Regarding Audigy2+44.xx drivers=bus hogging
I have done some experimenting and have found out that by uninstalling the
latest Creative Audigy2 drivers and then installing just the drivers (didn't install anything else except the base drivers) that came on the Audigy2 installation cdrom you can run any version of the Nvidia drivers and not get any stuttering sound on boot up. I was getting a bit of stuttering engine sound when driving tanks in BF:1942 but that has gone too now. I guess new is not always better and it looks to me like both Nvidia and Creative are trying to tweak the last drop of performance out of their cards to the point that they are causing bus hogging issues. Old Creative drivers + New Nvidia drivers = good |
"Derek Wildstar" wrote in message news:XfFQa.53859$GL4.13940@rwcrnsc53... "Roger" wrote in message ... I have done some experimenting and have found out that by uninstalling the latest Creative Audigy2 drivers and then installing just the drivers (didn't install anything else except the base drivers) that came on the Audigy2 installation cdrom you can run any version of the Nvidia drivers and not get any stuttering sound on boot up. I was getting a bit of stuttering engine sound when driving tanks in BF:1942 but that has gone too now. I guess new is not always better and it looks to me like both Nvidia and Creative are trying to tweak the last drop of performance out of their cards to the point that they are causing bus hogging issues. Old Creative drivers + New Nvidia drivers = good This is a well understood phenomenon, but no one wants to do anything about it. Typically, the problem was the creative drivers not releasing the bus in time for the hungry 255clk appetite of the GeForces. Barring any emergency surgery by Creative (don't hold your breath), you must tweak your PCI bus specifically for your exact needs and configuration, yes it's a major pain in the ass, but it's the only way to get near perfect operation. Best way to do that, is as others have posted, is primarily to knock out any TSR that you absolutley do not need to run on start up. Almost all Creative TSP's are crap and eligible for deletetion, also make sure your chipset level drivers are up to speed. Many of the 4-1's have specificfixes for this issue. Lastly, set up your BIOS to treat the PCI bus with kid gloves, a 32clk minimum is a good setting for a modern robust PC that has these issues. Good luck, this is a complex issue that has no one exacting solution. I'm glad you found something that seems to work for you, most don't. Force IRQ Priority This is a tweak that falls into the category of imperceptible, but some may find it useful if a hardware device is being a bit of a laggard. This tweak can be applied to multiple IRQs and the best use you could make of it is to try to improve the performance of devices that share an IRQ over non-shared IRQs. The effect of this change is to improve the performance of devices on the nominated IRQ. It is often used to boost the performance of the System CMOS/real time clock, normally residing on IRQ8. To change the priority of a different IRQ, replace 8 in IRQ8Priority with the appropriate IRQ number. To change the priority of additional devices, simply add appropriate keys. Start regedit and navigate to the following key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\PriorityControl] Create the new entry, save the changes and reboot; "IRQ8Priority"=dword:0000001 If you are not certain that the System CMOS/real time clock resides on IRQ8 on your system, check it by selecting the properties of System CMOS/real time clock in Device Manager. Thx to Kadaitcha Man................... |
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:57:50 -0700, "Roger" wrote: I have done some experimenting and have found out that by uninstalling the latest Creative Audigy2 drivers and then installing just the drivers (didn't install anything else except the base drivers) that came on the Audigy2 installation cdrom you can run any version of the Nvidia drivers and not get any stuttering sound on boot up. I was getting a bit of stuttering engine sound when driving tanks in BF:1942 but that has gone too now. I guess new is not always better and it looks to me like both Nvidia and Creative are trying to tweak the last drop of performance out of their cards to the point that they are causing bus hogging issues. Old Creative drivers + New Nvidia drivers = good Nice theory, but I bet you might get the exact same results if you had simply just reinstalled all the creative drivers as they were... It's a common enough problem - Always install sound drivers last. Always install Video drivers first, always reinstall sound drivers after reinstalling or upgrading video drivers. I'm not disputing your theory - you may in fact be correct, But It's possible that it's just a case of video drivers being installed after sound drivers. As for Why - I have no idea. But every case of stuttering I have ever encountered (quite a few) has always been solved by simply following that simple ordering... Always install sound drivers last. Always install Video drivers first, always reinstall sound drivers after reinstalling or upgrading video drivers. |
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:03:29 -0700, In this world we created Peter
Parker wrote : On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:28:23 GMT, "Derek Wildstar" wrote: This is a well understood phenomenon, but no one wants to do anything about it. Typically, the problem was the creative drivers not releasing the bus in time for the hungry 255clk appetite of the GeForces. Barring any emergency surgery by Creative (don't hold your breath), you must tweak your PCI bus specifically for your exact needs and configuration, yes it's a major pain in the ass, but it's the only way to get near perfect operation. Best way to do that, is as others have posted, is primarily to knock out any TSR that you absolutley do not need to run on start up. Almost all Creative TSP's are crap and eligible for deletetion, also make sure your chipset level drivers are up to speed. Many of the 4-1's have specificfixes for this issue. Lastly, set up your BIOS to treat the PCI bus with kid gloves, a 32clk minimum is a good setting for a modern robust PC that has these issues. Good luck, this is a complex issue that has no one exacting solution. I'm glad you found something that seems to work for you, most don't. OK, I was wrong about the soundcard drivers because once I installed powerstrip and had it autoload at bootup the stuttering came back. I had installed the audigy2 drivers with just the core drivers and nohing else so nothing else was loading at bootup. I played around with the PCI settings in PS and it made no difference. Went and downloaded latest beta drivers (44.90) from guru3d and the problem was gone. This is a problem inherent in certain Nvidia drivers and nothing to do with PCI latency settings. It's seems like Nvidia has fixed it in the latest drivers though. But, after all that, I've decideed to just go with my old faithfuls the 30.82 drivers for Win98SE and XP. Never had a problem with those drivers in anything and they are fast enough for me. The old 30.82 were a good set for me in win98SE with the my old G3 Ti200.The 43.45_win9x_english.exe don't seem to give me any problems that,"Rivatuner" can't fix, http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/ and I think Rivatuner does a better job than,"Powerstrip" and causes no problems and actually fixes them. HTH :) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
On , Shepİ quilled:
The old 30.82 were a good set for me in win98SE with the my old G3 Ti200.The 43.45_win9x_english.exe don't seem to give me any problems that,"Rivatuner" can't fix, http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/ and I think Rivatuner does a better job than,"Powerstrip" and causes no problems and actually fixes them. HTH :) OK, thx. I'll try it out but have used it before, it's a bit confusing with all those options though. :-) |
On , Adam Selene quilled:
Nice theory, but I bet you might get the exact same results if you had simply just reinstalled all the creative drivers as they were... It's a common enough problem - Always install sound drivers last. Always install Video drivers first, always reinstall sound drivers after reinstalling or upgrading video drivers. I'm not disputing your theory - you may in fact be correct, But It's possible that it's just a case of video drivers being installed after sound drivers. As for Why - I have no idea. But every case of stuttering I have ever encountered (quite a few) has always been solved by simply following that simple ordering... Always install sound drivers last. Always install Video drivers first, always reinstall sound drivers after reinstalling or upgrading video drivers. Well, if your theory is correct then you would have to always reinstall the soundcard drivers after trying new video drivers. Nope, that ain't gonna happen here. If you owned an Audigy2 you would understand why I say that. This issue only showed up with 44.xx and later drivers. Using 43.45 right now with no problems showing yet. |
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:43:02 -0700, In this world we created Yoshi
Yakaura wrote : On , Shepİ quilled: The old 30.82 were a good set for me in win98SE with the my old G3 Ti200.The 43.45_win9x_english.exe don't seem to give me any problems that,"Rivatuner" can't fix, http://www.guru3d.com/rivatuner/ and I think Rivatuner does a better job than,"Powerstrip" and causes no problems and actually fixes them. HTH :) OK, thx. I'll try it out but have used it before, it's a bit confusing with all those options though. :-) All new programs to a user can be confusing.Use it for a couple of weeks and it'll be easy :) -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html Free songs download, http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/sheppard.html |
Yoshi Yakaura wrote:
On , Adam Selene quilled: Nice theory, but I bet you might get the exact same results if you had simply just reinstalled all the creative drivers as they were... It's a common enough problem - Always install sound drivers last. Always install Video drivers first, always reinstall sound drivers after reinstalling or upgrading video drivers. I'm not disputing your theory - you may in fact be correct, But It's possible that it's just a case of video drivers being installed after sound drivers. As for Why - I have no idea. But every case of stuttering I have ever encountered (quite a few) has always been solved by simply following that simple ordering... Always install sound drivers last. Always install Video drivers first, always reinstall sound drivers after reinstalling or upgrading video drivers. Well, if your theory is correct then you would have to always reinstall the soundcard drivers after trying new video drivers. Nope, that ain't gonna happen here. If you owned an Audigy2 you would understand why I say that. This issue only showed up with 44.xx and later drivers. Using 43.45 right now with no problems showing yet. Everything on my system was working fine. The Audigy 2 and the 44.xx drivers were coexisting quite nicely, UNTIL I downloaded and installed the latest Audigy 2 drivers. Then everything promptly went to hell in a handbasket--stutterings, game slowdowns, improper saves, system crashes, etc., including the dreaded blue-screen shutdown where I was warned that a ct* something-or-other file was at the root of the problem. I purged the new Audigy 2 drivers I downloaded (I hope) and reinstalled the old ones. So far, so good, but only time will tell for sure. -- chainbreaker-who doesn't understand why Creative feels the need to pack 10 pounds of crap in a 5-pound driver basket |
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