To Shim, or not to Shim?

Hi,

do any of you guys use a *Shim* anymore on your AMD processors? I am getting
together a build on my first AMD XP system. . .

Wayne ][

"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Hi,

do any of you guys use a *Shim* anymore on your AMD processors? I am
getting
together a build on my first AMD XP system. . .


use your own discretion. theyre only really of any use to help prevent
breaking the core if you dont fit the hsf in the correct manner.
if you think you can fit it ok then you shouldnt need one

I have had one in the past and for cooling purposes a waste of money
imo.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:36:43 +0000 (UTC), "Wayne Youngman"
had the will to write:

Hi,

do any of you guys use a *Shim* anymore on your AMD processors? I am getting
together a build on my first AMD XP system. . .

Wayne ][


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Lee

"Wayne Youngman" wrote in message
...
Hi,

do any of you guys use a *Shim* anymore on your AMD processors? I am
getting
together a build on my first AMD XP system. . .

Wayne ][


Shims serve one purpose only, to line the pockets of the seller. If you use
due care when installing your HSF, you'll have no problem. There is also
anecdotal evidence that:
a) Shims can cause electrical shorts if not configured for your particular
CPU model (cutouts wrong) or improperly fitted. (Unless you buy one made of
nonconductive material)
b) Shims can cause improper contact between CPU and HSF if warped. Instant
overheat.
c) Shims can reduce the cooling efficiency of the HSF by trapping hot air
around the CPU core.
Plenty of potential negatives.

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:01:49 +0000 (UTC), "Wayne Youngman"
wrote:


Peter van der Goes wrote:

Shims serve one purpose only, to line the pockets of the seller. If
you use due care when installing your HSF, you'll have no problem.
There is also anecdotal evidence that:
a) Shims can cause electrical shorts if not configured for your
particular CPU model (cutouts wrong) or improperly fitted. (Unless
you buy one made of nonconductive material)
b) Shims can cause improper contact between CPU and HSF if warped.
Instant overheat.
c) Shims can reduce the cooling efficiency of the HSF by trapping hot
air around the CPU core.
Plenty of potential negatives.

Hi all,

O.K thanks for feedback. . . .I remember a time when allot of people here
*swore* by them but I guess times have changed,

cheers,

Wayne ][


It's sort of AMD's fault, they should have done a better job educating
the OEM market about installing a heatsink onto the socket 462 chips the
correct way. Out of all the AMD CPU reviews on the web you would think a
few sites would make mention of installing the HS correctly or at least
put a link to AMD's installation videos or something! (I do.)

I chipped the core on my first Socket-A CPU (OEM 1.2GHz $245). I was
installing the HS like I did on my K6s, hell I didn't know any better at
the time. Reviews (& AMD.com) never mentioned anything about heatsink
installation. Well the CPU is 3.5 years old and still working just fine,
still over clocked too! ;p (1.35GHz/1.85v).

Ed


As I recall the main problem was the heatsink makers selling people
unmodified P3 heatsinks. The height of the P3 is less than the AMD
chips, result is the heatsink end up putting far too presuure on core
than it should, add that to the fact the hsf is going to be unblanaced
while the user struggles to attach the clip and all this pressure is put
on one edge/corner of the core and *crunch* one crushed/chipped core!

Unless you are completely hamfisted any heatsink produced after this
deabcle should have a virtually zero chance of causing damage. Hence
there is NO need for a shim.

Lee wrote:

I have had one in the past and for cooling purposes a waste of money
imo.

I was wondering if it was worth bothering with a shim or not, they not
expensive, but I can normally put a heat sink on ok.
Anywa, do they make shims for a Barton 2500?