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x800xl and Far Cry, disasterous!
....WHAT - A - DISASTER!!! My tech specs: WinXP home SP2 Abit IS7 mobo P4c HT 2.60ghz 1 gb Kingston Dual channel PC3200/DDR400 Value RAM Maxtor 80gb 7200rpm/8mb on a seralell (Siralell?) adapter Maxtor 40gb 7200/2MB storage disc New Pioneer DVD drive Sony burner x800xl AGP made by ATI, 256/256bit 400gpu / 980RAM... -- Product ID: 100-435508 -- using Omega 5.9 drivers only, thus far On first attempt, using the fully upgraded Far Cry 1.33, the computer shuts down fully, power all the way off, taking much MB electricity with it, as takes 3 minutes to be able to turn it on again. This happens time after time and it played fine, if a little slow, using the old GF4 Ti4600. by Chaintech. After the second occurance I increased the AGP voltage by a half a point as well as the same for the P4 CPU... then I was able to start the game and play a while at increased graphics levels and some types shadows for smaller objects were not black, but green and yellow. When driving a vehicle it froze after a while, then it was all over for good, and same story. I must have worked with this for 5 hours, and gone through 25 restarts... Anyone know what can be done before I grab a replacement RMA? TIA all, -- Giant_Alex cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com |
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AAvK wrote in message ... ...WHAT - A - DISASTER!!! My tech specs: WinXP home SP2 Abit IS7 mobo P4c HT 2.60ghz 1 gb Kingston Dual channel PC3200/DDR400 Value RAM Maxtor 80gb 7200rpm/8mb on a seralell (Siralell?) adapter Maxtor 40gb 7200/2MB storage disc New Pioneer DVD drive Sony burner x800xl AGP made by ATI, 256/256bit 400gpu / 980RAM... -- Product ID: 100-435508 -- using Omega 5.9 drivers only, thus far On first attempt, using the fully upgraded Far Cry 1.33, the computer shuts down fully, power all the way off, taking much MB electricity with it, as takes 3 minutes to be able to turn it on again. This happens time after time and it played fine, if a little slow, using the old GF4 Ti4600. by Chaintech. After the second occurance I increased the AGP voltage by a half a point as well as the same for the P4 CPU... then I was able to start the game and play a while at increased graphics levels and some types shadows for smaller objects were not black, but green and yellow. When driving a vehicle it froze after a while, then it was all over for good, and same story. I must have worked with this for 5 hours, and gone through 25 restarts... Anyone know what can be done before I grab a replacement RMA? TIA all, -- Giant_Alex cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com It's probably related to your power supply. You are probably using too much power for it to handle. anything less than 350 watt power supply and you are asking for trouble. If you have alot drives etc then a 450 watt PSU would be the go. |
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It's probably related to your power supply. You are probably using too much power for it to handle. anything less than 350 watt power supply and you are asking for trouble. If you have alot drives etc then a 450 watt PSU would be the go. Thanks but that's what I've got, 450 watts and it is plugged into the card. No other game besides Far Cry shuts the computer down. -- Giant_Alex cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com |
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...WHAT - A - DISASTER!!!
My tech specs: WinXP home SP2 Abit IS7 mobo P4c HT 2.60ghz 1 gb Kingston Dual channel PC3200/DDR400 Value RAM Maxtor 80gb 7200rpm/8mb on a seralell (Siralell?) adapter Maxtor 40gb 7200/2MB storage disc New Pioneer DVD drive Sony burner x800xl AGP made by ATI, 256/256bit 400gpu / 980RAM... -- Product ID: 100-435508 -- using Omega 5.9 drivers only, thus far On first attempt, using the fully upgraded Far Cry 1.33, the computer shuts down fully, power all the way off, taking much MB electricity with it, as takes 3 minutes to be able to turn it on again. This happens time after time and it played fine, if a little slow, using the old GF4 Ti4600. by Chaintech. After the second occurance I increased the AGP voltage by a half a point as well as the same for the P4 CPU... then I was able to start the game and play a while at increased graphics levels and some types shadows for smaller objects were not black, but green and yellow. When driving a vehicle it froze after a while, then it was all over for good, and same story. I must have worked with this for 5 hours, and gone through 25 restarts... Anyone know what can be done before I grab a replacement RMA? Use all "default" settings for mobo and graphics card. Use default ATI drivers and not Omega. And make certain it's not the PSU. A poor 450W unit will cough and splutter . I found this out a while back with mine. It was a no name cheap-o and with 2 burners, 2 Kingston RAM modules, ATI X800PRO, USB devices etc, etc..it would freeze playing certain games. Far Cry was one. |
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AAvK wrote:
It's probably related to your power supply. You are probably using too much power for it to handle. anything less than 350 watt power supply and you are asking for trouble. If you have alot drives etc then a 450 watt PSU would be the go. Thanks but that's what I've got, 450 watts and it is plugged into the card. No other game besides Far Cry shuts the computer down. What's the make and model of that PSU? -- Derek |
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It'll definately be the power supply - we had a problem with an nVidia
card and a 450W PSU, the games ran OK but when playing Far Cry for two hours the PSU blew up (obviously the PSU was being overdriven and wasn't regulated poroperly) ! We now have a 750W PSU and everything is fine - If you wish to maintain cutting edge performance without continually replacing PSU you're probably better getting a 1KW PSU :-) "AAvK" wrote in message news:VXo1f.630$UF4.88@fed1read02... It's probably related to your power supply. You are probably using too much power for it to handle. anything less than 350 watt power supply and you are asking for trouble. If you have alot drives etc then a 450 watt PSU would be the go. Thanks but that's what I've got, 450 watts and it is plugged into the card. No other game besides Far Cry shuts the computer down. -- Giant_Alex cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com |
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:05:26 +0200, "fanni001"
wrote: ...WHAT - A - DISASTER!!! My tech specs: WinXP home SP2 Abit IS7 mobo P4c HT 2.60ghz 1 gb Kingston Dual channel PC3200/DDR400 Value RAM Maxtor 80gb 7200rpm/8mb on a seralell (Siralell?) adapter Maxtor 40gb 7200/2MB storage disc New Pioneer DVD drive Sony burner x800xl AGP made by ATI, 256/256bit 400gpu / 980RAM... -- Product ID: 100-435508 -- using Omega 5.9 drivers only, thus far On first attempt, using the fully upgraded Far Cry 1.33, the computer shuts down fully, power all the way off, taking much MB electricity with it, as takes 3 minutes to be able to turn it on again. This happens time after time and it played fine, if a little slow, using the old GF4 Ti4600. by Chaintech. After the second occurance I increased the AGP voltage by a half a point as well as the same for the P4 CPU... then I was able to start the game and play a while at increased graphics levels and some types shadows for smaller objects were not black, but green and yellow. When driving a vehicle it froze after a while, then it was all over for good, and same story. I must have worked with this for 5 hours, and gone through 25 restarts... Anyone know what can be done before I grab a replacement RMA? Use all "default" settings for mobo and graphics card. Use default ATI drivers and not Omega. And make certain it's not the PSU. A poor 450W unit will cough and splutter . I found this out a while back with mine. It was a no name cheap-o and with 2 burners, 2 Kingston RAM modules, ATI X800PRO, USB devices etc, etc..it would freeze playing certain games. Far Cry was one. My system: Abit NF7-S with 3200+ cpu, 2 GB ram dual channel, ATI X850 XT, 3 maxtor drives, 2 CD/DVD burners, usb webcam, ethernet card, usb 2.0 self powered hub, ATI TV Tuner PCI, HP parallel port printer, usb webcam and I think all the rest is plugged into the usb hub. The system is powered by an Antec 480W True Power supply. I am running Windows XP Pro SP2 and the latest ATI driver. As luck would have it I bought a new mouse (Logtech G5) and installed the Far Cry demo to give it a try. The mouse acted very strangely and slowed down many times. I played around with the mouse a bit but I could not get this game to work properly. Since the mouse works as advertised with other games like Unreal Tournament I blamed Far Cry and uninstalled it. If the problem I am having with Far Cry is caused by my power supply - why does this game need so much power? Also what is the recommended power supply? Thanks, Al |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:13:06 GMT, Al Kaufmann
wrote: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:05:26 +0200, "fanni001" wrote: As luck would have it I bought a new mouse (Logtech G5) and installed the Far Cry demo to give it a try. The mouse acted very strangely and slowed down many times. I played around with the mouse a bit but I could not get this game to work properly. Since the mouse works as advertised with other games like Unreal Tournament I blamed Far Cry and uninstalled it. If the problem I am having with Far Cry is caused by my power supply - why does this game need so much power? Also what is the recommended power supply? The OP was advised it may be a problem with power supply because of the shutdowns. Most new graphics card need 1 or 2 direct power connections and this means a 300w PSU just won't cut it anymore. If you draw too much power the PSU will shutdown to stop it burning out. Equally if you have a too high rated PSU and are not drawing a significant power level the PSU can shutdown, act erratically, or blow it's 12v rails through 'overheating'. This is more of a problem with the cheaper PSUs as they do not have such a stable output. A good test is to use this calculator to see if you have an appropriate level of power; http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/ You want at least 20% more power coming out of your PSU than the calculator says you need to be safe from the typical fluctuations you can get in a PSU, especially cheaper PSUs that might not have a stable power profile. Over 65% more power means you are at risk of damaging your PSU through 'overheating' as it's generating a lot more power than you need. With regard to your problems with FarCry, do you have the Logitech drivers installed as some drivers are known to be flakey (and usually only with some software which makes you scratch your head as to whether it's the software or the drivers causing the problem) ? -- Alfie http://www.delphia.co.uk/ Caution: Always engage brain before operating mouth. |
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'Alfie [UK]' wrote, in part:
| The OP was advised it may be a problem with power supply because of the | shutdowns. Most new graphics card need 1 or 2 direct power connections | and this means a 300w PSU just won't cut it anymore. _____ Your statement 'Most new graphics card need 1 or 2 direct power connections and this means a 300w PSU just won't cut it anymore.' isn't necessarily true; a 300 watt PSU may very will be completely adequate. Your statement 'if you have a too high rated PSU and are not drawing a significant power level the PSU can shutdown, act erratically, or blow it's 12v rails through 'overheating' is not at all true. Your statement| 'You want at least 20% more power coming out of your PSU than the calculator says you need to be safe from the typical fluctuations you can get in a PSU, especially cheaper PSUs that might not have a stable power profile.' makes no sense at all. Your statement 'Over 65% more power means you are at risk of damaging your PSU through 'overheating' as it's generating a lot more power than you need.' is ludicrous. Try a read of http://www.formfactors.org/developer...0Ratified.pdff and http://www.formfactors.org/developer...public_br2.pdf .. Pay particular attention to: "System power supply needs vary widely depending on factors such as the application (that is, for desktop, workstation, or server), intended ambient environment (temperature, line voltage), or motherboard power requirements." Phil Weldon "Alfie [UK]" wrote in message ... | On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:13:06 GMT, Al Kaufmann | wrote: | On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:05:26 +0200, "fanni001" | wrote: | | As luck would have it I bought a new mouse (Logtech G5) and installed | the Far Cry demo to give it a try. The mouse acted very strangely and | slowed down many times. I played around with the mouse a bit but I | could not get this game to work properly. Since the mouse works as | advertised with other games like Unreal Tournament I blamed Far Cry | and uninstalled it. | | If the problem I am having with Far Cry is caused by my power supply - | why does this game need so much power? Also what is the recommended | power supply? | If you draw too | much power the PSU will shutdown to stop it burning out. Equally if you | have a too high rated PSU and are not drawing a significant power level | the PSU can shutdown, act erratically, or blow it's 12v rails through | 'overheating'. This is more of a problem with the cheaper PSUs as they | do not have such a stable output. | | A good test is to use this calculator to see if you have an appropriate | level of power; http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/ | | You want at least 20% more power coming out of your PSU than the | calculator says you need to be safe from the typical fluctuations you | can get in a PSU, especially cheaper PSUs that might not have a stable | power profile. Over 65% more power means you are at risk of damaging | your PSU through 'overheating' as it's generating a lot more power than | you need. | | With regard to your problems with FarCry, do you have the Logitech | drivers installed as some drivers are known to be flakey (and usually | only with some software which makes you scratch your head as to whether | it's the software or the drivers causing the problem) ? | -- | Alfie | http://www.delphia.co.uk/ | Caution: Always engage brain before operating mouth. | |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:51:03 GMT, "Phil Weldon"
wrote: 'Alfie [UK]' wrote, in part: | The OP was advised it may be a problem with power supply because of the | shutdowns. Most new graphics card need 1 or 2 direct power connections | and this means a 300w PSU just won't cut it anymore. _____ Most of that info came from my own experiences when I first put a nVidia Geforce 6800 GPU (requiring 1 additional PSU connection) in my PC, it would often power down for no reason whatsoever, and then trying to find out why. Your statement 'Most new graphics card need 1 or 2 direct power connections and this means a 300w PSU just won't cut it anymore.' isn't necessarily true; a 300 watt PSU may very will be completely adequate. OK, I should have said MAY not cut it anymore. With the new GPUs requiring their own power if you have multiple drives and USB devices you MAY run out of power. The PSU will shut itself down in these situations, pretty much any PSU has a built in fuse for too much power. Your statement 'if you have a too high rated PSU and are not drawing a significant power level the PSU can shutdown, act erratically, or blow it's 12v rails through 'overheating' is not at all true. I stand by this statement, to some degree. I replaced my system with a 500w power system but it would also suffer power downs for no apparent reason. I was advised that my system did not draw enough power and the PSU was invoking power-over management and reducing power output to avoid a 'burn'. Your statement| 'You want at least 20% more power coming out of your PSU than the calculator says you need to be safe from the typical fluctuations you can get in a PSU, especially cheaper PSUs that might not have a stable power profile.' makes no sense at all. Hmm, yes, questionable. The calc suggested 310w used, so I put in a 350w cheapo and when it got hot it would power down. Using the mobo power check, when it was hot the PSU delivered less power, to the point it would trip. I bought a more expensive 350w dual rail PSU and it was much more stable. Your statement 'Over 65% more power means you are at risk of damaging your PSU through 'overheating' as it's generating a lot more power than you need.' is ludicrous. I was advised by others not to put in a 500w PSU as I first wanted to do. Yes PSUs have under-draw protection, but prolonged use at low power levels supposedly reduces the lifetime of the PSU. As the 2nd link you provided states; PSUs MAY not have over-temperature protection, where over-temperature is the result of current overload or fan failure. Try a read of http://www.formfactors.org/developer...0Ratified.pdff and http://www.formfactors.org/developer...public_br2.pdf . Pay particular attention to: "System power supply needs vary widely depending on factors such as the application (that is, for desktop, workstation, or server), intended ambient environment (temperature, line voltage), or motherboard power requirements." -- Alfie http://www.delphia.co.uk/ It's called Irony. You know. Like goldy or silvery, only it's made out of iron. |
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