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Upgrade from Ti4200
I've currently got a Ti 4200 128Mb and I'm fairly happy with it, but I want
to treat myself to a new graphics card this Xmas, I was considering the Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb as I can get it for £195, what Nvidia cards could I get for around that price and how do they compare to the Radeon 9800 Pro? TIA. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003 |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:27:46 -0000, "stu" wrote:
I've currently got a Ti 4200 128Mb and I'm fairly happy with it, but I want to treat myself to a new graphics card this Xmas, I was considering the Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb as I can get it for £195, what Nvidia cards could I get for around that price and how do they compare to the Radeon 9800 Pro? .... in what way ? .....an electric toaster ? .....a doorstop ? ..... able to run MS Office ? .....good at overloading/smoking power-supplies ? .... able to run legacy software ? .... able to run current games ? ..... prospects for running future games ? Read the reviews on Tom's Hardware, Anandtech, etc. As always, the informed PC user makes a best-effort hardware choice based on his/her budget and the types of software that is likely to be most frequently used on the target machine. The NVidia cards in the same price range are likely to be the FX5900 (128Meg, non-Ultra) and the FX5700 Ultra (256Meg). No comments on suitability........... have no idea of your intended application(s)............ However, whether you intended it or not, you have just invited the trolls to come out of from under their bridges........... John Lewis --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003 |
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"stu" wrote in message ...
I've currently got a Ti 4200 128Mb and I'm fairly happy with it, but I want to treat myself to a new graphics card this Xmas, I was considering the Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb as I can get it for £195, what Nvidia cards could I get for around that price and how do they compare to the Radeon 9800 Pro? TIA. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003 mmmm...you could try to seek a FX5950 Ultra ... that is currently nvidia's topcard! Should also be around the same price. The FX5950 is a tad slower as the Radeon 9800 Pro ..... because of design failures. It's a fast card, can do DX9 ...but... only if they go below the DX9 standard. So if you wish a TRUE DX9 card, go for the ATI. If you wish a card every game has no problems with to recognize, go with the nvidia. Ati cards need patches ones in a while because of poorly programmed games :-( |
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"John Lewis" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:27:46 -0000, "stu" wrote: I've currently got a Ti 4200 128Mb and I'm fairly happy with it, but I want to treat myself to a new graphics card this Xmas, I was considering the Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb as I can get it for £195, what Nvidia cards could I get for around that price and how do they compare to the Radeon 9800 Pro? ... in what way ? ....an electric toaster ? ....a doorstop ? .... able to run MS Office ? Yeah John, I'm sure he meant those. Read the reviews on Tom's Hardware, Anandtech, etc. As always, the informed PC user makes a best-effort hardware choice based on his/her budget and the types of software that is likely to be most frequently used on the target machine. Duh! That's obviously why he's here, asking to be informed. |
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(John Lewis) wrote in message ...
On 20 Nov 2003 19:43:16 -0800, (Dark Avenger) wrote: Good morning John Lewis, Hell I like nvidia cards.. and ati cards. But the 9800 XT or Pro is simply bleeting fast and ... wins in several occasions of the FX5950 Ultra. And since many of nvidia drivers have to cheat to get up that level, it would be fair to say that if ATI would make cheat drivers, lower rendering precision under DX9 standards, only do brilinear filtering, Use Prerendered Clipping Frames in benchmarks, then ati cards would leave the FX series 80 miles in the dust. Theoraticly if ATI cheated like Nvidia is cheating now, you can expect atleast 40% higher "performance" IF both are set in a non-cheating area ... the FX loses... loses EASILY. Ya know I hope nvidia comes with good cards again, cards that don't have to cheat.. use mixed mode... lower precision....and use prerendered clipping frames. After all... benchmarks are just benchmarks not.. and GAMES that is where it gets important. And guess what... the design failure ( weak vertex/pixel shaders ) is just ONE of the things that will be extensively used in future games. So even though games NOW are vigilant enough to use mixed precision or mixed mode paths thus giving performance to the FX series. There comes a time where games programmers don't.... and then owning an FX is not a good plan! Atleast not if you are a gamer! And you can call me a troll.. sure.. go ahead.. enjoy your FX card for all it's worth, they are good cards...with a small design failure. Once true DX9 games hit the shells though.... and the Nv40 is there...is nvidia still willingly to build those "optimatilisations" to run DX9 games good. I guess that once the nv40 is there... they do everything to forget the FX period. And with every month after the Nv40...they do less work on "optimalisations" for your FX card. How vigilant do you think game programmers are to keep supporting the "optimalisations" needed.. and invest time in programming them. The FX series FORCES programmers of CURRENT games to build a path especially for the cards. Why...because of a design failure. If the game runs bad on the costumers 400 Dollar card who do you guess get the complaints over them... not nvidia... no..the gamedevelopers! Remember the driver story. 52.16 with very nice 3dmark2003 scores, 3dmark2003 comes with a 340 patch and it craps down on the FX series, then 52.70 comes and the scores are back again. Looks like a cheat to me.....Then again...we know nvidia has to cheat to stay in the game. In current games and upcoming games you can expect the FX series to have a nice performance, how though the performance will be in the future...depends on how much time the nvidia driver department wishes to spend on "optimalisations" |
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... in what way ?
....an electric toaster ? ....a doorstop ? .... able to run MS Office ? ....good at overloading/smoking power-supplies ? ... able to run legacy software ? ... able to run current games ? .... prospects for running future games ? You've got issues. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 06/11/2003 |
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Yep, part of the reason that they are getting such high scores is because
they are translating DX9 commands to DX8.1 commands and that results in higher scores. The 340 patch of 3dmark03 was supposed to work around that so that true performance of the nvidia fx cards could be revealed but nope. Nvidia had to cheat again by fixing their drivers to make the scores get racked up again. For those of you that need another test (and I hope more review sites might start using this) is GL Excess. It is a generic OpenGL test that checks your graphics performance. It is at http://www.glexcess.com/ -- Robert Pendell |
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