IS7: 60c at idle, it is getting hot in here....

I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia tests set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes all the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at 70.

I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the thermal pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but nothing is
working to bring the temps down.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB to 250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto. If I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to clear the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

Tod

At idle, system temp is 38c and pwm is 40c, so I think airflow is okay.

I have tried a few different fan configurations (blowing in, out, etc.).

I made the coat of AS Ceramique as thin as I could. I used a credit card to
scrape it down to the point just before I would have seen some bare metal.
Also, the heat was a few degrees higher when I was using the stock intel
thermal pad.

Tod

"TomG" wrote in message
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maybe you should use Motherboard Monitor and set up monitors for the case
and cpu as well as the PWM. this way, you could determine if your case
airflow (or lack of airflow) is causing the issue.

sure sounds like either the case environment is way too warm or that the
heat sink mounting has an issue. My 2.8c running at 3.4 is around 45 to
47
at idle, depending on the room temps, and peaks under full load at around
60
to 61. Case typically shows around 35 on my system. this is with an
IC7-G
but I have an IS7-G as well and it does fine. for the record, the Abit
boards do read the temperatures a little on the warm side but yours is
still
running much warmer than it should, personal opinion.

your video card isn't a monster either so there isn't a ton of heat coming
off of that card heating up the cpu...
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"Tod DeBie" wrote in message
...
I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying
between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia tests
set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes all
the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at 70.

I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the thermal
pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but
nothing
is
working to bring the temps down.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB to
250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto. If
I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to clear
the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

Tod

the case airflow sounds pretty good... a little warm but not that bad.
other than the possibility of the board reading the temps high, I cannot
understand why you would run so warm other than a heat sink mounting issue.

as for the errors, I personally would think that you would experience
thermal throttling -- things slowing down or halting temporarily -- as
opposed to errors and crashing, as a result of heat since the cpu has built
in protection.

RAM issues, on this board and the IC7-G, are a good possibility. I am not
familiar with your ram and not saying it is of poor quality. many have
experienced problems with stability with name brand -- Corsair and others --
ram on the IC7 and IS7 boards. one thing you can try is to set the memory
timings to the slowest (highest numbers) and be sure to raise the DDR
voltage to 2.7 and possibly a little higher if voltage monitoring indicates
that the actual voltage falls a little short of the set voltage, and see if
that helps with the errors.

run with the cover off the side and a fan blowing in the general direction
of the case and see if you get any significant change in the temps.

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"Tod DeBie" wrote in message
...
At idle, system temp is 38c and pwm is 40c, so I think airflow is okay.

I have tried a few different fan configurations (blowing in, out, etc.).

I made the coat of AS Ceramique as thin as I could. I used a credit card
to
scrape it down to the point just before I would have seen some bare metal.
Also, the heat was a few degrees higher when I was using the stock intel
thermal pad.

Tod

"TomG" wrote in message
news:3xOab.368$N94.3@lakeread02...
maybe you should use Motherboard Monitor and set up monitors for the
case
and cpu as well as the PWM. this way, you could determine if your case
airflow (or lack of airflow) is causing the issue.

sure sounds like either the case environment is way too warm or that the
heat sink mounting has an issue. My 2.8c running at 3.4 is around 45 to
47
at idle, depending on the room temps, and peaks under full load at
around
60
to 61. Case typically shows around 35 on my system. this is with an
IC7-G
but I have an IS7-G as well and it does fine. for the record, the Abit
boards do read the temperatures a little on the warm side but yours is
still
running much warmer than it should, personal opinion.

your video card isn't a monster either so there isn't a ton of heat
coming
off of that card heating up the cpu...
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"Tod DeBie" wrote in message
...
I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying
between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia
tests
set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes
all
the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at
70.

I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the
thermal
pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but
nothing
is
working to bring the temps down.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB
to
250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto.
If
I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to
clear
the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

Tod

I just replaced my IS7 (northbridge fan retainer clips popped out). I
noticed an immeadiate 4-5c degree idle temp increase reported by Winbond
monitor on the replacement mobo. The replacement mobo and rig is identical
to my original IS7 setup except for an updated northbridge fan and the use
of AS3 paste instead of CoolerMaster PTK-001. The increased temp is seen
for CPU, sys, and PWM. Shows you how much variation there is with thermal
monitoring on these boards. My first advice would be to confirm your that
your reported temps are accurate.

best-0-luck,
ugg

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:32:17 GMT, "Tod DeBie"
wrote:

I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

I have the IS7-E motherboard and am having the same type of high
readings.

My specs:
Abit IS7-E
Latest g16 bios
P4 2.4C with stock cpu fan
Crucial DDR 400 2x512Mb
Geforce 4200ti 64Mb
Windows 2000 Professional
ATX 330 watt ATX 2.03 Ernamax Power Supply
Rounded ide & floppy cables
80mm case fan (back)

Settings:
FSB 242 (2904MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 5:4
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.65v
RAM 2.7v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)


When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia tests set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes all the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at 70.


I am having idle temps around 55c. With Prime95 running I get cpu
temps of 75c. Prime95 is not getting any errors and my apps also run
fine.

I am also seeing the UNDERVOLTING on the CPU. The 1.65 vcore setting
only gives an actual 1.58volt to the CPU.


I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the thermal pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but nothing is
working to bring the temps down.


I also replaced the thermal pad with Arctic silver II but it also
didn't help with the high temps.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I have no clue.


I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB to 250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto. If I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to clear the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

GAT also doesn't work for me. It looks like only very expensive
memory is needed for GAT to work.

Steve

what sort of case temperatures?

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"Steve" Somewhere@overtherainbow wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:32:17 GMT, "Tod DeBie"
wrote:

I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying
between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

I have the IS7-E motherboard and am having the same type of high
readings.

My specs:
Abit IS7-E
Latest g16 bios
P4 2.4C with stock cpu fan
Crucial DDR 400 2x512Mb
Geforce 4200ti 64Mb
Windows 2000 Professional
ATX 330 watt ATX 2.03 Ernamax Power Supply
Rounded ide & floppy cables
80mm case fan (back)

Settings:
FSB 242 (2904MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 5:4
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.65v
RAM 2.7v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)


When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia tests
set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes all
the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at 70.


I am having idle temps around 55c. With Prime95 running I get cpu
temps of 75c. Prime95 is not getting any errors and my apps also run
fine.

I am also seeing the UNDERVOLTING on the CPU. The 1.65 vcore setting
only gives an actual 1.58volt to the CPU.


I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the thermal
pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but nothing
is
working to bring the temps down.


I also replaced the thermal pad with Arctic silver II but it also
didn't help with the high temps.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I have no clue.


I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB to
250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto. If I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to clear
the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

GAT also doesn't work for me. It looks like only very expensive
memory is needed for GAT to work.

Steve

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:01:44 -0400, "TomG"
wrote:

what sort of case temperatures?

With the CPU at 73c I have a case temp of 41c.

Even with the case open the cpu will reach 75c with Prime95 running.

I am measuring with Motherboard Monitor v5.3.3

Steve

personal opinion, that is way too warm. the case temps are not impressive
unless you live in a very warm climate. but even with the case open, unless
the ambient temps are very warm, that cpu temperature is much warmer than I
would want to see. are you quite sure that you have the heat sink mounted
up properly?

I'm running a 2.8c and even with an overclock of 244 FSB my temps have never
gone over 61 in the warmest of conditions and full gaming load.

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"Steve" Somewhere@overtherainbow wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:01:44 -0400, "TomG"
wrote:

what sort of case temperatures?

With the CPU at 73c I have a case temp of 41c.

Even with the case open the cpu will reach 75c with Prime95 running.

I am measuring with Motherboard Monitor v5.3.3

Steve

Comments interspersed:

"Steve" Somewhere@overtherainbow wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:32:17 GMT, "Tod DeBie"
wrote:

I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Do you really need 1.6? If the system is stable, you might be able to back
it down a notch or two and reduce temps slightly.

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying
between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

I have the IS7-E motherboard and am having the same type of high
readings.

My specs:
Abit IS7-E
Latest g16 bios
P4 2.4C with stock cpu fan
Crucial DDR 400 2x512Mb
Geforce 4200ti 64Mb
Windows 2000 Professional
ATX 330 watt ATX 2.03 Ernamax Power Supply
Rounded ide & floppy cables
80mm case fan (back)

Settings:
FSB 242 (2904MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 5:4
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.65v
RAM 2.7v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)


When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia tests
set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes all
the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at 70.


I am having idle temps around 55c. With Prime95 running I get cpu
temps of 75c. Prime95 is not getting any errors and my apps also run
fine.

With a core voltage of 1.65 and a stock cooler, that's pretty much what I
got.


I am also seeing the UNDERVOLTING on the CPU. The 1.65 vcore setting
only gives an actual 1.58volt to the CPU.

Same here, but mine was stable at 1.575, which read out at 1.52-1.55.

I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the thermal
pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but nothing
is
working to bring the temps down.

Still a familiar song. The Intel cooler is OK until you start applying extra
juice or running close to 3.0g. After that you really should consider
something designed for the purpose.

I ordered a $24 Vantec Aeroflow, and now idle is 45-47C and max load is
about 60C. That's with:

Abit IC7, P4 2.4 @ 12x275:3.3g, 1.575v
512 megs Buffalo Tech PC3700 @ 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6.

Well worth the expense of the cooler, IMHO. My case also helps, and Antec
Sonata with twin 120 mm fans, one in and one out.

I also replaced the thermal pad with Arctic silver II but it also
didn't help with the high temps.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I have no clue.


I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB to
250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto. If I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to clear
the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

GAT also doesn't work for me. It looks like only very expensive
memory is needed for GAT to work.

Steve

Same here. All auto works, anything else gums up the works.

I've never actually seen any confirmation from Abit on what GAT actually
does. Most people think that it simply tightens memory timings, but there is
a very interesting entry in a support page maintained by the Mushlin memory
folks:
---------------------------
USER TIPS: enabling any of the different performance options will override
the manual latency and frequency ratio settings and force a 1:1 CPURAM
ratio at 2:x:x:x latency settings, with the "Ultra" (now "F1") setting
forcing a 2:2:2:5 latency configuration at DDR400 frequency.

We also found that using the "Turbo" (or "Street Racer") setting at 2:2:2:7
yields overall better performance since a longer tRAS prevents the
controller from inadvertently terminating an ongoing data burst. Enabling
the CPC (Command Per Clock) adds another small notch to the overall
performance but can cause stability problems as well. The Read Delay timer
should be set to 5-6 cycles for best stability and performance or else left
on Auto.

We found that DIMMs that require CAS latencies of 2.5 or higher at DDR400
will not function in any of the available performance modes. The workaround
is to set the performance tab to "Disabled". Even though this appears
counterintuitive at first, it makes sense in that there is no point in
reducing chipset latencies when the memory itself would add those latencies
again at the back-end of the "food chain". The HW monitor shows voltage
values that are below the real voltages, so better not crank them up too
much.

Keep in mind that these recommendations are based on "snapshots" of a few of
the current BIOS revisions and may change with future BIOS versions.

-----------------

Assuming Mushkin knows what it's talking about, and when it comes to memory
they usually do, that would certainly explain why those of us overclocking
at 5:4 or running high-latency memory are unable to enable anything in GAT.

excellent point on the core voltage... I am at 244 on stock core voltage.

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"Skid" wrote in message
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Comments interspersed:

"Steve" Somewhere@overtherainbow wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:32:17 GMT, "Tod DeBie"
wrote:

I am having some serious heat problems. Here is my setup:

Abit IS7
Pentium 4 2.4C
Geil PC4000 DDR 500 2x256Mb
Geforce 2 MX400 32Mb
Windows XP Professional

Settings:
FSB 240 (2880MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 1:1
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.6v
RAM 2.8v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)

Do you really need 1.6? If the system is stable, you might be able to back
it down a notch or two and reduce temps slightly.

Readings:
BIOS shows idle readings of about 60c for idle with the CPU varying
between
1.52 and 1.56v and the DDR varying between 2.73 and 2.75v.

I have the IS7-E motherboard and am having the same type of high
readings.

My specs:
Abit IS7-E
Latest g16 bios
P4 2.4C with stock cpu fan
Crucial DDR 400 2x512Mb
Geforce 4200ti 64Mb
Windows 2000 Professional
ATX 330 watt ATX 2.03 Ernamax Power Supply
Rounded ide & floppy cables
80mm case fan (back)

Settings:
FSB 242 (2904MHz for CPU)
N/B Strap CPU As "By CPU"
DRAM 5:4
AGP/PCI locked at 66/33
CPU 1.65v
RAM 2.7v
AGP 1.55v
GAT Auto (all settings are on Auto)


When I run SiSoftware Sandra with jus the CPU math and multimedia tests
set
for high priority, 100% utilization and 10 repeats, the system goes all
the
way up to 70c and then stops because I have the test set to stop at 70.


I am having idle temps around 55c. With Prime95 running I get cpu
temps of 75c. Prime95 is not getting any errors and my apps also run
fine.

With a core voltage of 1.65 and a stock cooler, that's pretty much what I
got.


I am also seeing the UNDERVOLTING on the CPU. The 1.65 vcore setting
only gives an actual 1.58volt to the CPU.

Same here, but mine was stable at 1.575, which read out at 1.52-1.55.

I am using the stock Intel heatsink and fan, and I replaced the thermal
pad
with AS Ceramique. I have tried several arrangements of fans, but
nothing
is
working to bring the temps down.

Still a familiar song. The Intel cooler is OK until you start applying
extra
juice or running close to 3.0g. After that you really should consider
something designed for the purpose.

I ordered a $24 Vantec Aeroflow, and now idle is 45-47C and max load is
about 60C. That's with:

Abit IC7, P4 2.4 @ 12x275:3.3g, 1.575v
512 megs Buffalo Tech PC3700 @ 5:4, 220 mhz, 2,3,2,6.

Well worth the expense of the cooler, IMHO. My case also helps, and Antec
Sonata with twin 120 mm fans, one in and one out.

I also replaced the thermal pad with Arctic silver II but it also
didn't help with the high temps.

Any ideas on what is going on?

I have no clue.


I don't think this is just instrumentation because, if I set the FSB to
250,
when I play America's Army, I get errors after a little bit of play.

As a separate matter, I cannot get GAT to work on anything but Auto. If
I
change it, the system give the long beeps on reboot and I have to clear
the
CMOS to get the system working. What is up with that?

GAT also doesn't work for me. It looks like only very expensive
memory is needed for GAT to work.

Steve

Same here. All auto works, anything else gums up the works.

I've never actually seen any confirmation from Abit on what GAT actually
does. Most people think that it simply tightens memory timings, but there
is
a very interesting entry in a support page maintained by the Mushlin
memory
folks:
---------------------------
USER TIPS: enabling any of the different performance options will override
the manual latency and frequency ratio settings and force a 1:1 CPURAM
ratio at 2:x:x:x latency settings, with the "Ultra" (now "F1") setting
forcing a 2:2:2:5 latency configuration at DDR400 frequency.

We also found that using the "Turbo" (or "Street Racer") setting at
2:2:2:7
yields overall better performance since a longer tRAS prevents the
controller from inadvertently terminating an ongoing data burst. Enabling
the CPC (Command Per Clock) adds another small notch to the overall
performance but can cause stability problems as well. The Read Delay timer
should be set to 5-6 cycles for best stability and performance or else
left
on Auto.

We found that DIMMs that require CAS latencies of 2.5 or higher at DDR400
will not function in any of the available performance modes. The
workaround
is to set the performance tab to "Disabled". Even though this appears
counterintuitive at first, it makes sense in that there is no point in
reducing chipset latencies when the memory itself would add those
latencies
again at the back-end of the "food chain". The HW monitor shows voltage
values that are below the real voltages, so better not crank them up too
much.

Keep in mind that these recommendations are based on "snapshots" of a few
of
the current BIOS revisions and may change with future BIOS versions.

-----------------

Assuming Mushkin knows what it's talking about, and when it comes to
memory
they usually do, that would certainly explain why those of us overclocking
at 5:4 or running high-latency memory are unable to enable anything in
GAT.