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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
On May 9, 4:16*pm, "BillW50" wrote:
, Abi Normal wrote: On May 9, 9:18 am, Abi Normal wrote: On May 9, 8:19 am, "BillW50" wrote: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/six-...bjects-and-ver.... Better? So you are a genius with a disability, then? Some tried to tell me that. But I don't see it since some simple tasks are very difficult. And for me, it is grammar. And I used to stutter until my late teens. Oddly enough it seemed to stop after my first beer. Surely just a coincidence, right? LOL So far I don't see it. Thanks for the lecture, I will not say anything about the grammar flukes in the future. No that is okay. I am used to it and it isn't any big deal. ;-) It's also difficult to speculate whether these people were accomplished because of their disability, or in spite of it. People with other types of handicaps were also great achievers. Well from my perspective, it is very easy to identify with. As *some* simple tasks are difficult and *some* supposedly hard tasks are simple. So it makes sense that they would excel in areas that they find very easy to understand. Although they still have to struggle with some supposedly easy tasks. :-( -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 I appreciate your candor here Bill. I can now try to understand the strange way you come across at times. *L* |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
On Mon, 9 May 2011 06:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Ben Myers
wrote: On May 7, 4:15*pm, Russell May wrote: My 2002-vintage computer has a recently-installed CPU and LCD display. The computer locks up with the display pivoted 90 degrees via irotate.exe while playing AVI files using Nero ShowTime, producing a medium-high-pitched sound. The lockup seems to happen only when the display is pivoted. Nero ShowTime is the only program I have which will show AVI movies while the display is pivoted. The last time this happened, CPU temperature was 43 degrees C and CPU utilization was about 30 percent. I reset the computer to recover from these lockups, only to find that CPU hyper-threading is disabled until I restart Windows, which runs very slowly, and then restart the computer and Windows again. Does anyone have suggestions about how to stop this lockup while the display is pivoted? System description Windows 32-bit XP SP3, Nero 6.6 including ShowTime 2.0.1.9, irotate.exe 1.37, Microsoft Security Essentials, 2010 Tune-up Utilities. Dell 2700FP LCD monitor A02, 1600x1200 pixels (pivoted to 1200x1600), 32-bit color, DVI cable. Gigabyte GA-8IEXP motherboard (533MHz FSB), 1.5GB PC-2700 ECC memory. 3.06GHz Pentium 4 CPU (Northwood with hyper-threading). Radeon 9000 AGP-4X video board. Samsung 200GB and 250GB IDE internal drives, Samsung 1.5TB eSATA external drive, SiI 3512 eSATA controller board, 6Mbps DSL via 2-Wire AT&T 2701HG-B gateway. Have you given any thought to using a different piece of software to play the AVI files? Not the Nero one? There are plenty of AVI players around, many of them free and functional... Ben Myers I have been busy since posting the question so I haven't had an opportunity to experiment more. The glitch doesn't happen readily, maybe 15 to 45 minutes into playing an AVI file. I tried VLC, Windows Media Player, and DivX player. All of them put garbage in the window in pivoted mode. Only Nero ShowTime actually makes a viewable image in pivoted mode. Suggestions for other players? The 'medium-high-pitched' sound is somewhere in the 500-1000Hz range. I didn't try to check it when the glitch happened -- I just wanted to stop it. Next time around, I will check it. The sound was fairly loud, maybe coming from the speakers. I didn't check that either. The really odd thing is the glitch's effect on CPU hyper-threading. I can conceive of it disabling hyper-threading but I don't understand why hyper-threading is not re-enabled after a hardware reset and reboot (as evidenced by the BIOS Setup), and even the first time the system goes into Windows (as evidenced by Task Manager), but it is enabled after going into Windows a second time. Hyper-threading is not only disabled: the line in the BIOS Setup screen does not even appear, as if the CPU does not have hyper-threading capability, until the system has gone into Windows once and then restarted a second time. Russ |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
On Mon, 09 May 2011 22:33:16 -0500, Russell May
wrote: On Mon, 9 May 2011 06:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Ben Myers wrote: On May 7, 4:15*pm, Russell May wrote: My 2002-vintage computer has a recently-installed CPU and LCD display. The computer locks up with the display pivoted 90 degrees via irotate.exe while playing AVI files using Nero ShowTime, producing a medium-high-pitched sound. The lockup seems to happen only when the display is pivoted. Nero ShowTime is the only program I have which will show AVI movies while the display is pivoted. The last time this happened, CPU temperature was 43 degrees C and CPU utilization was about 30 percent. I reset the computer to recover from these lockups, only to find that CPU hyper-threading is disabled until I restart Windows, which runs very slowly, and then restart the computer and Windows again. Does anyone have suggestions about how to stop this lockup while the display is pivoted? System description Windows 32-bit XP SP3, Nero 6.6 including ShowTime 2.0.1.9, irotate.exe 1.37, Microsoft Security Essentials, 2010 Tune-up Utilities. Dell 2700FP LCD monitor A02, 1600x1200 pixels (pivoted to 1200x1600), 32-bit color, DVI cable. Gigabyte GA-8IEXP motherboard (533MHz FSB), 1.5GB PC-2700 ECC memory. 3.06GHz Pentium 4 CPU (Northwood with hyper-threading). Radeon 9000 AGP-4X video board. Samsung 200GB and 250GB IDE internal drives, Samsung 1.5TB eSATA external drive, SiI 3512 eSATA controller board, 6Mbps DSL via 2-Wire AT&T 2701HG-B gateway. Have you given any thought to using a different piece of software to play the AVI files? Not the Nero one? There are plenty of AVI players around, many of them free and functional... Ben Myers I have been busy since posting the question so I haven't had an opportunity to experiment more. The glitch doesn't happen readily, maybe 15 to 45 minutes into playing an AVI file. I tried VLC, Windows Media Player, and DivX player. All of them put garbage in the window in pivoted mode. Only Nero ShowTime actually makes a viewable image in pivoted mode. Suggestions for other players? The 'medium-high-pitched' sound is somewhere in the 500-1000Hz range. I didn't try to check it when the glitch happened -- I just wanted to stop it. Next time around, I will check it. The sound was fairly loud, maybe coming from the speakers. I didn't check that either. The really odd thing is the glitch's effect on CPU hyper-threading. I can conceive of it disabling hyper-threading but I don't understand why hyper-threading is not re-enabled after a hardware reset and reboot (as evidenced by the BIOS Setup), and even the first time the system goes into Windows (as evidenced by Task Manager), but it is enabled after going into Windows a second time. Hyper-threading is not only disabled: the line in the BIOS Setup screen does not even appear, as if the CPU does not have hyper-threading capability, until the system has gone into Windows once and then restarted a second time. Russ I experimented a little more tonight. I played an AVI file in pivot mode using Nero ShowTime again. After about 30 minutes, it locked up. First about an 620Hz tone (E-flat) sounded. After a few seconds, about a 470Hz tone (B-flat) and 390Hz tone (G) joined it. My perfect-pitch wife identified the tones. The sound came from the PC speaker. I never use that because I have external speakers. Hyper-threading was not disabled after reset and reboot this time, so symptoms were a little different from previously. Russ |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
Russell May wrote:
I experimented a little more tonight. I played an AVI file in pivot mode using Nero ShowTime again. After about 30 minutes, it locked up. First about an 620Hz tone (E-flat) sounded. After a few seconds, about a 470Hz tone (B-flat) and 390Hz tone (G) joined it. My perfect-pitch wife identified the tones. The sound came from the PC speaker. I never use that because I have external speakers. Hyper-threading was not disabled after reset and reboot this time, so symptoms were a little different from previously. Russ (Second attempt to send this...) You may want to play with how the video is rendered. For example. look for the word "Showtime" on this page. http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/ind...er&f=10&t=7755 They make reference to things like Hardware Overlay (typically you can only have one of those running at a time on the computer), VMR7, or VMR9. The latter two are part of Microsoft DirectX. It's possible you have a bug somewhere in one of those modes, but not some other. I can't tell you exactly where to look for those. I tried a Nero manual, but the setting didn't seem to be in Nero. Some programs, when playing video, use the same CODEC path as Windows Media Player might. And then, it is possible the overlay setting for video rendering, is actually in some other place than inside Nero itself. (Like a Windows Media Player preference.) You can try changing the "Hardware Acceleration" slider for the display, like turning it all the way down as a test. That might also result in an alternative rendering plane being used for video. Perhaps some change like that, will stop the crashing. It sounds like the program itself is going nuts, or some data structure is overwriting program code, and the program is jumping off into space. Each Windows OS, has developed increasingly sophisticated mechanisms to stop that from happening (like NX or No Execute bit for virtual to physical memory mapping), and those are ways for the OS to stop something that has "jumped into space". Paul |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
On Wed, 11 May 2011 02:14:13 -0400, Paul wrote:
Russell May wrote: I experimented a little more tonight. I played an AVI file in pivot mode using Nero ShowTime again. After about 30 minutes, it locked up. First about an 620Hz tone (E-flat) sounded. After a few seconds, about a 470Hz tone (B-flat) and 390Hz tone (G) joined it. My perfect-pitch wife identified the tones. The sound came from the PC speaker. I never use that because I have external speakers. Hyper-threading was not disabled after reset and reboot this time, so symptoms were a little different from previously. Russ (Second attempt to send this...) You may want to play with how the video is rendered. For example. look for the word "Showtime" on this page. http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/ind...er&f=10&t=7755 They make reference to things like Hardware Overlay (typically you can only have one of those running at a time on the computer), VMR7, or VMR9. The latter two are part of Microsoft DirectX. It's possible you have a bug somewhere in one of those modes, but not some other. I can't tell you exactly where to look for those. I tried a Nero manual, but the setting didn't seem to be in Nero. Some programs, when playing video, use the same CODEC path as Windows Media Player might. And then, it is possible the overlay setting for video rendering, is actually in some other place than inside Nero itself. (Like a Windows Media Player preference.) You can try changing the "Hardware Acceleration" slider for the display, like turning it all the way down as a test. That might also result in an alternative rendering plane being used for video. Perhaps some change like that, will stop the crashing. It sounds like the program itself is going nuts, or some data structure is overwriting program code, and the program is jumping off into space. Each Windows OS, has developed increasingly sophisticated mechanisms to stop that from happening (like NX or No Execute bit for virtual to physical memory mapping), and those are ways for the OS to stop something that has "jumped into space". Paul I tried reducing display Hardware Acceleration. The third level disables DirectX, Direct3D, cursor, and advanced drawing accelerations. That allows VLC and WMP to play an AVI file in pivot mode. I don't know yet whether it will affect the lockup problem. The Radeon 9000 box says it suports DirectX 8.1 but some program said it was actually using DirectX 9. I thought that was Belarc Advisor, but now Belarc Advisor says nothing about DirectX. Is there something that I can use to report which version of DirectX is actually being used? Might the version be important to this problem? Incidentally, I do not have ATI's Crystal Control Center. I have the ATI driver, ATI Control Panel, and Hydravision (even though I have only one display, the Dell 2007FP). Windows Control Panel says the latter two programs were last used on 11/9/2002. Russ |
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Russell May wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 02:14:13 -0400, Paul wrote: Russell May wrote: I experimented a little more tonight. I played an AVI file in pivot mode using Nero ShowTime again. After about 30 minutes, it locked up. First about an 620Hz tone (E-flat) sounded. After a few seconds, about a 470Hz tone (B-flat) and 390Hz tone (G) joined it. My perfect-pitch wife identified the tones. The sound came from the PC speaker. I never use that because I have external speakers. Hyper-threading was not disabled after reset and reboot this time, so symptoms were a little different from previously. Russ (Second attempt to send this...) You may want to play with how the video is rendered. For example. look for the word "Showtime" on this page. http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/ind...er&f=10&t=7755 They make reference to things like Hardware Overlay (typically you can only have one of those running at a time on the computer), VMR7, or VMR9. The latter two are part of Microsoft DirectX. It's possible you have a bug somewhere in one of those modes, but not some other. I can't tell you exactly where to look for those. I tried a Nero manual, but the setting didn't seem to be in Nero. Some programs, when playing video, use the same CODEC path as Windows Media Player might. And then, it is possible the overlay setting for video rendering, is actually in some other place than inside Nero itself. (Like a Windows Media Player preference.) You can try changing the "Hardware Acceleration" slider for the display, like turning it all the way down as a test. That might also result in an alternative rendering plane being used for video. Perhaps some change like that, will stop the crashing. It sounds like the program itself is going nuts, or some data structure is overwriting program code, and the program is jumping off into space. Each Windows OS, has developed increasingly sophisticated mechanisms to stop that from happening (like NX or No Execute bit for virtual to physical memory mapping), and those are ways for the OS to stop something that has "jumped into space". Paul I tried reducing display Hardware Acceleration. The third level disables DirectX, Direct3D, cursor, and advanced drawing accelerations. That allows VLC and WMP to play an AVI file in pivot mode. I don't know yet whether it will affect the lockup problem. The Radeon 9000 box says it suports DirectX 8.1 but some program said it was actually using DirectX 9. I thought that was Belarc Advisor, but now Belarc Advisor says nothing about DirectX. Is there something that I can use to report which version of DirectX is actually being used? Might the version be important to this problem? Incidentally, I do not have ATI's Crystal Control Center. I have the ATI driver, ATI Control Panel, and Hydravision (even though I have only one display, the Dell 2007FP). Windows Control Panel says the latter two programs were last used on 11/9/2002. Russ Microsoft DirectX comes with it's own utility, called "dxdiag". I tried it just now - Start, Run, dxdiag and a window should open that says DirectX Diagnostic. On the main "System" tab, mine says: directX Version: DirectX 9.0c As far as I know, DirectX can run on top of non-supporting hardware, and a software routine may "fill in the gaps". For example, I had an FX5200 video card on a couple systems, which was "almost DX9" in hardware, but was missing several hardware features. As far as I know, the machines had DirectX 9 running on them. When a 3D game runs, it may have more than one rendering path offered to it. On a system with DirectX 9 installed, the game nay be able to run a DirectX 8 or DirectX 9 path, and the behavior of the game can change considerably. For example, it might take more CPU to run the DirectX 9 path. And some games don't even offer a preference, where you can switch to the less demanding path. So while the "dxdiag" utility will report the installed version of DirectX, it may not report details about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX "The application programmer had to query the available hardware capabilities using a complex system of "cap bits" each tied to a particular hardware feature. For example, a game designed for and running on Direct3D 9 with a graphics adapter driver designed for Direct3D 6 would still work, albeit most likely with degraded functionality." Finding a program to view "cap bits" for OpenGL, seems to be easier than for DirectX. Some games that use OpenGL, would even list the extensions they detected. I don't recollect seeing that for DirectX games. HTH, Paul |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
On May 11, 6:23*am, Russell May wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 02:14:13 -0400, Paul wrote: Russell May wrote: I experimented a little more tonight. I played an AVI file in pivot mode using Nero ShowTime again. After about 30 minutes, it locked up. First about an 620Hz tone (E-flat) sounded. After a few seconds, about a 470Hz tone (B-flat) and 390Hz tone (G) joined it. My perfect-pitch wife identified the tones. The sound came from the PC speaker. I never use that because I have external speakers. Hyper-threading was not disabled after reset and reboot this time, so symptoms were a little different from previously. Russ (Second attempt to send this...) You may want to play with how the video is rendered. For example. look for the word "Showtime" on this page. http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/ind...ient=printer&f... They make reference to things like Hardware Overlay (typically you can only have one of those running at a time on the computer), VMR7, or VMR9. The latter two are part of Microsoft DirectX. It's possible you have a bug somewhere in one of those modes, but not some other. I can't tell you exactly where to look for those. I tried a Nero manual, but the setting didn't seem to be in Nero. Some programs, when playing video, use the same CODEC path as Windows Media Player might. And then, it is possible the overlay setting for video rendering, is actually in some other place than inside Nero itself. (Like a Windows Media Player preference.) You can try changing the "Hardware Acceleration" slider for the display, like turning it all the way down as a test. That might also result in an alternative rendering plane being used for video. Perhaps some change like that, will stop the crashing. It sounds like the program itself is going nuts, or some data structure is overwriting program code, and the program is jumping off into space. Each Windows OS, has developed increasingly sophisticated mechanisms to stop that from happening (like NX or No Execute bit for virtual to physical memory mapping), and those are ways for the OS to stop something that has "jumped into space". * *Paul I tried reducing display Hardware Acceleration. The third level disables DirectX, Direct3D, cursor, and advanced drawing accelerations. That allows VLC and WMP to play an AVI file in pivot mode. I don't know yet whether it will affect the lockup problem. The Radeon 9000 box says it suports DirectX 8.1 but some program said it was actually using DirectX 9. I thought that was Belarc Advisor, but now Belarc Advisor says nothing about DirectX. Is there something that I can use to report which version of DirectX is actually being used? Might the version be important to this problem? Incidentally, I do not have ATI's Crystal Control Center. I have the ATI driver, ATI Control Panel, and Hydravision (even though I have only one display, the Dell 2007FP). Windows Control Panel says the latter two programs were last used on 11/9/2002. Russ Well, possibly updated drivers for the Radeon 9000 would make a difference, along with the Catalyst Control Panel, which provides additional controls and information (like which Direct X is in use). Catalyst Control Panel is yet another kludge that uses the now- misnamed Microsoft DOT-Net, but once one gets over its DOT-Netness and sheer size, it does work as advertised. The Radeon 9000 box says DirectX 8.1, because it was state-of-the-art at the time. Although the word "art" and anything Microsoft is an oxymoron, except for Getty Images. Some of those are truly art... Ben Myers |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
Russell May wrote:
PC Wizard 2005 program says DirectX 9.0c. It also displays poorly in pivot mode without the reduced hardware acceleration, but some of it is readable. Any new R9000 driver apparently is part of Catalyst Control Panel. I have an unused Asus Radeon AH3650 Silent HDMI video board. I installed it in 2008, hoping it would let me play 720p or higher MKV files. It didn't help at all, and I was hit by a severse virus attack about a month later -- days after I had bragged to a friend that I had never been affected by a virus attack. I recovered from that by a three year old system backup, so I put in the R9000 for the backup and it has stayed there ever since. My motherboard has an AGP-4X interface and the AH3650 has an AGP-8X interface but the two seem to function okay together. The AH3650 uses Catalyst Control Panel and DirectX 10. I might try it again instead of a new driver for the R9000. Russ The 3650 could be "UVD+". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVD RV635 Radeon HD 3600 Series UVD+ UVD+ support HDCP for higher resolution video streams. [Of course, whether the card supports HDCP, is another question. During the "HDCP ready" era, there were issues with that.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ocessing_units HD 3650 RV635 PRO Some features on the video cards, are controlled by the bus standard. The video card driver checks the bus standard, and some features become disabled, if ATI feels performance would be compromised by the bus. I found a tool here, that offers a "UVD status" entry. Try playing a video on the 3650, and see if the UVD entry here changes at all. The video player application presumably has to have the software to access and use the feature. http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...ol_v0.9.8.html That program is supposed to have been written by AMD, but I can't find it on the AMD site. (My current computer doesn't have an AMD card in it, so I can't test the program to see what it says. It would laugh at my Nvidia branded card.) Paul |
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Lockup playing AVI file with pivoted display
On Mon, 09 May 2011 22:33:16 -0500, Russell May
wrote: On Mon, 9 May 2011 06:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Ben Myers wrote: On May 7, 4:15*pm, Russell May wrote: My 2002-vintage computer has a recently-installed CPU and LCD display. The computer locks up with the display pivoted 90 degrees via irotate.exe while playing AVI files using Nero ShowTime, producing a medium-high-pitched sound. The lockup seems to happen only when the display is pivoted. Nero ShowTime is the only program I have which will show AVI movies while the display is pivoted. The last time this happened, CPU temperature was 43 degrees C and CPU utilization was about 30 percent. I reset the computer to recover from these lockups, only to find that CPU hyper-threading is disabled until I restart Windows, which runs very slowly, and then restart the computer and Windows again. Does anyone have suggestions about how to stop this lockup while the display is pivoted? System description Windows 32-bit XP SP3, Nero 6.6 including ShowTime 2.0.1.9, irotate.exe 1.37, Microsoft Security Essentials, 2010 Tune-up Utilities. Dell 2700FP LCD monitor A02, 1600x1200 pixels (pivoted to 1200x1600), 32-bit color, DVI cable. Gigabyte GA-8IEXP motherboard (533MHz FSB), 1.5GB PC-2700 ECC memory. 3.06GHz Pentium 4 CPU (Northwood with hyper-threading). Radeon 9000 AGP-4X video board. Samsung 200GB and 250GB IDE internal drives, Samsung 1.5TB eSATA external drive, SiI 3512 eSATA controller board, 6Mbps DSL via 2-Wire AT&T 2701HG-B gateway. Have you given any thought to using a different piece of software to play the AVI files? Not the Nero one? There are plenty of AVI players around, many of them free and functional... Ben Myers I have been busy since posting the question so I haven't had an opportunity to experiment more. The glitch doesn't happen readily, maybe 15 to 45 minutes into playing an AVI file. I tried VLC, Windows Media Player, and DivX player. All of them put garbage in the window in pivoted mode. Only Nero ShowTime actually makes a viewable image in pivoted mode. Suggestions for other players? The 'medium-high-pitched' sound is somewhere in the 500-1000Hz range. I didn't try to check it when the glitch happened -- I just wanted to stop it. Next time around, I will check it. The sound was fairly loud, maybe coming from the speakers. I didn't check that either. The really odd thing is the glitch's effect on CPU hyper-threading. I can conceive of it disabling hyper-threading but I don't understand why hyper-threading is not re-enabled after a hardware reset and reboot (as evidenced by the BIOS Setup), and even the first time the system goes into Windows (as evidenced by Task Manager), but it is enabled after going into Windows a second time. Hyper-threading is not only disabled: the line in the BIOS Setup screen does not even appear, as if the CPU does not have hyper-threading capability, until the system has gone into Windows once and then restarted a second time. Russ I discovered part of why CPU hyper-threading gets defeated: When the computer locks up, the motherboard changes from its normal BIOS (F9) to its backup BIOS (F6) on reboots until the system has gone into Windows once. F6 lacks CPU hyper-threading capability, F9 has it. On subsequent reboots, the motherboard goes back to its normal BIOS (F9). I don't remember exactly how this dual-BIOS switching works. It's something for me to investigate. We have been discussing my computer at home. It uses DirectX 9.0c. Reducing hardware acceleration allows AVI files to be played with VLC and WMP in pivot mode. I tried this on my computer at work using its 2007FP monitor in pivot mode. It is a 3.0GHz Dell Optiplex 755, much faster than my home computer because it has a later dual-core CPU with faster 800MHz FSB, larger cache memory, dual-channel RAM, Radeon 2400 Pro video using DirectX 9.0c. I don't have VLC or Nero ShowTime on it but I was able to play an AVI file in pivot mode with WMP. It produced garbage in the WMP window until I reduced hardware acceleration, but then the computer was very sluggish and the cursor was very jerky which is unlike my home computer with reduced hardware acceleration. I did not run the AVI file very long, so the computer did not lock up. I ran an AVI file in pivot mode using VLC on my my home computer. It locked up after about 35 minutes. Correction to another branch of this tree: The first tone of about 620Hz was produced by the external speakers. The other two tones of about 470Hz and 390Hz were produced by the PC speaker. I ran into a slightly suspicious feature of my computer at home: The Radeon 9000 video board, eSATA controller board, and motherboard USB controller all use IRQ decimal 16. I have been playing AVI files from the external eSATA hard drive. My next experiment will be to see whether it locks up while playing AVI files from an internal IDE drive, which does not use IRQ 16. If I run out of other ideas, I will try changing the video board to an AH3650 next week. Russ |
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Russ, what is your need in pivoting your display on this admitted
antique? You have so many variables here...old architecture being one of them. |
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