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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High Definition
Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision? by Matthew on December 10, 2008 Super Hi-Vision is a technology that was first introduced in 2003. It has various names such as UHDTV (ultra high definition television) and makes 1080p (Full HD) look small. SHV runs at a resolution of 7680 x 4320 pixels which is the equivalent of 16 1080p screens stitched together. According to a report in September from the BBC they say that SHV will be coming to the home around 2015 although many changes can happen in 7 years from now. What they are aiming to do is step up another level to what ever that might be. All we do know is that resolutions will be a lot higher then they are now to give you an even finer image. It’s debatable about how much you will actually notice on screen sizes that are commonly seen in the home. Although it appears that Sony will be introducing the PS4 around 2012 (3 years earlier then SHV), will Sony be preparing the PS4 to handle SHV services? Due to the resolutions of the current SHV tests a bandwidth of 180–600 Mbit/s was needed to display test images in Tokyo. Uncompressed, a 20 minute video would require 3.5Tb of storage. As you can see, Super Hi-Vision will take a lot of resources which are not cheaply available just yet. In 4 years things will be different though and massive amount of data will be handled every second. My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill for the home and won’t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after the PS4’s launch. http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...sion-12105110/ __________________________________________________ _______________________________ If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully, Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU / graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by 2015 though. |
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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High Definition ?Video: 7680 x 4320p ??
In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 NV55 wrote:
Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision? by Matthew on December 10, 2008 Super Hi-Vision is a technology that was first introduced in 2003. It has various names such as UHDTV (ultra high definition television) and makes 1080p (Full HD) look small. SHV runs at a resolution of 7680 x 4320 pixels which is the equivalent of 16 1080p screens stitched together. According to a report in September from the BBC they say that SHV will be coming to the home around 2015 although many changes can happen in 7 years from now. What they are aiming to do is step up another level to what ever that might be. All we do know is that resolutions will be a lot higher then they are now to give you an even finer image. It?s debatable about how much you will actually notice on screen sizes that are commonly seen in the home. Matthew is an idiot if he thinks Sony is even considering this... Let's see... Screens capable of 720p or better still make up - at best - around 30% of the total TVs in the US market, and it's even lower elsewhere. Even the best graphics processors for the PC are topping out at just north of 1080p resolutions - and now you want to seriously do a game that's going to push ~16x the pixels? Not to mention the fact that even the creators of SHV admit that it'll probably never make it into a consumer product - there's no real use for it. Even on a 100" screen, you aren't going to see any real improvement over 1080p which makes SHV a waste of money. Finally, what exactly does Matthew think is going to be available in SHV by then? It's going to be years before the TV studios finish upgrading to HD - and that's only going to be 720p for the most part. It'll be decades before they go 1080p. Blu-ray is 1080p and even that isn't offering enough of an improvement to get folks to jump on board. Video games are mainly in 720p this generation, with the next generation expected to be largely 1080p. What does Matthew think Sony is going to do? Shove 16 Cell processors into the PS4 for the low-low-price of $4000 with an insane $2000 loss on each unit - and I'm being generous here! Although it appears that Sony will be introducing the PS4 around 2012 (3 years earlier then SHV), will Sony be preparing the PS4 to handle SHV services? Due to the resolutions of the current SHV tests a bandwidth of 180?600 Mbit/s was needed to display test images in Tokyo. Uncompressed, a 20 minute video would require 3.5Tb of storage. As you can see, Super Hi-Vision will take a lot of resources which are not cheaply available just yet. In 4 years things will be different though and massive amount of data will be handled every second. Oh sure, in 4 years we'll go from 25GB blu-ray discs to a new removable media capable of storing 25TB. No problem. And all those folks who bought blu-ray already? Bah. **** on them! Who needs 'em? The true high end fans will always be willing to throw away thousands of dollars on each new technology immediatly when it's released. After all, it's only money! My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill for the home and won?t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after the PS4?s launch. http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...sion-12105110/ 10 years from now and we'll still be making the transition to 1080p. I don't think we'll see another transition for the next 20 years, minimum. __________________________________________________ _______________________________ If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully, Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU / graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by 2015 though. They're still no where near 7680x4320 though. In today's technology you'd need roughly 6 to 8 GPUs and over ONE TB of VRAM. Yeah, like that'll be affordable even in 10 years time. Don't forget, console hardware is usually finalized about 2 years before the console is released. So if Sony is seriously going to release the PS4 in 2012, that means it's going to be built with 2010 technology. This so-called journalist is just trying to meet his quota with this utterly useless article. I could have saved the publication a bunch of space by rewriting the "article" thusly: "Is Sony considering SHV for the PS4?" No. End of article. -- It's not broken. It's...advanced. |
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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High Definition Video: 7680 x 4320p ??
"NV55" wrote in message ... __________________________________________________ _______________________________ If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully, Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU / graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by 2015 though. the ps3 can't even do 1080p for most games - and most 720p ones can't stick to a steady 60fps - so they should work on 60fps 1080p games before attempting more. -- Gareth. that fly...... is your magic wand.... |
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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High Definition
I do not think that the PS4 will support SHV, but I believe that it could. I find great humor in Doug's reply, in that he exaggerates many things. It'll be decades before they go 1080p. Really? It's going to be 2028 before television is generally broadcasting in 1080p? I'm interested to see you justify this claim with some supporting documentation. Shove 16 Cell processors into the PS4 for the low-low-price of $4000 with an insane $2000 loss on each unit - and I'm being generous here! You're not being generous, your being sensational and patently inaccurate. The cost to produce a PS3 dropped from ~$800 at launch to $400 in January of 2008. That's a ~50% reduction over approximately 14 months. I can't find any newer data, nearly a year later, but it stands to reason that it is significantly less than $400 today. You're projecting that the production cost for the hardware will be the same in 2011 or 2012 as in early 2008? 10 years from now and we'll still be making the transition to 1080p. I don't think we'll see another transition for the next 20 years, minimum. Do you realize that DVD was launched in the US in 1998? Blu-Ray was launched in 2006 (first titles released). 8 years later. You're suggesting that it's going to be more twice that much time before the next "transition"? I think that Sony *could* push the issue and release a PS4 with SHV capabilities. That is to say, it would likely delay their desired release to the 2012 or 2013 timeframe, but it's possible. In doing so, I believe that it would be ahead of the curve relative the to SHV media available in much the same way that the PS3 was with Blu-Ray. I don't EXPECT that to be their strategy, but I would be very surprised if it wasn't at least discussed/explored. Such a decision has likely already been made and it was probably decided that the PS4 will do current-gen HD, possibly with A/V bells and whistles that make it look better than the PS3. -- CHA1N5 |
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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High
On Dec 11, 1:45*pm, NV55 wrote:
Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision? My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill for the home and won’t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after the PS4’s launch. http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...r-hi-vision-12... __________________________________________________ _______________________________ If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. *Thankfully, Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU / graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. * It shouldn't be a problem by 2015 though. It is insane NOT to stick to 1080p and perfect it for about all gaming. Get it right, get it gorgeous, and make sure it fully works. If they want to throw in such resolution AS AN OPTION, that is fine. But they really should target 1080p as the base. - Rich |
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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High
On Dec 11, 12:36*pm, "The dog from that film you saw"
wrote: "NV55" wrote in message ... __________________________________________________ _________________________ ______ If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. *Thankfully, Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU / graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. * It shouldn't be a problem by 2015 though. I'm really looking forward to seeing a console at BestBuy with a $1500 sticker price. -goro- |
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Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High Definition Video: 7680 x 4320p ??
"Rich Hutnik" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 1:45 pm, NV55 wrote: Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision? My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill for the home and won’t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after the PS4’s launch. http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...r-hi-vision-12... __________________________________________________ _______________________________ If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully, Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU / graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond 1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by 2015 though. It is insane NOT to stick to 1080p and perfect it for about all gaming. Get it right, get it gorgeous, and make sure it fully works. If they want to throw in such resolution AS AN OPTION, that is fine. But they really should target 1080p as the base. - Rich It's just pointless and stupid. You would need like a 200" TV screen for a resolution like this to even matter. Who in their right mind would have screens this size in there home. Maybe if you have a huge wall you could use as a screen, but the market for such a size of screen is SMALL. Sure commercial screens outside on buildings is one thing, but it'll NEVER be used for a game console. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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