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linux 64bit OS again
If anyone is interested in a 64bit OS this one works for me.
I installed Fedora Core2 on my AMD64 machine, with a little tweaking. The FC2 programs harddrive format messed up the drive so I had to reformat and reinstall WinXP64. I then booted to a Fedora Core1 disk and ran the install until the HD was formatted. I stopped the process, rebooted with Fedora Core2 and did a "Linux nousbstorage" install. When I got to the format step I selected manual and edited the "/boot" and "/" areas. The rest of the install ran smoothly. I now have a 64bit system running mostly x86_64 programs. I am using the AMD64 3200 CPU, with a MSI K8T NEO-FIS2R MB and an ATI 9600 pro video card. Everything works except my Winfast TV system. I had previously tried Gentoo 2004.1, Mandrake AMD64 rc1 and Suse 9.0. for AMD64. Suse ran OK but most of the programs appeared to be 32bit. Gentoo worked OK for a short while then I would get a corrupt file system error. Mandrake likewise ran ok for several bootups then it gave a "kernel panic" error. |
"Don McCarter" wrote in message ... If anyone is interested in a 64bit OS this one works for me. I installed Fedora Core2 on my AMD64 machine, with a little tweaking. The FC2 programs harddrive format messed up the drive so I had to reformat and reinstall WinXP64. I then booted to a Fedora Core1 disk and ran the install until the HD was formatted. I stopped the process, rebooted with Fedora Core2 and did a "Linux nousbstorage" install. When I got to the format step I selected manual and edited the "/boot" and "/" areas. The rest of the install ran smoothly. I now have a 64bit system running mostly x86_64 programs. I am using the AMD64 3200 CPU, with a MSI K8T NEO-FIS2R MB and an ATI 9600 pro video card. Everything works except my Winfast TV system. I had previously tried Gentoo 2004.1, Mandrake AMD64 rc1 and Suse 9.0. for AMD64. Suse ran OK but most of the programs appeared to be 32bit. Gentoo worked OK for a short while then I would get a corrupt file system error. Mandrake likewise ran ok for several bootups then it gave a "kernel panic" error. If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. |
Early 2 Riz adjusted his tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear to
write: If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) -- Mark Iligitimi Non Carborundum! Twixt hill and high water, N.Wales, UK onfxvgpnvfr-ng-tzk-qbg-pb-hx |
"baskitcaise" wrote in message ... Early 2 Riz adjusted his tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear to write: If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) I hate software driven hardware.. Cheap&Crap all in the perfect bundle |
"rstlne" == rstlne writes:
rstlne "baskitcaise" wrote in message rstlne ... Early 2 Riz adjusted his tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear to write: If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) rstlne I hate software driven hardware.. Cheap&Crap all in the rstlne perfect bundle Closed source or win only software is a killer, and will be obselete sooner than the hardware is obsolete. I have had to change or update hardware on every system I have had because of driver problems, or lack of driver support. This has been worst on Windows (DIFFERENT VERSIONS) than Linux. I have noticed less win only hardware these days and this is very good! Whatever - find a card that works, or hack the driver to work ;-)). Later Alan |
"Post Replies Here Please" wrote in message ... "rstlne" == rstlne writes: rstlne "baskitcaise" wrote in message rstlne ... Early 2 Riz adjusted his tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear to write: If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) rstlne I hate software driven hardware.. Cheap&Crap all in the rstlne perfect bundle Closed source or win only software is a killer, and will be obselete sooner than the hardware is obsolete. I have had to change or update hardware on every system I have had because of driver problems, or lack of driver support. This has been worst on Windows (DIFFERENT VERSIONS) than Linux. I have noticed less win only hardware these days and this is very good! Bloated software requiring new hardware along with hardware that supports new software features is an old game. I remember it being practiced with the IBM 704/709/7094 back in the late '50s and early '60s. Don't expect changes! |
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"Early 2 Riz" wrote in message ... "Don McCarter" wrote in message ... If anyone is interested in a 64bit OS this one works for me. I installed Fedora Core2 on my AMD64 machine, with a little tweaking. The FC2 programs harddrive format messed up the drive so I had to reformat and reinstall WinXP64. I then booted to a Fedora Core1 disk and ran the install until the HD was formatted. I stopped the process, rebooted with Fedora Core2 and did a "Linux nousbstorage" install. When I got to the format step I selected manual and edited the "/boot" and "/" areas. The rest of the install ran smoothly. I now have a 64bit system running mostly x86_64 programs. I am using the AMD64 3200 CPU, with a MSI K8T NEO-FIS2R MB and an ATI 9600 pro video card. Everything works except my Winfast TV system. I had previously tried Gentoo 2004.1, Mandrake AMD64 rc1 and Suse 9.0. for AMD64. Suse ran OK but most of the programs appeared to be 32bit. Gentoo worked OK for a short while then I would get a corrupt file system error. Mandrake likewise ran ok for several bootups then it gave a "kernel panic" error. If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. The OP's concern on the Winfast TV could be caused by the setting and/or unavailable hardware driver. For the later case, the OP is stuck until there is a Linux driver for such a TV card, not the whole system doesn't work. To some extend, some people will not use the Winfast TV card, yet the system runs fine and smooth without any DOB. You may not like Linux OS; however, an advice like that, just because the hardware does not work on the OS without knowing the cause, will get you nowhere even on a Windows OS. -- Mazi |
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:06:19 +0100, baskitcaise wrote:
Early 2 Riz adjusted his tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear to write: If your Winfast TV doesn't work, then you can say the whole system doesn't work. You can't disregard a piece of equipment just because the OS doesn't like it. My advice, stick to an OS where all of your equipment works. Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) That would probably be Mandrake 10. No need to buy. Just download. |
Steven Kinch wrote in
: Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) That would probably be Mandrake 10. No need to buy. Just download. I'm running Mandrake 10 64bit RC1. I downloaded the ISOs so it cost only three blank CDs. It installed all my hardware except I had to manually install my Canon S900 Photo printer, there was no driver so I chose the S800, set resolution to 800x800 and everything works fine. I also had to manually configure my Microtek scanner, Mandrake had drivers for an almost identical model and it also works fine. No other hardware required any tweaking except screen resolution and that was easy once I found out how to do it. Install time was less than 1/2 of the time to install XP32bit or XP64bit or Longhorn whoknowswhatbit, none of which could install the Canon Photoprinter, Microtek scanner OR my NIC, sound card or chipset drivers. It seems to me that Mandrake comes out ahead of Windows in installing hardware. I also tried SuSE and RedHat (actually Fedora project) 64 bit editions, neither of which installed hardware nearly as well as Mandrake so if you have hardware install problems, just try another disto.... |
"XS11E" wrote in message ... Steven Kinch wrote in : Name me one O/S where all hardware works 100% and I will buy it :) That would probably be Mandrake 10. No need to buy. Just download. I'm running Mandrake 10 64bit RC1. I downloaded the ISOs so it cost only three blank CDs. It installed all my hardware except I had to manually install my Canon S900 Photo printer, there was no driver so I chose the S800, set resolution to 800x800 and everything works fine. I also had to manually configure my Microtek scanner, Mandrake had drivers for an almost identical model and it also works fine. No other hardware required any tweaking except screen resolution and that was easy once I found out how to do it. Install time was less than 1/2 of the time to install XP32bit or XP64bit or Longhorn whoknowswhatbit, none of which could install the Canon Photoprinter, Microtek scanner OR my NIC, sound card or chipset drivers. It seems to me that Mandrake comes out ahead of Windows in installing hardware. I also tried SuSE and RedHat (actually Fedora project) 64 bit editions, neither of which installed hardware nearly as well as Mandrake so if you have hardware install problems, just try another disto.... The only problems I have with Mandrake 10 64bit for the AMD, is that is only out for the Silver members. Plus, there is no support for it even then. Mandrake is the best distro of Linux, but it doesn't take the place of Windows for an ATI 9600XT or X800 online gaming system. There are so many games written for the Windows Platform, and very few have been ported to Linux. And until Linux becomes completely point and click, it is not a viable OS for the masses. |
"Pseudo Namen" wrote in
: The only problems I have with Mandrake 10 64bit for the AMD, is that is only out for the Silver members. Plus, there is no support for it even then. I'm not a member of the club but the RC1 version is available to everyone and it works. Mandrake is the best distro of Linux, but it doesn't take the place of Windows for an ATI 9600XT or X800 online gaming system. I know nothing about gaming. |
"XS11E" wrote in message ... "Pseudo Namen" wrote in : The only problems I have with Mandrake 10 64bit for the AMD, is that is only out for the Silver members. Plus, there is no support for it even then. I'm not a member of the club but the RC1 version is available to everyone and it works. Mandrake is the best distro of Linux, but it doesn't take the place of Windows for an ATI 9600XT or X800 online gaming system. I know nothing about gaming. I have Mandrake version 10 RC1, but I want the final release (you have to be a silver member or greater to get that. I am a standard member. :o) Gaming is so fun. I love Warcraft 3, Diblo 2, Deus Ex, The Sims, Simcity 4, C&C Generals, etc.... The list is very large. :o) |
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:06:38 -0500, Pseudo Namen wrote:
And until Linux becomes completely point and click, it is not a viable OS for the masses. It's been a viable os for the masses for a few years now. First of the masses don't have to install the OS. It comes preinstalled and completely functionable. make all the people that buy pc's install windows and you'll find that not many of the masses will be able to install it either. My brother (one of the masses) has been using win for at least 12 years, and couldn't reinstall win on his machine just the other day. But I'll bet he could of gotten Linux installed (given the CD's) and he's never even used it. -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 06:05:22 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:06:38 -0500, Pseudo Namen wrote: And until Linux becomes completely point and click, it is not a viable OS for the masses. It's been a viable os for the masses for a few years now. First of the masses don't have to install the OS. It comes preinstalled and completely functionable. make all the people that buy pc's install windows and you'll find that not many of the masses will be able to install it either. My brother (one of the masses) has been using win for at least 12 years, and couldn't reinstall win on his machine just the other day. But I'll bet he could of gotten Linux installed (given the CD's) and he's never even used it. I just found this in the next NG.:-) I just build a new PC, everything is blank right now. After I use a Win98 bootdisk to get into DOS, then put my WinXP CD into CD-ROM when I start to run setup.exe from the WinXP CD it says:"This program can only run in Windows environment" How do you install WinXP onto a blank PC? ps: I remember with Win2000, its CD offers an utility to create 4 floppy disks These disks can run from DOS environment. I rest my case.:-) -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
A very good point, and very true. Even if they can get windows installed they cannot get the drivers working correctly. I have a friend highly ****ed because he could not get more than 256 colors, and he brought the driver CD! Whatever. I told him he could download the drivers from the net, and he said "I don't know how to do that". Since he lives 800 miles away, I could not help him out, but he got the local tech at his workplace to finish the install. This is only one example but the list is very long. The point is clear it is about per-install vs. self install. I can remember when windows 98 came out the recommendation at the time was don't install it but buy a computer with it already installed. Whatever. "Wes" == Wes Newell writes: Wes On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:06:38 -0500, Pseudo Namen wrote: And until Linux becomes completely point and click, it is not a viable OS for the masses. Wes It's been a viable os for the masses for a few years now. First Wes of the masses don't have to install the OS. It comes Wes preinstalled and completely functionable. make all the people Wes that buy pc's install windows and you'll find that not many of Wes the masses will be able to install it either. My brother (one of Wes the masses) has been using win for at least 12 years, and Wes couldn't reinstall win on his machine just the other day. But Wes I'll bet he could of gotten Linux installed (given the CD's) and Wes he's never even used it. Wes -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) Wes http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm |
"Wes" == Wes Newell writes:
Wes On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 06:05:22 +0000, Wes Newell wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:06:38 -0500, Pseudo Namen wrote: And until Linux becomes completely point and click, it is not a viable OS for the masses. It's been a viable os for the masses for a few years now. First of the masses don't have to install the OS. It comes preinstalled and completely functionable. make all the people that buy pc's install windows and you'll find that not many of the masses will be able to install it either. My brother (one of the masses) has been using win for at least 12 years, and couldn't reinstall win on his machine just the other day. But I'll bet he could of gotten Linux installed (given the CD's) and he's never even used it. Wes I just found this in the next NG.:-) Wes I just build a new PC, everything is blank right now. After I Wes use a Win98 bootdisk to get into DOS, then put my WinXP CD into Wes CD-ROM when I start to run setup.exe from the WinXP CD it Wes says:"This program can only run in Windows environment" How do Wes you install WinXP onto a blank PC? Wes ps: I remember with Win2000, its CD offers an utility to create Wes 4 floppy disks These disks can run from DOS environment. Wes I rest my case.:-) Wes -- Abit KT7-Raid (KT133) Tbred B core CPU @2400MHz (24x100FSB) Wes http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.htm You can download the program from M$ web site that will make the XP install disks. I think it is six disks total. This is painful but it works. Besides cutting the grass this is the only time my 19 year son is useful. ;-) Your point is very clear few folks have a clue, and actually the XP cd should boot on most newer computers, but it may not. I would never use Windows, but my job requires Windows 2000. I was ordered by the management that I could not even connect to the network with my Linux laptop. Apparently they have some type of network software that can detect Linux computers and the tech will physically disconnect your computer from the network. Then you will get a very nasty e-mail or memo from the IT folks. Whatever again. Found out the other day one of the techs at work was running Linux without the adminstrations permission. Whatever |
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