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Skylake for Win7?
There were reports a while back about support for Windows 7 on Intel
Skylake processors going away. Truthfully, I don't really understand the implications of that. However, this article, http://www.channelpro.co.uk/advice/9...-vs-skylake-14 says that Microsoft has changed their minds and will support that CPU until mid-2018 at least. Is there a reason for me to avoid building a Windows 7 system based on a Skylake processor? |
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Skylake for Win7?
On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:03:37 -0400, Nil
wrote: There were reports a while back about support for Windows 7 on Intel Skylake processors going away. Truthfully, I don't really understand the implications of that. However, this article, http://www.channelpro.co.uk/advice/9...-vs-skylake-14 says that Microsoft has changed their minds and will support that CPU until mid-2018 at least. Is there a reason for me to avoid building a Windows 7 system based on a Skylake processor? No more reason than, presumably for an advanced AMD MPU, to pose similar avoidance;- AMD, yes, I've also read has Intel counterpoint, a future processor slated for a "Windows 10 platform-only" model. If Microsoft then has since deigned Windows 7 suitable to Skylake, the mechanism is one given a supportive driver to be provided Windows 7 -- in form an OS singular update if not integral to a tradition provided by the MB manufacturer for supportive OS chipset drivers (and updates). A nice touch to hear as it were for "the masses," since now seen for a singular aspect of Skylake feature advancements being readily available to the one-less [Windows 7] OS, Windows 10 having been touted for "the last Microsoft OS you'll ever own." Singular, that is, to effectively evaluate for determinates of what worth a Skylake is given among alternative processors presented to the builder with Windows 7 in mind. |
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Skylake for Win7?
Nil wrote:
There were reports a while back about support for Windows 7 on Intel Skylake processors going away. Truthfully, I don't really understand the implications of that. However, this article, http://www.channelpro.co.uk/advice/9...-vs-skylake-14 says that Microsoft has changed their minds and will support that CPU until mid-2018 at least. Is there a reason for me to avoid building a Windows 7 system based on a Skylake processor? There's the XHCI-only USB ports. The Win7 media doesn't support XHCI at startup. (USB3 drivers are standard on Win8 or Win10, but the drivers are provided by the hardware maker [Intel] for Win7 as far as I know.) http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...-platform.html If a desktop, can you install Win7 with a SATA optical drive ? I hope so. Just not a USB optical drive or a USB flash drive, without some slipstreaming. And if the hardware is XHCI only, you're going to want a PS/2 port on there, as you might have no keyboard/mouse on first boot. Slipstreaming in the XHCI driver sounds like a good plan. You have to ask yourself what Intel was thinking, when they made radical changes to a hardware block like that, removing backward compatibility. After all, Intel supported IDE mode forever on their disk ports, solving at least the ability to get disk drivers to work for Win98. So even if your OS didn't have video drivers, the disk side of things still worked. Why Intel mucked about with USB, is unclear, when they could have just copied the previous generation of intellectual property design for the USB port. In this day and age, it would be pretty difficult to accept some "gate count" excuse. I'm sure the PCH type silicon is so small, it's pad limited, and if you save gate count, it just leaves undoped silicon in all the open areas created. ******* This has nothing to do with any "Microsoft" support story. Which is an entirely different issue. An example of Microsoft support, would be the two patches released to improve things like Bulldozer support on older OSes. The performance difference wasn't great, but at least it shows that Microsoft had to spend the time in the lab proving that scheduler changes would work. So that's a support cost, associated with a novel architecture showing up. I don't see how the Intel architectures particularly trigger this kind of patching and labwork. Intel has a large shared L3, small L1 and l2, cache coherency, and relatively easy scheduling work (not much to worry about). There may be various flavors of internal ring busses, but the scheduler doesn't care about hardware at that level of granularity. So I guess at some level, I don't understand Microsoft whining. It's AMD they have to watch (is Zen different?). ******* Use standard practice. If buying hardware in any generation, visit the motherboard page on Newegg. If customers are having trouble installing OSes on their new purchase, perhaps they will document it. You can also try the pages of Amazon for this. Never buy hardware, a week after it ships. Leave it to the early adopters to get their hands dirty. If the installer DVDs don't work, the customer reviews should contain enough reports after a three month period. And I really don't expect much of Intel. It would be shabby chipset driver packages I'd be watching for. Microsoft has their part to play, but at this point I seem to be missing what their big concern might be with regard to Intel. ACPI C-states maybe ? Hardware that runs hotter than it has to ? Paul |
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