at 2287 with a idle temperatures of 39 and 33. Hardware monitor shows the system at 39 and the cpu at 33. obviously, they are reversed. Dennis |
"§unnyß©" wrote in message
... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:34:07 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "joef" wrote in message ... "ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Chip. My system temp is usually higher than my CPU temp. AMD 2100+ "B" at 2350Mhz (173.9x13.5) 1.85 vcore CPU temp is 19c / System temp is 20c At 6:00 AM this morning the CPU temp was 15c / System 19c What, with the PC switched off ;-) Seriously I don't buy those temps. At 1.85 core your CPU is producing about 80w under load. Assuming the ambient air around the CPU is only 5c!!! (which is very very very very unlikely), then you would need a hs that can do 0.125 C/W to maintain a 15C CPU temp. This is twice as good as a Thermalright SLK900 can manage with a 5500rpm 80mm fan (0.22C/W). i.e. What I am saying it is completely impossible with air cooling to maintain a CPU temp of 15C. Something is seriously wrong with your sensors. Chip. I tried to post a screenshot but I guess my provider won't let it go through. The following is a copy of the SiSandra CPU/BIOS info as of five minutes ago. Irrelevant stuff left intact. I have 4 comments. 1. Your CPU temp shows 20C, not 15C as you originally said 2. Where is your system temp, and why is it not reported? 3. Like I said in the first place "Something is seriously wrong with your sensors". What Sandra reports is only coming from your mis-calibrated sensors. Sandra doesn't "verify" anything. If the sensors are miscalibrated, then Sandra gets the information wrong too. 4. Everything below is irrelevant as "proof", because you could type in anything you like anyway. Having said all that, I am not saying I don't believe *you*. I just don't believe your sensors, that's all. I reckon they are under-reading by about 10C. 30C at idle is perhaps more like it. 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Warning 216 : CPU fan has failed! Check it. Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip. -------------------------------------------------- §ß© |
Chip wrote:
"§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:34:07 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "joef" wrote in message ... "ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Chip. My system temp is usually higher than my CPU temp. AMD 2100+ "B" at 2350Mhz (173.9x13.5) 1.85 vcore CPU temp is 19c / System temp is 20c At 6:00 AM this morning the CPU temp was 15c / System 19c What, with the PC switched off ;-) Seriously I don't buy those temps. At 1.85 core your CPU is producing about 80w under load. Assuming the ambient air around the CPU is only 5c!!! (which is very very very very unlikely), then you would need a hs that can do 0.125 C/W to maintain a 15C CPU temp. This is twice as good as a Thermalright SLK900 can manage with a 5500rpm 80mm fan (0.22C/W). i.e. What I am saying it is completely impossible with air cooling to maintain a CPU temp of 15C. Something is seriously wrong with your sensors. Chip. I tried to post a screenshot but I guess my provider won't let it go through. The following is a copy of the SiSandra CPU/BIOS info as of five minutes ago. Irrelevant stuff left intact. I have 4 comments. 1. Your CPU temp shows 20C, not 15C as you originally said Uhh, dude, learn to read. Several lines above your post he says that his CPU temp at 6am was 15°, at time of writing 19°. -- ~misfit~ |
"~misfit~" wrote in message ... Chip wrote: "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:34:07 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "joef" wrote in message ... "ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Chip. My system temp is usually higher than my CPU temp. AMD 2100+ "B" at 2350Mhz (173.9x13.5) 1.85 vcore CPU temp is 19c / System temp is 20c At 6:00 AM this morning the CPU temp was 15c / System 19c What, with the PC switched off ;-) Seriously I don't buy those temps. At 1.85 core your CPU is producing about 80w under load. Assuming the ambient air around the CPU is only 5c!!! (which is very very very very unlikely), then you would need a hs that can do 0.125 C/W to maintain a 15C CPU temp. This is twice as good as a Thermalright SLK900 can manage with a 5500rpm 80mm fan (0.22C/W). i.e. What I am saying it is completely impossible with air cooling to maintain a CPU temp of 15C. Something is seriously wrong with your sensors. Chip. I tried to post a screenshot but I guess my provider won't let it go through. The following is a copy of the SiSandra CPU/BIOS info as of five minutes ago. Irrelevant stuff left intact. I have 4 comments. 1. Your CPU temp shows 20C, not 15C as you originally said Uhh, dude, learn to read. Several lines above your post he says that his CPU temp at 6am was 15°, at time of writing 19°. -- ~misfit~ Uhh dude why don't you learn to *think*. I questioned his 15C comment. So he replies with "evidence" showing 20C. WTF use is that? Chip. |
Chip wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote in message ... Chip wrote: "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:34:07 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "§unnyß©" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:21:36 -0000, "Chip" wrote: "joef" wrote in message ... "ElJerid" wrote in message ... "EzAk" wrote in message ... ok whats the deal he bios stats system temp: 46c/114f cpu surface temp: 38c/100f cpu core temp: 42c/107f hardware doctor system 46 cpu 38.00 - 38.50 system is: Zalman cnps 7000A-Cu *copper* Barton 2500+ WEEK 33 (unlocked) 3200 ddr 400 512 ATI 9800 PRO 128mb 60gb Maxtor 160gb Maxtor Plexwriter (12X1032) AND (52X32X52) NSpire 300w Chen Ming ATX-601 AE case There is a problem with your case ventilation. Are there any fans in it? The two hard disks plus the 9800 Pro dissipate a lot of heat that has to be extracted. You should have one or two fans blowing into the case and one on top of the psu fan(s) extracting the hot air from the case. My sysoft sandra confuses the system and cpu readings - ie they're swapped. Could be your problem. Does the system temp rise quickly from cold? This might indicate same thing happening. This *is* the problem. It is against the laws of Physics for the system temp to be higher than the CPU temp. (Unless he's using a pelt, or has a heater in the case.... which I doubt somehow.) Chip. My system temp is usually higher than my CPU temp. AMD 2100+ "B" at 2350Mhz (173.9x13.5) 1.85 vcore CPU temp is 19c / System temp is 20c At 6:00 AM this morning the CPU temp was 15c / System 19c What, with the PC switched off ;-) Seriously I don't buy those temps. At 1.85 core your CPU is producing about 80w under load. Assuming the ambient air around the CPU is only 5c!!! (which is very very very very unlikely), then you would need a hs that can do 0.125 C/W to maintain a 15C CPU temp. This is twice as good as a Thermalright SLK900 can manage with a 5500rpm 80mm fan (0.22C/W). i.e. What I am saying it is completely impossible with air cooling to maintain a CPU temp of 15C. Something is seriously wrong with your sensors. Chip. I tried to post a screenshot but I guess my provider won't let it go through. The following is a copy of the SiSandra CPU/BIOS info as of five minutes ago. Irrelevant stuff left intact. I have 4 comments. 1. Your CPU temp shows 20C, not 15C as you originally said Uhh, dude, learn to read. Several lines above your post he says that his CPU temp at 6am was 15°, at time of writing 19°. -- ~misfit~ Uhh dude why don't you learn to *think*. I questioned his 15C comment. So he replies with "evidence" showing 20C. WTF use is that? You went off in a big rant about how difficult it would be to 'maintain a CPU temp of 15°C', basically saying he was a liar, yet he never claimed he 'maintained' that temp, only that, at 6am on the morning in question, his CPU registered 15°C. He said that later in the day his CPU temp regisetered 19°C and his posted data dump from sandra is very close to that. Get a hobby Chip. One other than brow-beating people who are only asking for help. -- ~misfit~ |
BigBadger wrote:
But the air coming off the heatsink cannot be hotter than the cpu (otherwise it would heat the cpu not cool it). The cpu must always be hotter than the case air temp (unless your water or Refrigeration cooling or such like) That is, of course, quite true. What in the world makes people think that "system temp" is necessarily the same as case air temp is another matter. |
"~misfit~" wrote in message news:WXpFb.36505
[snip] You went off in a big rant about how difficult it would be to 'maintain a CPU temp of 15°C', basically saying he was a liar, yet he never claimed he 'maintained' that temp, only that, at 6am on the morning in question, his CPU registered 15°C. I never called him a liar, nor even hinted at it. I said in my original post that his sensors are wrong (which they are). In my next post, I even emphasised the fact "Having said all that, I am not saying I don't believe you". Calling him a liar never came into it. He said that later in the day his CPU temp regisetered 19°C and his posted data dump from sandra is very close to that. 15? 19? It makes no difference. 19C is still impossible on air, unless you sit outside in Iceland in the winter. Get a hobby Chip. One other than brow-beating people who are only asking for help. What "asking for help"? I don't see SunnyB asking for any help, do you? Just jumped in telling everyone how wonderfully low his temps are. And I merely pointed out to him that his sensors are not accurate. Any anyway, what the feck has it got to do with you. First you jump in with your "learn to read" offensive ********. And now this. I wonder why I don't feel a need to heed your "advice". Chip. |
Hey listen, peace. Sorry about my last post - I was in a really sh*tty
mood. No excuse. Have a Happy Christmas and try not to let miserable idiots like me get you down ;-) Chip |
"David Maynard" wrote in message ... BigBadger wrote: But the air coming off the heatsink cannot be hotter than the cpu (otherwise it would heat the cpu not cool it). The cpu must always be hotter than the case air temp (unless your water or Refrigeration cooling or such like) That is, of course, quite true. What in the world makes people think that "system temp" is necessarily the same as case air temp is another matter. hehe...........and we have beat that dog to death over the years in this group..........:-) Ed --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 |
Chip wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote in message news:WXpFb.36505 [snip] You went off in a big rant about how difficult it would be to 'maintain a CPU temp of 15°C', basically saying he was a liar, yet he never claimed he 'maintained' that temp, only that, at 6am on the morning in question, his CPU registered 15°C. I never called him a liar, nor even hinted at it. I said in my original post that his sensors are wrong (which they are). In my next post, I even emphasised the fact "Having said all that, I am not saying I don't believe you". Calling him a liar never came into it. He said that later in the day his CPU temp regisetered 19°C and his posted data dump from sandra is very close to that. 15? 19? It makes no difference. 19C is still impossible on air, unless you sit outside in Iceland in the winter. He did say in his original post that he ducts air from outside his case directly onto his CPU and he said it was 30°F air. That's below freezing. Get a hobby Chip. One other than brow-beating people who are only asking for help. What "asking for help"? I don't see SunnyB asking for any help, do you? Just jumped in telling everyone how wonderfully low his temps are. And I merely pointed out to him that his sensors are not accurate. Any anyway, what the feck has it got to do with you. First you jump in with your "learn to read" offensive ********. And now this. I wonder why I don't feel a need to heed your "advice". Ok, whatever. I duct air from outside my case directly onto my CPU as well. Of course, my ambient temp isn't below freezing, but my CPU temps are often lower than my case temp and always lower than my HDD temp. Especially in the first five minutes after a cold boot. Then again, my case thermistor is directly in the airflow from my ti4200 and the monitoring software that came with it (Leadtek) reports the GPU at around 50°C as soon as it boots into windows. -- ~misfit~ |
Chip wrote:
Hey listen, peace. Sorry about my last post - I was in a really sh*tty mood. No excuse. Have a Happy Christmas and try not to let miserable idiots like me get you down ;-) S'cool Chip, merry Christmas to you too. :-) -- ~misfit~ |
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