Post problem - Is this an issue with the CPU Fan?

Perhaps someone can help me out - a first time builder.

....have some top of the line components.

AMD FX62 dual core processor and Gigabyte MB are the parts at issue right now.

I'm attempting to turn the machine on for the first time.

At present, I still have the digital video card hooked to an older analog monitor with a converter - I don't think that this is the
problem.

When the power goes on, it seems to start the fans and hard drive as normal but I get nothing on the monitor. I get a longer single
beep and then continuous short beeps at regular intervals. I unplugged everything that would not be needed to get to the bios but
still nothing other than the beeps.

This is an award bios, but I haven't got much information by looking at beep codes on the net.

The MB has a 4 pin connector for the CPU heatsink fan, but the stock AMD heatsink fan only has a 3 pin connector. Until I get a
converter, I plugged the CPU heatsink fan into another fan controller. I'm wondering whether this could be the problem.

Could someone point me in the right direction and let me know if this thing might not start if it doesn't think that the cpu fan is
running?

Thanks in advance

Jeff




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video card loose- not compatable -damaged video ram

outside chance (memory timing , memory module loose)

try and reset cmos load boot defaults and or check memory timings and
video AGP/PCIe settings


"Jeff" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps someone can help me out - a first time builder.

...have some top of the line components.

AMD FX62 dual core processor and Gigabyte MB are the parts at issue right
now.

I'm attempting to turn the machine on for the first time.

At present, I still have the digital video card hooked to an older analog
monitor with a converter - I don't think that this is the
problem.

When the power goes on, it seems to start the fans and hard drive as
normal but I get nothing on the monitor. I get a longer single
beep and then continuous short beeps at regular intervals. I unplugged
everything that would not be needed to get to the bios but
still nothing other than the beeps.

This is an award bios, but I haven't got much information by looking at
beep codes on the net.

The MB has a 4 pin connector for the CPU heatsink fan, but the stock AMD
heatsink fan only has a 3 pin connector. Until I get a
converter, I plugged the CPU heatsink fan into another fan controller. I'm
wondering whether this could be the problem.

Could someone point me in the right direction and let me know if this
thing might not start if it doesn't think that the cpu fan is
running?

Thanks in advance

Jeff




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"Jeff" wrote in message
.. .

Perhaps someone can help me out - a first time builder.

...have some top of the line components.

AMD FX62 dual core processor and Gigabyte MB are the parts at issue right
now.

I'm attempting to turn the machine on for the first time.

At present, I still have the digital video card hooked to an older analog
monitor with a converter - I don't think that this is the
problem.

When the power goes on, it seems to start the fans and hard drive as
normal but I get nothing on the monitor. I get a longer single
beep and then continuous short beeps at regular intervals. I unplugged
everything that would not be needed to get to the bios but
still nothing other than the beeps.

This is an award bios, but I haven't got much information by looking at
beep codes on the net.





The MB has a 4 pin connector for the CPU heatsink fan, but the stock AMD
heatsink fan only has a 3 pin connector. Until I get a
converter, I plugged the CPU heatsink fan into another fan controller. I'm
wondering whether this could be the problem.


MISSED THIS! however that beep sequence dosen't correspond to a CPU
probem. Don't mess around with the CPU cooling system. It can be like
starting your car without oil in the engine if the cpu fan fails to start.
It could be that the MB bios is not detecting the fan connection and there
for won't start up.






Could someone point me in the right direction and let me know if this
thing might not start if it doesn't think that the cpu fan is
running?

Thanks in advance

Jeff




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"JAD" wrote in message ...

MISSED THIS! however that beep sequence dosen't correspond to a CPU
probem. Don't mess around with the CPU cooling system. It can be like
starting your car without oil in the engine if the cpu fan fails to start.
It could be that the MB bios is not detecting the fan connection and there
for won't start up.


Thanks but let me clarify and update.

The heatsink fan is running fine. It's just that the MB has a 4 pin connector and the fan has a 3 pin connector.

From what I gather, I can simply plug the 3 pin fan connector into the 4 pin MB connector leaving the extra pin outside of the
connector's housing. I did this, but the results didn't change.

The ram is new corsair DDR2, and installed as per instructions. The video card is a middle of the line gigabyte sold as a combo with
the MB by Newegg - PCIe x16. There should be no compatibility problems.

I'll be checking the other issues you've mentioned.

In the meantime, any other ideas?

Jeff



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Jeff wrote:

Perhaps someone can help me out - a first time builder.

...have some top of the line components.

AMD FX62 dual core processor and Gigabyte MB are the parts at issue right now.

I'm attempting to turn the machine on for the first time.

At present, I still have the digital video card hooked to an older analog monitor with a converter - I don't think that this is the
problem.

When the power goes on, it seems to start the fans and hard drive as normal but I get nothing on the monitor. I get a longer single
beep and then continuous short beeps at regular intervals. I unplugged everything that would not be needed to get to the bios but
still nothing other than the beeps.

This is an award bios, but I haven't got much information by looking at beep codes on the net.

The MB has a 4 pin connector for the CPU heatsink fan, but the stock AMD heatsink fan only has a 3 pin connector. Until I get a
converter, I plugged the CPU heatsink fan into another fan controller. I'm wondering whether this could be the problem.

Could someone point me in the right direction and let me know if this thing might not start if it doesn't think that the cpu fan is
running?

Thanks in advance

Jeff


Aren't the beep codes in the manual ? Single beeps repeated at
regular intervals can be RAM. But confirm with your motherboard
manual, as they are free to change these codes whenever they
feel like. For example, on a private forum, someone noted that
a recently manufactured product, reversed the beep patterns for
"bad video" and "bad RAM". Every board can have quirks like that,
so you really have to look around and find a thread that is
specifically for your motherboard.

A frequent problem with current generation hardware (AMD or Intel),
is DDR2-800 RAM compatibility. Sometimes it takes a stick of
DDR2-533, to get a system to start. You didn't mention the motherboard
model number, but you may want to try some searches on a web
search engine for "ram compatibility" and your motherboard model
number. I'm sure there is nothing seriously wrong with your hardware :-)
Just the normal aggravation every DDR2 user gets to enjoy :-)

You can plug a three pin fan into a four pin fan header. The
keying of the header should only allow the cable to be turned
one way. Then, look in your manual, as it will label the pins
on the header as GND, +12V, tacho, PWM. If they are labelled
like that, then the PWM pin is the one you leave not connected
to anything. The fan sitting in front of me is:

Black="GND" Red="+12V" Yellow="tacho"

At the very least, make sure the GND and +12V are connected
to the correct two pins.

Paul

More information:

I've checked most that I can check. I've removed and re-installed the processor and ram. I haven't reset the cmos, but waiting until
checking all else first. If there is a way to check things like memory timings, etc. I can't imagine how if I can't even get
anything whatsoever on the monitor.

I'm starting to get the impression that I may have a bad processor. I hope not.

When I completely remove the processor, I get no further beeps from the post. I don't know enough to know whether this means
anything.

The processor was purchased from eBay, but was a retail box and completely sealed.

Help.

Jeff



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"Jeff" wrote in message
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More information:

I've checked most that I can check. I've removed and re-installed the
processor and ram. I haven't reset the cmos, but waiting until
checking all else first.


Why? Do it man do it.....its the least you can do


If there is a way to check things like memory timings, etc. I can't imagine
how if I can't even get
anything whatsoever on the monitor.

I'm starting to get the impression that I may have a bad processor. I hope
not.

When I completely remove the processor, I get no further beeps from the
post. I don't know enough to know whether this means
anything.

The processor was purchased from eBay, but was a retail box and completely
sealed.

Help.

Jeff



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"Paul" wrote in message ...
Aren't the beep codes in the manual ? Single beeps repeated at
regular intervals can be RAM. But confirm with your motherboard
manual, as they are free to change these codes whenever they
feel like.

A frequent problem with current generation hardware (AMD or Intel),
is DDR2-800 RAM compatibility. Sometimes it takes a stick of
DDR2-533, to get a system to start.
Paul

Okay, I did find the beep codes in the manual. What I'm not really sure about is what I'm hearing.

The case speaker is hooked to the MB so the noise is clearly from the speaker. The first beep (similar to what I'm used to hearing
from other machines) is a clear distinct beep - again, just like I'm used to hearing when my other machines start. Immediately after
that single normal beep, the continuous beeps start but they are more like dull taps - they aren't the same as that initial beep but
they definitely are coming from the case speaker. The manual claims that continuous long beeps indicates "DRAM error," while
continuous short beeps indicates "power error." The beeps sound short to me, but they are distinctly different from the initial
one, so perhaps they are considered "long" - in which case you might be right about the RAM.

The MB is a Gigabyte GA-M59SLI-S5
The ram is Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800 MhZ CAS4

So yes, I'm using DDR2-800.

I've check the web and did find one mention so far that this MB may be picky about RAM. I was assuming that I would not have a
problem with high quality ram. I'm still checking further.

So let me get this straight - are you telling me that I may be successful by taking out the current memory, putting in a single
stick of 533, and then putting back the 800 later and it may start working?

Again, so far I've been unable to get into either the bios nor cmos as I can't get anything on the monitor.

Jeff










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"JAD" wrote in message ...

"Jeff" wrote in message
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I've checked most that I can check. I've removed and re-installed the
processor and ram. I haven't reset the cmos, but waiting until
checking all else first.

Why? Do it man do it.....its the least you can do

Okay, I reset the cmos but the problem remains. If I pull out the ram and try to start, I get the same beep pattern. If that beep
pattern is, in fact, indicating a RAM issue, I suppose that having no ram would be the same as incompatible ram?

Jeff





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Jeff wrote:
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Okay, I did find the beep codes in the manual. What I'm not really sure about is what
I'm hearing.

The case speaker is hooked to the MB so the noise is clearly from the speaker. The
first beep (similar to what I'm used to hearing from other machines) is a clear
distinct beep - again, just like I'm used to hearing when my other machines start.
Immediately after that single normal beep, the continuous beeps start but they are
more like dull taps - they aren't the same as that initial beep but they definitely
are coming from the case speaker. The manual claims that continuous long beeps
ndicates "DRAM error," while continuous short beeps indicates "power error." The
beeps sound short to me, but they are distinctly different from the initial one,
so perhaps they are considered "long" - in which case you might be right about the RAM.

The MB is a Gigabyte GA-M59SLI-S5
The ram is Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 2048MB PC6400 DDR2 800 MhZ CAS4

So yes, I'm using DDR2-800.

I've check the web and did find one mention so far that this MB may be picky about
RAM. I was assuming that I would not have a problem with high quality ram. I'm
still checking further.

So let me get this straight - are you telling me that I may be successful by taking
out the current memory, putting in a single stick of 533, and then putting back
the 800 later and it may start working?

Again, so far I've been unable to get into either the bios nor cmos as I can't get
anything on the monitor.

Jeff


Well, I cannot speak for every board. Some of the Asus boards exhibit those symptoms,
where a lower speed RAM works. I've never heard anything about funny sounding
beeps. Asus hosts their own forums, and some of the RAM problems have been
documented there. I don't know if there is a "hot" site for Gigabyte boards
or not.

This Asus board uses the same chipset as yours, and the Asus BIOS
offers a "skew" setting (and placing something like that in the BIOS, is
bad design as far as I'm concerned - if skew needs to be adjusted, the BIOS
should know how to do it, silently).

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

Some other threads:

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

And if you cannot get your board to POST, it will be pretty hard to update
the BIOS to the most recent version. You can try just the one stick of
RAM, and try it in all the slots, and see if things change. If you
still aren't getting anywhere, find the cheapest slowest stick of
memory you can, and give it a try.

Paul