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Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Please enlighten me



 
 
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Old December 31st 06, 11:25 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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"John Smith" wrote in message . ..
I have been using Matrox cards since the early 1990s. My sole reason is
their superlative text quality.

I just built a new PC based on the PCI-e spec running Windows Vista. I have
Vista Enterprise thru my company.

Because I wanted to run the Vista Aero color scheme, I opted for a card that
has 256 mb of memory - an excellent card from Gigabyte that uses the NVidia
7600GT engine - GIGA N 7600GT GV-NX76T256D-RH R

I can only say that compared w/my Matrox 650 and before that 550 and before
that 450 and before that the Mystique, the text on this card is blurry. Its
not even close. The only way is was even marginally acceptable was to turn
on cleartype which I have always disliked.

I just don't get it especially since the Matrix 650 PCIe card w/128mb is
based on the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT chipset (according to CNet).


What monitor are you using, and at what resolutions/refresh rates?


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Old December 31st 06, 11:54 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
John Smith
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Please enlighten me

Dell Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW - 1920 x 1200 - the monitor is listed as
generic PNP in windows since I doubt that Dell has a vista driver.

Running with the Matrox card under XP w/the same monitor had better text,
pristine almost and no issue w/refresh of graphics objects in emails.




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"John Smith" wrote in message
. ..
I have been using Matrox cards since the early 1990s. My sole reason is
their superlative text quality.

I just built a new PC based on the PCI-e spec running Windows Vista. I
have
Vista Enterprise thru my company.

Because I wanted to run the Vista Aero color scheme, I opted for a card
that
has 256 mb of memory - an excellent card from Gigabyte that uses the
NVidia
7600GT engine - GIGA N 7600GT GV-NX76T256D-RH R

I can only say that compared w/my Matrox 650 and before that 550 and
before
that 450 and before that the Mystique, the text on this card is blurry.
Its
not even close. The only way is was even marginally acceptable was to
turn
on cleartype which I have always disliked.

I just don't get it especially since the Matrix 650 PCIe card w/128mb is
based on the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT chipset (according to CNet).


What monitor are you using, and at what resolutions/refresh rates?



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Old December 31st 06, 11:59 AM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Lasse Jensen
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Please enlighten me

John Smith wrote:

I just don't get it especially since the Matrix 650 PCIe card w/128mb is
based on the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT chipset (according to CNet).


WHAT? Do you have a link? Can't find it on CNET.

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Old December 31st 06, 12:24 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Benjamin Gawert
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Pleaseenlighten me

Since my news server doesn't show the original message (yet) so I have
to put my reply here.

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"John Smith" wrote in message . ..
I have been using Matrox cards since the early 1990s. My sole reason is
their superlative text quality.


Well, "text quality" is equal in all gfx cards since the use of gfx card
fonts has stopped with the increasing use of graphical desktops like
Windows 3.0...

The only thing Matrox cards were really good has been the analog signal
quality. But today with flat panels connected vie DVI this is a
no-brainer anymore, and in all other areas Matrox just sux...

I just built a new PC based on the PCI-e spec running Windows Vista. I have
Vista Enterprise thru my company.

Because I wanted to run the Vista Aero color scheme, I opted for a card that
has 256 mb of memory - an excellent card from Gigabyte that uses the NVidia
7600GT engine - GIGA N 7600GT GV-NX76T256D-RH R


Nice card, but the analog signal quality is average at best...

I can only say that compared w/my Matrox 650 and before that 550 and before
that 450 and before that the Mystique, the text on this card is blurry. Its
not even close. The only way is was even marginally acceptable was to turn
on cleartype which I have always disliked.


You wrote you are using an Dell 2405FPW. Do don't have connected this
monitor via the VGA cable, do you? You should use the DVI connection as
connecting a 24" TFT display via VGA is just silly because it affects
image quality while DVI does not.

And of course you're running the correct resolution (1920x1200), don't
you? Because only the native resolution looks really good on a TFT
display...

I just don't get it especially since the Matrix 650 PCIe card w/128mb is
based on the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT chipset (according to CNet).


That's BS. Matrox doesn't use Nvidia chipsets, they use their own
outdated GPUs. But analog image quality has nothing to do with the GPU...

Benjamin
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Old December 31st 06, 12:28 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Please enlighten me

Make sure you're using a DVI cable (not analog) and that
your resolution is native for that monitor. Experiment with
different refresh rates and see if it makes any difference.

"John Smith" wrote in message . ..
Dell Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW - 1920 x 1200 - the monitor is listed as
generic PNP in windows since I doubt that Dell has a vista driver.

Running with the Matrox card under XP w/the same monitor had better text,
pristine almost and no issue w/refresh of graphics objects in emails.




wrote in message
om...
"John Smith" wrote in message
. ..
I have been using Matrox cards since the early 1990s. My sole reason is
their superlative text quality.

I just built a new PC based on the PCI-e spec running Windows Vista. I
have
Vista Enterprise thru my company.

Because I wanted to run the Vista Aero color scheme, I opted for a card
that
has 256 mb of memory - an excellent card from Gigabyte that uses the
NVidia
7600GT engine - GIGA N 7600GT GV-NX76T256D-RH R

I can only say that compared w/my Matrox 650 and before that 550 and
before
that 450 and before that the Mystique, the text on this card is blurry.
Its
not even close. The only way is was even marginally acceptable was to
turn
on cleartype which I have always disliked.

I just don't get it especially since the Matrix 650 PCIe card w/128mb is
based on the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT chipset (according to CNet).


What monitor are you using, and at what resolutions/refresh rates?





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Old December 31st 06, 01:25 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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http://reviews.cnet.com/Matrox_Mille...2.html?tag=sub



Lasse Jensen wrote:

John Smith wrote:

I just don't get it especially since the Matrix 650 PCIe card w/128mb is
based on the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT chipset (according to CNet).


WHAT? Do you have a link? Can't find it on CNET.

--
Lasse Jensen [fafler at g mail dot com]
Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.


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Old December 31st 06, 02:54 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Benjamin Gawert
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Pleaseenlighten me

* Conor:

Well, "text quality" is equal in all gfx cards since the use of gfx card
fonts has stopped with the increasing use of graphical desktops like
Windows 3.0...

********.


What an argument. Get a clue first! Gfx card specific fonts are not used
anymore since the days of Windows 3.0...

The only thing Matrox cards were really good has been the analog signal
quality. But today with flat panels connected vie DVI this is a
no-brainer anymore, and in all other areas Matrox just sux...

Except 2D speed as they always have excelled.


What a BS. The 2D performance of all gfx cards made during the last 9
years or so is around the same. And no, even Matrox is not faster in 2D...

Benjamin
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Old December 31st 06, 03:37 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Conor
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Please enlighten me

In article , Benjamin Gawert
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* Conor:

Well, "text quality" is equal in all gfx cards since the use of gfx card
fonts has stopped with the increasing use of graphical desktops like
Windows 3.0...

********.


What an argument. Get a clue first! Gfx card specific fonts are not used
anymore since the days of Windows 3.0...

No, really? Ever owned a Matrox card?


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Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart
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Old December 31st 06, 03:47 PM posted to alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Benjamin Gawert
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Default Vista and Graphics - Is Matrox really that good for text? - Pleaseenlighten me

* Conor:

No, really? Ever owned a Matrox card?


I have two Milleniums, one G200, three G450, two G550 and one P650. So
yes, I ever owned a Matrox card, and I know what they can do and what
not. And now?

Benjamin
 




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