Rip-off artists

You are so wise, and you show such sophistication. Have you ever thought
about going into the Diplomatic Corps?

DaveL wrote:
Screw you, commie. You don't like the price then don't buy it.

DaveL

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PLONK!!

It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There
are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An
amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over
two years ago. I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost
comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of
it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this
monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies
and flood the market! You're already making all the products.

aether wrote:

It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There
are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An
amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over
two years ago. I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost
comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of
it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this
monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies
and flood the market! You're already making all the products.


No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out your
lack of understanding about markets.

No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out
your
lack of understanding about markets.

I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
past five years.

"aether" wrote:

I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything
that's been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market
are outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue
to increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady
for the past five years.

Excuse me, but the easy explanation for rising prices in the United
States is the falling United States dollar. Not having read the
other posts, I suspect you have been told that several times.

It hasn't been for the past five years either. I think it's been for
about two years.

Look at the United States dollar. If it's been falling for two years,
I'm right. If it's been falling for five years, you are right.





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aether wrote:
No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out

your
lack of understanding about markets.

I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
been said.

Apparently not.

I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
outrageous,

You seem to think that just because you don't like 'prices' then that's
'proof' of something, but it's not. Other than you don't like prices.

and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
increase.

Maybe they should. Where is it written that things should be priced just to
suit YOU?

The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
past five years.

Your 'solutions' are fly off the handle and shoot self in foot kind of
things. Flood the market, flood the market, cheap, cheap... yeah yeah.
Which also puts companies out of business and people out of work.

Things were real damn cheap during the Depression too but I hardly think of
that as a 'solution' to anything.

Let me pose a hypothetical example to illustrate how simplistic and short
sighted your 'outrage' is. A plant that makes memory chips can also make
other kinds of chips; say chips for cell phones. Cell phone market
increases and plant can make money with cell phone chips, which is a good
thing because people like to buy cell phones. Increase in cell phone chip
production lowers cell phone pricing but increases memory pricing because
that production is lowered from the shift to cell phone chips. You scream
about memory prices, force people to make more memory chips to satisfy your
'outrage', and cell phone prices increase because of the reverse shift in
production you forced. So now you scream about cell phone prices and want
to force more things, which screws up something else which you, of course,
scream about.

Meanwhile, if you were actually able to forces these things, you'd be
destroying the capital for plant expansion and product development, running
companies out of business, and putting people out of work. And out of work
people have a hard time buying things even at 'non outrageous' prices so
volume decreases and cost per unit goes up, which causes more layoffs, or
wage deflation, and a raft full of other equally undesirable consequences.

On the other hand, if prices really are 'outrageous' then someone will get
the bright idea to make money by selling into that market, by either a
production shift or the building of new plants, at a lower price and reap
profits from the volume. And if they try to make 'too much' profit someone
else will undercut them to take market share. That is, until the price
drops so low that the next guy decides he can make more money in the cell
phone market rather than make memory chips. Which is a good thing because
we don't want super expensive cell phones, now do we? Or maybe they'll make
GPS chips because, after all, we don't want 'outrageous' GPS prices either.
Or maybe they'll make GPU chips. Or maybe the investor will say to hell
with the volatile, low profit, chip industry and invest in geothermal home
heating units, or party balloons, or who the hell knows what? But, whatever
it is, I'm sure you don't want 'outrageous' prices there either so it's a
good thing someone is investing in it.

aether wrote:
No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out

your
lack of understanding about markets.

I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
past five years.


Considering that I paid $800 for 4 Megabytes of memory when I built my
first computer (and the price had been over $400 a Megabyte just before
then) and only $160 for 1 Gigabyte of memory for my last computer I
think current memory prices are a deal. This is a drop of 1,250 times.
What other market has seen such a drop in prices, especially when you
factor in the fact that the first memory came on 36 DIMMs which had to
plugged into sockets and was at least a thousand times slower than the
new memory?
If the industry was interested in "gouging" the public they would have
stopped R&D in the 1980s and saved Billions of dollars a year there
alone. Plus they would not have had to build all the new plants at
Billions of dollars each to make the new chips the researchers
developed. Hard drives could have stayed at the 40 MB level at around
$10 per megabyte and another huge savings by the industry could be made.
Without developing the new products the consumer would never know they
were possible so they would accept the "bargain" prices they were
offered. Just like they do when they buy a new TV, or toaster, or car.

"aether" wrote in message
ups.com...
It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There
are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An
amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over
two years ago.

Right now you can get the Radeon 9800 card for around $170 at Comp USA,
after the sale/rebate. I would sell you my old 9800, but I gave it to my Ma
when I bought one of those $400 video cards to replace it...

I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost
comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of
it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this
monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies
and flood the market! You're already making all the products.

:-/

I'll cite examples of what I speak of:

DRAM Pricing: The Fix Is In - May 12, 2003 -
http://www.newsforge.com/hardware/03...21.shtml?tid=7

PC memory prices soar - September 9, 1999 -
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-278066...ag=xlr8yourmac

Retailers to hike PC price tags (note - March 25, 2002 -
http://money.cnn.com/2002/03/25/technology/pc_prices/

Rising Costs Put PC Price Wars Into Reverse - March 28, 2002 -
http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=354138

Memory Prices Double - January 15, 2002 -
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/artic...,src,ov,00.asp

Micron Warns About Soaring DRAM Prices - July 13, 2004 -
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/...714014024.html