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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
Two of us are in slight contention over possible damage to a computer.
We are hoping that the collective brains of this group might resolve the issue. Both of us have agreed this text. One of us is A. and lives in the same building as B, the owner of the computer. At issue is: What is the probability that by his actions A caused the damage described to B's computer. WHAT A. DID. A number of wires passed through a conservatory roof where A lives. These were mainly phone cables but also two TV aerial cables. Most of the phone wires went into a junction box then out of the junction box and back out through the roof. One of the points where the wires passed through the roof allowed rainwater to leak into the building. Knowing some of the wires to be redundant and believing them all to be so A. cut through them all and pulled them all back outside the roof. The two holes were then sealed. WHAT B. DID. On the same morning that A. did the above, B. tried to make a phone call but was unable and reported a fault to the phone engineer. On further investigatation B. discovered his phone wires were cut. "Gosh!" thought B. B. met A. and enquired after the state of A's phone, whereupon A. explained what he had done. "Oh dear!" they both said. WHAT A. AND B. THEN DID. They agreed that, between the two of them, they might manage to re-establish B's connection by trial and error. From among the tangle of chopped wires they believed they might be able to reverse the vasectomy. At first attempt they got a dialling tone, albeit with some background noise. At this point they believed they had basically solved the problem, even though B was still unable to make or receive a calls. WHAT B. THEN DID. B. decided to test his internet connection. B. connected his modem to his pc and booted up in the usual manner. Boot-up went as normal, and everything appeared OK. However, when B. tried to go online [AOL broadband] it appeared that there was no connection. B. thought no more of the matter and pottered about for about an hour. On returning to his pc the screen was all white with grey vertical bands and some red stripes. Next day an engineer put the matter right. What A and B had in fact done was reconnect to the wrong line. However, even with the now properly restored phone connection B's pc still had the weird grey with red stripes display. Seeking advice among friends the view seemed to be a knackered video card. One person suggested that if the incorrect connection had been to an ISDN line, "which carries twice the voltage of a normal phone line" that could somehow have fried the video card's brain. A different monitor was tried with the same result, thus eliminating the monitor as the problem. THEREFO I refer the right honourable members to my initial question; what is the probability that A damaged B's computer or B's video card either by a] initially chopping through the wires or b] by inadvertently connecting them to the wrong ones? B's pc is a Pentium iv, slot one running on XP. The video card is an Nvidia GForce 4. Many thanks for any help and/or advice! A. and B. |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
'A. and B.' wrote, in part:
| What is the probability that by his actions A caused the damage | described to B's computer. Try posing your question again. Eliminate the irrelevant information. Don't make the post a committee effort. Ask a straightforward question. Phil Weldon wrote in message ... | Two of us are in slight contention over possible damage to a computer. | We are hoping that the collective brains of this group might resolve | the issue. Both of us have agreed this text. One of us is A. and lives | in the same building as B, the owner of the computer. At issue is: | | | WHAT A. DID. A number of wires passed through a conservatory roof | where A lives. These were mainly phone cables but also two TV aerial | cables. Most of the phone wires went into a junction box then out of | the junction box and back out through the roof. One of the points | where the wires passed through the roof allowed rainwater to leak into | the building. Knowing some of the wires to be redundant and believing | them all to be so A. cut through them all and pulled them all back | outside the roof. The two holes were then sealed. | | WHAT B. DID. On the same morning that A. did the above, B. tried to | make a phone call but was unable and reported a fault to the phone | engineer. On further investigatation B. discovered his phone wires | were cut. "Gosh!" thought B. B. met A. and enquired after the state of | A's phone, whereupon A. explained what he had done. "Oh dear!" they | both said. | | WHAT A. AND B. THEN DID. They agreed that, between the two of them, | they might manage to re-establish B's connection by trial and error. | From among the tangle of chopped wires they believed they might be | able to reverse the vasectomy. At first attempt they got a dialling | tone, albeit with some background noise. At this point they believed | they had basically solved the problem, even though B was still unable | to make or receive a calls. | | WHAT B. THEN DID. B. decided to test his internet connection. B. | connected his modem to his pc and booted up in the usual manner. | Boot-up went as normal, and everything appeared OK. However, when B. | tried to go online [AOL broadband] it appeared that there was no | connection. B. thought no more of the matter and pottered about for | about an hour. On returning to his pc the screen was all white with | grey vertical bands and some red stripes. | | Next day an engineer put the matter right. What A and B had in fact | done was reconnect to the wrong line. However, even with the now | properly restored phone connection B's pc still had the weird grey | with red stripes display. Seeking advice among friends the view seemed | to be a knackered video card. One person suggested that if the | incorrect connection had been to an ISDN line, "which carries twice | the voltage of a normal phone line" that could somehow have fried the | video card's brain. A different monitor was tried with the same | result, thus eliminating the monitor as the problem. | | THEREFO I refer the right honourable members to my initial | question; what is the probability that A damaged B's computer or B's | video card either by a] initially chopping through the wires or b] by | inadvertently connecting them to the wrong ones? | | B's pc is a Pentium iv, slot one running on XP. The video card is an | Nvidia GForce 4. | | Many thanks for any help and/or advice! | | A. and B. | | | |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
I would have thought at worst a fried modem but who knows???
wrote in message ... Two of us are in slight contention over possible damage to a computer. We are hoping that the collective brains of this group might resolve the issue. Both of us have agreed this text. One of us is A. and lives in the same building as B, the owner of the computer. At issue is: What is the probability that by his actions A caused the damage described to B's computer. WHAT A. DID. A number of wires passed through a conservatory roof where A lives. These were mainly phone cables but also two TV aerial cables. Most of the phone wires went into a junction box then out of the junction box and back out through the roof. One of the points where the wires passed through the roof allowed rainwater to leak into the building. Knowing some of the wires to be redundant and believing them all to be so A. cut through them all and pulled them all back outside the roof. The two holes were then sealed. WHAT B. DID. On the same morning that A. did the above, B. tried to make a phone call but was unable and reported a fault to the phone engineer. On further investigatation B. discovered his phone wires were cut. "Gosh!" thought B. B. met A. and enquired after the state of A's phone, whereupon A. explained what he had done. "Oh dear!" they both said. WHAT A. AND B. THEN DID. They agreed that, between the two of them, they might manage to re-establish B's connection by trial and error. From among the tangle of chopped wires they believed they might be able to reverse the vasectomy. At first attempt they got a dialling tone, albeit with some background noise. At this point they believed they had basically solved the problem, even though B was still unable to make or receive a calls. WHAT B. THEN DID. B. decided to test his internet connection. B. connected his modem to his pc and booted up in the usual manner. Boot-up went as normal, and everything appeared OK. However, when B. tried to go online [AOL broadband] it appeared that there was no connection. B. thought no more of the matter and pottered about for about an hour. On returning to his pc the screen was all white with grey vertical bands and some red stripes. Next day an engineer put the matter right. What A and B had in fact done was reconnect to the wrong line. However, even with the now properly restored phone connection B's pc still had the weird grey with red stripes display. Seeking advice among friends the view seemed to be a knackered video card. One person suggested that if the incorrect connection had been to an ISDN line, "which carries twice the voltage of a normal phone line" that could somehow have fried the video card's brain. A different monitor was tried with the same result, thus eliminating the monitor as the problem. THEREFO I refer the right honourable members to my initial question; what is the probability that A damaged B's computer or B's video card either by a] initially chopping through the wires or b] by inadvertently connecting them to the wrong ones? B's pc is a Pentium iv, slot one running on XP. The video card is an Nvidia GForce 4. Many thanks for any help and/or advice! A. and B. |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
In article , says...
One person suggested that if the incorrect connection had been to an ISDN line, "which carries twice the voltage of a normal phone line" that could somehow have fried the video card's brain. Well that's pure bull**** for a start. -- Conor "I have as much authority as the pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it" - George Carlin |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
is the modem a usb one? it wouldn't have been connected to a monitor through
usb ports on the monitor?? |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
Thanks for the post pip
Duncan On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:55:35 GMT, "pjp" wrote: I would have thought at worst a fried modem but who knows??? wrote in message ... Two of us are in slight contention over possible damage to a computer. We are hoping that the collective brains of this group might resolve the issue. Both of us have agreed this text. One of us is A. and lives in the same building as B, the owner of the computer. At issue is: What is the probability that by his actions A caused the damage described to B's computer. WHAT A. DID. A number of wires passed through a conservatory roof where A lives. These were mainly phone cables but also two TV aerial cables. Most of the phone wires went into a junction box then out of the junction box and back out through the roof. One of the points where the wires passed through the roof allowed rainwater to leak into the building. Knowing some of the wires to be redundant and believing them all to be so A. cut through them all and pulled them all back outside the roof. The two holes were then sealed. WHAT B. DID. On the same morning that A. did the above, B. tried to make a phone call but was unable and reported a fault to the phone engineer. On further investigatation B. discovered his phone wires were cut. "Gosh!" thought B. B. met A. and enquired after the state of A's phone, whereupon A. explained what he had done. "Oh dear!" they both said. WHAT A. AND B. THEN DID. They agreed that, between the two of them, they might manage to re-establish B's connection by trial and error. From among the tangle of chopped wires they believed they might be able to reverse the vasectomy. At first attempt they got a dialling tone, albeit with some background noise. At this point they believed they had basically solved the problem, even though B was still unable to make or receive a calls. WHAT B. THEN DID. B. decided to test his internet connection. B. connected his modem to his pc and booted up in the usual manner. Boot-up went as normal, and everything appeared OK. However, when B. tried to go online [AOL broadband] it appeared that there was no connection. B. thought no more of the matter and pottered about for about an hour. On returning to his pc the screen was all white with grey vertical bands and some red stripes. Next day an engineer put the matter right. What A and B had in fact done was reconnect to the wrong line. However, even with the now properly restored phone connection B's pc still had the weird grey with red stripes display. Seeking advice among friends the view seemed to be a knackered video card. One person suggested that if the incorrect connection had been to an ISDN line, "which carries twice the voltage of a normal phone line" that could somehow have fried the video card's brain. A different monitor was tried with the same result, thus eliminating the monitor as the problem. THEREFO I refer the right honourable members to my initial question; what is the probability that A damaged B's computer or B's video card either by a] initially chopping through the wires or b] by inadvertently connecting them to the wrong ones? B's pc is a Pentium iv, slot one running on XP. The video card is an Nvidia GForce 4. Many thanks for any help and/or advice! A. and B. |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
Thanks for the post John
The probability of damaging the video board under the circumstances you describe without damaging a lot of other stuff including the modem is vanishingly small unless there's something very unusual about the way the video board is connected. I don't want to quite say it's impossible but I would be hard-pressed to come up with a mechanism by which it could happen. Dumb question--did you shut the machine down, unplug it from the mains, let it sit for a couple of minutes and then power it back up? If not, try that. Make sure you unplug it and wait at least a full minute by the clock. Doesn't strike me as a dumb question! - not half as dumb as chopping through a bunch of live phone wires! and I should know as I was the chopper! But I will pass on your suggestion about unplugging etc. We're going to put in a different video card to try and eliminate another variable. Thanks again Duncan |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
Thanks for the post Carl. I'm not sure about the answer, but I assume
it was connected via usb to the pc. But I'll ask. Meanwhile we are going to put in a different video card and see if that does the trick. Thanks again Duncan On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:25:50 +0100, "Carl" wrote: is the modem a usb one? it wouldn't have been connected to a monitor through usb ports on the monitor?? |
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When A chopped through B's phone wires...
wrote in message ... Two of us are in slight contention over possible damage to a computer. We are hoping that the collective brains of this group might resolve the issue. Both of us have agreed this text. One of us is A. and lives in the same building as B, the owner of the computer. At issue is: What is the probability that by his actions A caused the damage described to B's computer. This is quite simple. The entire episode is due to the initial (rather silly) actions of A, therefore the probability is high the A (whether directly or indirectly) is responsible for the damage to said computer, based on ..... WHAT A. DID.Knowing some of the wires to be redundant and believing them all to be so A. cut through them all ..... in best simpson-esque .... DOH!!! Al. |
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