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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
I have an Inspiron 8600 Laptop, XP Home/SP2, well-maintained.
Starting yesterday, I have experienced sporadic Blue Screens of Death: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL 0x000000D1.... NDIS.SYS is referenced. In researching these error messages, one possible cause is an issue with the Network Card (which is integrated in this model). That seems likely because over the last few weeks, from time to time, the "Network Cable is Unplugged" message comes up, even though the ethernet cable is firmly plugged into the ethernet port. I wiggle the cable a little, it goes away, and I can once again access the internet. So, putting this all together, the most likely cause is a hardware problem with the integrated NIC. The question is whether or not this can be replaced without replacing the entire motherboard. Another question is whether I could install an outboard NIC and somehow disable the integrated NIC. Any suggestions? How difficult is it to open the case and inspect the area of the integrated NIC, to see if there is any obvious physical issue? Any other thoughts appreciated. Don |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
Don Cohen wrote:
I have an Inspiron 8600 Laptop, XP Home/SP2, well-maintained. Starting yesterday, I have experienced sporadic Blue Screens of Death: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL 0x000000D1.... NDIS.SYS is referenced. In researching these error messages, one possible cause is an issue with the Network Card (which is integrated in this model). That seems likely because over the last few weeks, from time to time, the "Network Cable is Unplugged" message comes up, even though the ethernet cable is firmly plugged into the ethernet port. I wiggle the cable a little, it goes away, and I can once again access the internet. So, putting this all together, the most likely cause is a hardware problem with the integrated NIC. The question is whether or not this can be replaced without replacing the entire motherboard. Another question is whether I could install an outboard NIC and somehow disable the integrated NIC. Any suggestions? How difficult is it to open the case and inspect the area of the integrated NIC, to see if there is any obvious physical issue? Any other thoughts appreciated. Don Before going much further, I would run extensive diagnostics on the hardware. Not the Dell ones. Run MEMTEST Version 3.3 to test the memory, and run the hard drive manufacturer's diagnostics AND HDAT2 on the hard drive. The failure in NDIS.SYS may be coincidental with another hardware problem. You cannot replace the built-in Ethernet without replacing the motherboard. If the 8600 has a slot capable of handling an old time PCMCIA card, you can install a 3COM or Xircom card, both of which have XP drivers. If you open the case and tear down the system to the motherboard, the most you are likely to see is a wobbly Ethernet connector. It is usually difficult to discern anything with the naked eye about chip failure, except that nVidia graphics chips sometimes end up with burn marks. Teardown of a Dell laptop follows the typical pattern of: 1. Remove plastic bezel covering on-off switch and LEDs 2. Remove keyboard 3. Remove LCD screen 4. Reomve touchpad/palm rest This involves maybe 20 tiny screws, the right size of SMALL Philips head screwdriver, a small flat-bladed screwdriver, a large clean open work space, and good ability to visualize how things go together. If the 8600 was my laptop, I would not do it, and I do a lot of laptop teardowns (and reassemblies). For the effort involved, you would not gain much knowledge, if any... Ben Myers |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
Some thoughts on your issue. I too have an I8600 that has served me well for
a long time but has some similar issues. 1) After being put to sleep/standby the wired network card often doesnt like to work unless I select it under network devices and select disable, wait for it to disable and then select enable again. After which it works perfectly till I next put it to sleep. Though this install of windows has been installed for over 18months with tons of different software installed so it is probably due for a reformat which will likely fix all my problems. 2) An external network card can be attached through PCMCIA http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16839218002 something like this. Hope that helps in some way. Robert "Don Cohen" wrote in message ... I have an Inspiron 8600 Laptop, XP Home/SP2, well-maintained. Starting yesterday, I have experienced sporadic Blue Screens of Death: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL 0x000000D1.... NDIS.SYS is referenced. In researching these error messages, one possible cause is an issue with the Network Card (which is integrated in this model). That seems likely because over the last few weeks, from time to time, the "Network Cable is Unplugged" message comes up, even though the ethernet cable is firmly plugged into the ethernet port. I wiggle the cable a little, it goes away, and I can once again access the internet. So, putting this all together, the most likely cause is a hardware problem with the integrated NIC. The question is whether or not this can be replaced without replacing the entire motherboard. Another question is whether I could install an outboard NIC and somehow disable the integrated NIC. Any suggestions? How difficult is it to open the case and inspect the area of the integrated NIC, to see if there is any obvious physical issue? Any other thoughts appreciated. Don |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
Hi Ben,
Thanks much for the reply and information. I responded to this earlier this morning, and tried again a few hours later, but for some odd reason, they haven't shown up here. In any case: On Nov 11, 9:12*am, Ben Myers wrote: Before going much further, I would run extensive diagnostics on the hardware. *Not the Dell ones. *Run MEMTEST Version 3.3 to test the memory, and run the hard drive manufacturer's diagnostics AND HDAT2 on the hard drive. *The failure in NDIS.SYS may be coincidental with another hardware problem. I booted into the Diagnostic program Dell has pre-installed on the Laptop, and found no evidence of hardware failure there (the NIC passed as well). I have a bootable MEMTEST CD, which I have successfully used on multiple other systems, but for some reason, when it would start loading, it would trigger a reboot, so I was unable to run this. I have no idea why this occurred - any ideas? The Dell Diagnostic memory test completed without showing any problems. Given the fact that I continue to get intermittent notification that a network cable is not connected, there is clearly something wrong with the NIC, in any case, it would seem to me. This only started within the last few months. The fact that the BSOD also points to the NIC seems to confirm this, but I'm certainly open to any ideas. FWIW, I had the Laptop on all day today, with sporadic use, and no BSOD, although the intermittent "cable not connected" occurred throughout the day. You cannot replace the built-in Ethernet without replacing the motherboard. *If the 8600 has a slot capable of handling an old time PCMCIA card, you can install a 3COM or Xircom card, both of which have XP drivers. Given your other comments, this may end up being the way to go if the BSOD recurs. How does one disable the NIC that is built-into the motherboard - through the BIOS or elsewhere? Finally, the BSOD's started when I was in Brazil, with my Dell Power brick plugged into either 110 or 220 (the brick says it supports both). Could a power problem be the culprit here? It's only been a day, but so far it hasn't occurred since returning to the U.S. Thanks again. Don |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
Hi Ben,
The Dell Diagnostics are quick and dirty. *I place little stock in them except as a quick test to make sure that the hardware is kinda sorta OK. * Running a Live Linux CD is perhaps a better overall hardware confidence test. Understood. The MEMTEST CD causes a reboot for one of several reasons. *If you have MEMTEST 3.4, throw away the CD and use MEMTEST 3.3. *MEMTEST 3.4, for whatever reason, throws tons of error messages on most any computer on which I've used it here, including a number of non-Dell computers. *In addition, your MEMTEST CD may be bad or you are simply seeing a VERY quick indication of bad memory. Just checked, and I have the disk labeled MEMTEST86 V3.0. You can disable the on-board NIC in the BIOS setup of nearly all models of computers, laptop and desktop alike. That simplifies things if I need to go that way. It is highly probable that bad power in Brazil is the cause of the BSODs, especially since you've no BSODs stateside. This would be great news. I just had to replace my 6 1/2 year old Gateway desktop, and I wasn't real anxious to have to buy a new Laptop as well. Could you elaborate on why/how you feel confident that the bad power in Brazil is the root cause? I'm not doubting you, just wanting to learn. Don |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
Hello Robert,
Thanks for the reply. As I said to Ben, the responses I made to both of you this morning, using the Alltel DSL connection I have at work, didn't go through. I'm at home, responding through Google, and this is working fine. I'll keep your thoughts in mind as I work through this. I'm hoping that Ben is right, and that the power in Brazil might have been the cause of the BSOD's. But even if they are, it is getting annoying having the "network cable not connected" message coming up fairly regularly, and I might look into a PCMCIA network adapter anyway. Regards, Don |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
Ben Myers wrote on Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:07:16 -0500:
... If the voltage to the computer is not too low to cause a reboot, it can still cause data corruption or hardware CPU instructions to fail in strange and exotic ways. Sometimes the voltage doesn't drop too low like the refrigerator kicked on, but spikes and causes the same rebooting, etc. And if it is this, often a surge protector will fix it. And a good UPS will fix either problem. -- Bill Black Asus EEE PC 4GB 2GB SoDIMM Adata 16GB Windows XP SP2 and Xandros Linux |
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Inspiron 8600 BSOD at NDIS.SYS
wrote in message ... Hi Ben, The Dell Diagnostics are quick and dirty. I place little stock in them except as a quick test to make sure that the hardware is kinda sorta OK. Running a Live Linux CD is perhaps a better overall hardware confidence test. Understood. They're so quick and dirty that I have a machine here that's not finished its INITIAL extended loop of complete system diags and it has been running over 11 hours. The length/time of the loop is vastly affected by three variables: 1) The total amount of RAM in the system, and...... 2) The total capacity of the hard disk(s). 3) CPU speed. I don't know what you guys are running and calling "Dell diags". You guys must be running only the "pre-boot assessment" suite of short tests, which takes all of about 10-15 mins on many systems and are largely ineffective against anything short of near castrophic component failures. The Dell diags suite is completely helpful and damned thorough imo. There's no other complete component diags testing out there that's better - or if it is, I cannot find it. Someone please link it so I can try it and buy it. And with regard to your BSOD directed at your NIC, kill power management to the NIC, reinstall the NIC driver to be sure the current driver isn't corrupted, and if you still have problems then just investigate a PCMCIA NIC card or go wireless. -Stew |
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