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turbulence aids cooling
"kornball" reaches deep into his bag of desperation:
Tim, you can't cool an ATX system like everyone else. You have no point to make. Attempting to change the subject is the mark of the lame. Instead, keep in mind the tremendous weight of scientific evidence in the fields of thermodynamics and aerodynamics which say that turbulent flow aids the transfer of heat between a solid object and a fluid flowing past it. http://www.thermaflo.com/crosscut.shtml "Turbulent air breaks the stagnant air boundary layers around the pins and, as a result, enhances the heat sink's thermal performance." http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...articleID=2001 "To induce turbulence within the fins and improve thermal transmission between the air and metal, Thermalright have modified the aluminum fins by adding 'proprietary bent winglets'." http://sound.westhost.com/heatsinks.htm "Simple convection is not as effective (even for the same rate of flow of air), because of the "laminar" flow of air (where the air at the surface of the heatsink moves slower than that further away). This effect can be easily seen on a windy day. If you stay close to a wall or other large area (lying on the ground works too), it will be noticed that it is less windy than out in the open. Exactly the same thing happens with heatsinks (but on a somewhat reduced scale). Creating turbulence is an excellent way to defeat this process, but this requires fans, and fans are noisy." http://www.fischerelektronik.de/fisc.../KKoneng_e.htm "The heat transfer towards the flowing air that can be achieved with plain fins is relatively restricted. The laminar air flow that emerges is not sufficient to carry off the heat. Therefore, attempts are being made to improve heat transfer (fins to air) by producing more turbulent flow using an appropriate fin geometry." http://www.hilltech.com/products/uv_...radiators.html "Optimizing cooling efficiency in an LIA is achieved by using a heatsink-based aluminum reflector, where the material has a high thermal conductivity and the design maximizes the effects of surface area and turbulence. Within reason, the more surface area the better the lamp cooling. Also important is turbulence, because of the skin effect in cooling. A thin layer of air surrounding a cooling surface acts as a thermal insulator impeding the effect of forced air-cooling. This layer needs to be disrupted by turbulent airflow, which can be created by providing irregular fins and fin geometries." http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6729383.html "at least some said protrusions affect said streaming of said fluid so as to enhance the turbulence of said streaming of said fluid, thereby enhancing convective heat transfer from said object to said fluid." http://www.overclockers.com/tips90/ - "Turbulent air cools better. Say, for sake of argument, you have a simple tube with a fan in the middle. The fan pulls air from one side of the tube, and blows into the other. If you have a hot component on the exhaust side of the fan, it will be more efficiently cooled than on the intake side. "This is because the air on the exhaust side of the fan is more turbulent. For lack of a better explanation, the loops and whorls of turbulent air moving across the surface pick up more heat. The effective surface area of the object is increased. (Actually, it was explained to me by saying the effective surface area of the air is increased.) The total volume of airflow remains the same, but turbulent air just cools better." http://www.begellhouse.com/books/497...32b58c789.html - "Turbulent flow is the most common form of motion of liquids and gases playing the role of the heat-transfer medium in thermal systems. The complexity of turbulent flow and the importance of hydrodynamics and heat transfer in practice inspired continuing research for methods of efficient heat augmentation by the Lithuanian Energy Institute. The solution of this problem was directly linked with the determination of the reaction of flow in the boundary layer to the effect of various factors and heat transfer rate under given conditions. The investigated factors included elevated degree of turbulence of the external flow as well as strong acceleration and turbulization of flow near the wall by surface roughness. The material in this volume shows that it is possible to control the efficiency of turbulent transfer when the vortical structure of the turbulent flow is known." http://www.cougarlabs.com/cool2.html - "For convective heat transfer to work well, we need to get the heat energy out into the flowing coolant. Turbulence will do this for us." http://www.ceere.org/beep/docs/FY200..._Enclosure.pdf - "Comparatively speaking, turbulent flows often lead to higher transport rate of momentum, energy and mass than laminar flows. These features are widely made use of in energy systems in industry. For example, turbulence enhancers such as ribs are added to cooling systems of turbine blades and microelectronic devices to create more turbulent motions so that the overall heat transfer efficiency can be improved." *TimDaniels* |
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:49:02 -0700, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote: Tim, you can't cool an ATX system like everyone else. You have no point to make. That's a lame attempt to change the subject - the last resort of a loser. Same subject. Cooling, and specifically, a computer system. |
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"kornball" gets desperate to change the subject:
Tim, you can't cool an ATX system like everyone else. You have no point to make. That's a lame attempt to change the subject - the last resort of a loser. Same subject. Cooling, and specifically, a computer system. Tell it to "Vanguard" with whom you were arguing (unsuccessfully, I might add) about the ATX spec. This thread is about turbulence as an aid to cooling. http://www.thermaflo.com/crosscut.shtml "Turbulent air breaks the stagnant air boundary layers around the pins and, as a result, enhances the heat sink's thermal performance." http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...articleID=2001 "To induce turbulence within the fins and improve thermal transmission between the air and metal, Thermalright have modified the aluminum fins by adding 'proprietary bent winglets'." http://sound.westhost.com/heatsinks.htm "Simple convection is not as effective (even for the same rate of flow of air), because of the "laminar" flow of air (where the air at the surface of the heatsink moves slower than that further away). This effect can be easily seen on a windy day. If you stay close to a wall or other large area (lying on the ground works too), it will be noticed that it is less windy than out in the open. Exactly the same thing happens with heatsinks (but on a somewhat reduced scale). Creating turbulence is an excellent way to defeat this process, but this requires fans, and fans are noisy." http://www.fischerelektronik.de/fisc.../KKoneng_e.htm "The heat transfer towards the flowing air that can be achieved with plain fins is relatively restricted. The laminar air flow that emerges is not sufficient to carry off the heat. Therefore, attempts are being made to improve heat transfer (fins to air) by producing more turbulent flow using an appropriate fin geometry." http://www.hilltech.com/products/uv_...radiators.html "Optimizing cooling efficiency in an LIA is achieved by using a heatsink-based aluminum reflector, where the material has a high thermal conductivity and the design maximizes the effects of surface area and turbulence. Within reason, the more surface area the better the lamp cooling. Also important is turbulence, because of the skin effect in cooling. A thin layer of air surrounding a cooling surface acts as a thermal insulator impeding the effect of forced air-cooling. This layer needs to be disrupted by turbulent airflow, which can be created by providing irregular fins and fin geometries." http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6729383.html "at least some said protrusions affect said streaming of said fluid so as to enhance the turbulence of said streaming of said fluid, thereby enhancing convective heat transfer from said object to said fluid." http://www.overclockers.com/tips90/ - "Turbulent air cools better. Say, for sake of argument, you have a simple tube with a fan in the middle. The fan pulls air from one side of the tube, and blows into the other. If you have a hot component on the exhaust side of the fan, it will be more efficiently cooled than on the intake side. "This is because the air on the exhaust side of the fan is more turbulent. For lack of a better explanation, the loops and whorls of turbulent air moving across the surface pick up more heat. The effective surface area of the object is increased. (Actually, it was explained to me by saying the effective surface area of the air is increased.) The total volume of airflow remains the same, but turbulent air just cools better." http://www.begellhouse.com/books/497...32b58c789.html - "Turbulent flow is the most common form of motion of liquids and gases playing the role of the heat-transfer medium in thermal systems. The complexity of turbulent flow and the importance of hydrodynamics and heat transfer in practice inspired continuing research for methods of efficient heat augmentation by the Lithuanian Energy Institute. The solution of this problem was directly linked with the determination of the reaction of flow in the boundary layer to the effect of various factors and heat transfer rate under given conditions. The investigated factors included elevated degree of turbulence of the external flow as well as strong acceleration and turbulization of flow near the wall by surface roughness. The material in this volume shows that it is possible to control the efficiency of turbulent transfer when the vortical structure of the turbulent flow is known." http://www.cougarlabs.com/cool2.html - "For convective heat transfer to work well, we need to get the heat energy out into the flowing coolant. Turbulence will do this for us." http://www.ceere.org/beep/docs/FY200..._Enclosure.pdf - "Comparatively speaking, turbulent flows often lead to higher transport rate of momentum, energy and mass than laminar flows. These features are widely made use of in energy systems in industry. For example, turbulence enhancers such as ribs are added to cooling systems of turbine blades and microelectronic devices to create more turbulent motions so that the overall heat transfer efficiency can be improved." *TimDaniels* |
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:32:16 -0700, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote: "kornball" gets desperate to change the subject: Tim, you can't cool an ATX system like everyone else. You have no point to make. That's a lame attempt to change the subject - the last resort of a loser. Same subject. Cooling, and specifically, a computer system. Tell it to "Vanguard" with whom you were arguing (unsuccessfully, I might add) about the ATX spec. This thread is about turbulence as an aid to cooling. This thread WAS about Tim's idea, that he hadn't tested. |
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"kornball" wrote:
"Timothy Daniels" wrote: .. Tell it to "Vanguard" with whom you were arguing (unsuccessfully, I might add) about the ATX spec. This thread is about turbulence as an aid to cooling. This thread WAS about Tim's idea, that he hadn't tested. Which is NOT about any ATX spec. But changing the subject is ALWAYS what you're about. *TimDaniels* |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:33:00 -0700, "Timothy Daniels"
wrote: "kornball" wrote: "Timothy Daniels" wrote: . Tell it to "Vanguard" with whom you were arguing (unsuccessfully, I might add) about the ATX spec. This thread is about turbulence as an aid to cooling. This thread WAS about Tim's idea, that he hadn't tested. Which is NOT about any ATX spec. But changing the subject is ALWAYS what you're about. Oh? Care to look at the last 100 posts I've made and find a percentage of how many I'd changed the subject on? It's only in special cases, where the poster needs to be redirected to reality. |
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turbulence aids cooling
Get a room. On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:08:23 -0700, "Timothy Daniels" wrote: "kornball" reaches deep into his bag of desperation: Tim, you can't cool an ATX system like everyone else. You have no point to make. Attempting to change the subject is the mark of the lame. Instead, keep in mind the tremendous weight of scientific evidence in the fields of thermodynamics and aerodynamics which say that turbulent flow aids the transfer of heat between a solid object and a fluid flowing past it. http://www.thermaflo.com/crosscut.shtml "Turbulent air breaks the stagnant air boundary layers around the pins and, as a result, enhances the heat sink's thermal performance." http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...articleID=2001 "To induce turbulence within the fins and improve thermal transmission between the air and metal, Thermalright have modified the aluminum fins by adding 'proprietary bent winglets'." http://sound.westhost.com/heatsinks.htm "Simple convection is not as effective (even for the same rate of flow of air), because of the "laminar" flow of air (where the air at the surface of the heatsink moves slower than that further away). This effect can be easily seen on a windy day. If you stay close to a wall or other large area (lying on the ground works too), it will be noticed that it is less windy than out in the open. Exactly the same thing happens with heatsinks (but on a somewhat reduced scale). Creating turbulence is an excellent way to defeat this process, but this requires fans, and fans are noisy." http://www.fischerelektronik.de/fisc.../KKoneng_e.htm "The heat transfer towards the flowing air that can be achieved with plain fins is relatively restricted. The laminar air flow that emerges is not sufficient to carry off the heat. Therefore, attempts are being made to improve heat transfer (fins to air) by producing more turbulent flow using an appropriate fin geometry." http://www.hilltech.com/products/uv_...radiators.html "Optimizing cooling efficiency in an LIA is achieved by using a heatsink-based aluminum reflector, where the material has a high thermal conductivity and the design maximizes the effects of surface area and turbulence. Within reason, the more surface area the better the lamp cooling. Also important is turbulence, because of the skin effect in cooling. A thin layer of air surrounding a cooling surface acts as a thermal insulator impeding the effect of forced air-cooling. This layer needs to be disrupted by turbulent airflow, which can be created by providing irregular fins and fin geometries." http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6729383.html "at least some said protrusions affect said streaming of said fluid so as to enhance the turbulence of said streaming of said fluid, thereby enhancing convective heat transfer from said object to said fluid." http://www.overclockers.com/tips90/ - "Turbulent air cools better. Say, for sake of argument, you have a simple tube with a fan in the middle. The fan pulls air from one side of the tube, and blows into the other. If you have a hot component on the exhaust side of the fan, it will be more efficiently cooled than on the intake side. "This is because the air on the exhaust side of the fan is more turbulent. For lack of a better explanation, the loops and whorls of turbulent air moving across the surface pick up more heat. The effective surface area of the object is increased. (Actually, it was explained to me by saying the effective surface area of the air is increased.) The total volume of airflow remains the same, but turbulent air just cools better." http://www.begellhouse.com/books/497...32b58c789.html - "Turbulent flow is the most common form of motion of liquids and gases playing the role of the heat-transfer medium in thermal systems. The complexity of turbulent flow and the importance of hydrodynamics and heat transfer in practice inspired continuing research for methods of efficient heat augmentation by the Lithuanian Energy Institute. The solution of this problem was directly linked with the determination of the reaction of flow in the boundary layer to the effect of various factors and heat transfer rate under given conditions. The investigated factors included elevated degree of turbulence of the external flow as well as strong acceleration and turbulization of flow near the wall by surface roughness. The material in this volume shows that it is possible to control the efficiency of turbulent transfer when the vortical structure of the turbulent flow is known." http://www.cougarlabs.com/cool2.html - "For convective heat transfer to work well, we need to get the heat energy out into the flowing coolant. Turbulence will do this for us." http://www.ceere.org/beep/docs/FY200..._Enclosure.pdf - "Comparatively speaking, turbulent flows often lead to higher transport rate of momentum, energy and mass than laminar flows. These features are widely made use of in energy systems in industry. For example, turbulence enhancers such as ribs are added to cooling systems of turbine blades and microelectronic devices to create more turbulent motions so that the overall heat transfer efficiency can be improved." *TimDaniels* |
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