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Althlon 64 Motherboard w/3GB?
Hi,
I'm planning on putting together an athlon 64 system when I get my tax return and I'm looking for a good motherboard that will accept 3GB or ram (or more). I know windows doesn't really allow a program to accessmore than 2GB of ram, but I hear XP pro can access more with certain setup. Either way, I use a program that will use all 2GB of ram allowed it, so having 3GB will allow windows to load all of it's bloat outside of that 2GB program limit. Does that make any sense? Ok, my real question... I have found motherboards that claim they alow 3GB of ram, but I've also read that some will not allow you to actually use 3GB of ram? If they can't use 3GB of ram, why would they allow you to install 3GB? This makes no sense to me. What I am looking for is a board that supports the Athlon 64 3400, Sata, onboard Lan, usb 2.0, Firewire, 6 channel sound, etc. Basically all the bells and whistles. This whole 3GB thing has me a bit confused. Thanks for any help. Hope this made sense. |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:40:41 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann"
wrote: I know windows doesn't really allow a program to accessmore than 2GB of ram, but I hear XP pro can access more with certain setup. I cannot help with most of your questions, but I know that Windows 98 runs into problems when more than 512 MB of memory is fitted. I have 768 MB fitted. I have set Win 98 to only use 700 MB. It works well when re-booted, but after a while I get the symptom of not being able to open a DOS prompt window. Like you, I believe that Windows XP can handle more memory, but cannot quote specifics. -- Arthur. |
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"Mr. E. Mann" wrote in
: Hi, I'm planning on putting together an athlon 64 system when I get my tax return and I'm looking for a good motherboard that will accept 3GB or ram (or more). I know windows doesn't really allow a program to accessmore than 2GB of ram, but I hear XP pro can access more with certain setup. Either way, I use a program that will use all 2GB of ram allowed it, so having 3GB will allow windows to load all of it's bloat outside of that 2GB program limit. Does that make any sense? Ok, my real question... I have found motherboards that claim they alow 3GB of ram, but I've also read that some will not allow you to actually use 3GB of ram? If they can't use 3GB of ram, why would they allow you to install 3GB? This makes no sense to me. Win NT 4 and later can handle normally 4GB of memory, but with the PAE boot switch up to 64GB. (PAE is supported on Windows 2000 Datacenter Server; Windows 2000 Advanced Server; Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Editon; and Windows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition.) A single process (task) can normally access 2GB, but with the /3GB boot switch it can access 3GB. (This parameter is fully functional on Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0, Enterprise Edition with Service Pack 3, Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server, Microsoft Windows 2000 Datacenter Server, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003.) -- Peter Strömberg C2K2 C2K3 ISCCIV02 ISCCIV03 |
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Arthur Buse wrote in
: I cannot help with most of your questions, but I know that Windows 98 runs into problems when more than 512 MB of memory is fitted. I have 768 MB fitted. I have set Win 98 to only use 700 MB. It works well when re-booted, but after a while I get the symptom of not being able to open a DOS prompt window. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253912 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943 -- Peter Strömberg C2K2 C2K3 ISCCIV02 ISCCIV03 |
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Mr. E. Mann wrote:
Hi, I'm planning on putting together an athlon 64 system when I get my tax return and I'm looking for a good motherboard that will accept 3GB or ram (or more). I know windows doesn't really allow a program to accessmore than 2GB of ram, but I hear XP pro can access more with certain setup. Either way, I use a program that will use all 2GB of ram allowed it, so having 3GB will allow windows to load all of it's bloat outside of that 2GB program limit. Does that make any sense? Ok, my real question... I have found motherboards that claim they alow 3GB of ram, but I've also read that some will not allow you to actually use 3GB of ram? If they can't use 3GB of ram, why would they allow you to install 3GB? This makes no sense to me. If there are 3 slots for convenience, and each slot can address up to 1Gig then the board will allow 3 Gig to be installed. It's possible that less than that can be addressed in total due to limitations elsewhere... I was under the impression that 32bit systems can address 2^32 bytes, or 4Gigs, but that there is a reserved space above 3Gigs for mapping I/O... much like the option in the BIOS for memory hole at 63-64Meg (the 16bit address space limit). What I am looking for is a board that supports the Athlon 64 3400, Sata, onboard Lan, usb 2.0, Firewire, 6 channel sound, etc. Basically all the bells and whistles. This whole 3GB thing has me a bit confused. Thanks for any help. Hope this made sense. Essentially if you want to use the advantages of a 64bit system capable of addressing lots of RAM, you'll need an OS that is 64bit too, which essentially leaves you with leaked test versions of the appropriate Windows or any semi-recent distribution of Linux, for the moment, at least. Ben -- A7N8X FAQ: www.ben.pope.name/a7n8x_faq.html Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups. I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String... |
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It is both a matter of hardware and software. Hardware motherboard
manufacturers have built in system limits or normally 3-4 gb or less but this will change somewhat when Microsoft releases its 64 bit version of the operating system and that is explaned he Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for 64-Bit Extended Systems is designed for use on high-performance PCs. This means new customers will be able to extend beyond the 4-gigabyte physical memory limit of 32-bit computing. regards B "Mr. E. Mann" wrote in message ... Hi, I'm planning on putting together an athlon 64 system when I get my tax return and I'm looking for a good motherboard that will accept 3GB or ram (or more). I know windows doesn't really allow a program to accessmore than 2GB of ram, but I hear XP pro can access more with certain setup. Either way, I use a program that will use all 2GB of ram allowed it, so having 3GB will allow windows to load all of it's bloat outside of that 2GB program limit. Does that make any sense? Ok, my real question... I have found motherboards that claim they alow 3GB of ram, but I've also read that some will not allow you to actually use 3GB of ram? If they can't use 3GB of ram, why would they allow you to install 3GB? This makes no sense to me. What I am looking for is a board that supports the Athlon 64 3400, Sata, onboard Lan, usb 2.0, Firewire, 6 channel sound, etc. Basically all the bells and whistles. This whole 3GB thing has me a bit confused. Thanks for any help. Hope this made sense. |
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On 25 Jan 2004 10:54:07 GMT, "Peter Strömberg"
wrote: Arthur Buse wrote in : I cannot help with most of your questions, but I know that Windows 98 runs into problems when more than 512 MB of memory is fitted. I have 768 MB fitted. I have set Win 98 to only use 700 MB. It works well when re-booted, but after a while I get the symptom of not being able to open a DOS prompt window. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253912 Says that Windows 98 runs into problems when more than 512 MB of memory is fitted. Mine is fairly stable when restricted to 700 MB. Needs re-booting if I have problems. I could restrict it further and have fewer problems. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943 Says that Windows 98 & Windows ME will not run nor install if more than 1.5 GB of memory are fitted. Thanks, Peter, I had never heard of that. I think I found another symptom of having too much memory. I could not filll in text boxes on web pages. Ironically, this prevented me doing a proper search for the original poster's question. Microsoft once claimed that Windows 95 can use 2GB but I think they lied. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q181/5/94.asp&NoWebContent=1 Mr E. Mann (original poster): The 32-bit architecture of present CPUs limits them to 4 GB of RAM (e.g . Pentium, Athlon Tbred). Windows XP, being a 32-bit operating system will be limited to 4GB of memory. It can use at least 2GB of memory. At the bottom of page 16 of a Word document on the Windows NT homepage it says that Windows NT Server is capable of addressing 4GB, split into 2 GB for user space and 2 GB for system space. http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/do...chitecture.doc Windows XP is based on Windows NT, so I expect the same memory limit. The Athlon 64 can address thousands of GB. There is a beta (test) version of Windows XP 64-bit. I expect there will be a final retail version available by Christmas. And a Service Pack full of bug fixes early next year. :-) Windows 2000 Advanced Server uses something called Physical Address Extensions (PAE) and is able to address 8GB and Windows 2000 Datacenter Server uses PAE to address 32GB. Sounds like good old memory paging to me. -- Arthur. |
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Thanks Everyone!
I didn't know people were still using win98. ;') "B" wrote in : It is both a matter of hardware and software. Hardware motherboard manufacturers have built in system limits or normally 3-4 gb or less but this will change somewhat when Microsoft releases its 64 bit version of the operating system and that is explaned he Windows XP 64-Bit Edition for 64-Bit Extended Systems is designed for use on high-performance PCs. This means new customers will be able to extend beyond the 4-gigabyte physical memory limit of 32-bit computing. regards B |
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"Arthur Buse" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:40:41 GMT, "Mr. E. Mann" wrote: I know windows doesn't really allow a program to accessmore than 2GB of ram, but I hear XP pro can access more with certain setup. I cannot help with most of your questions, but I know that Windows 98 runs into problems when more than 512 MB of memory is fitted. I have 768 MB fitted. I have set Win 98 to only use 700 MB. It works well when re-booted, but after a while I get the symptom of not being able to open a DOS prompt window. Like you, I believe that Windows XP can handle more memory, but cannot quote specifics. -- In Windows 98 try the following addition to your SYSTEM.INI file: [vcache] MaxFileCache=512000 I have 1 GB of Ram and don't have any Ram associated problems with Win98SE. -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have to look in the right places and ask the right questions. |
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"Mr. E. Mann" wrote in message ... Thanks Everyone! I didn't know people were still using win98. ;') It is estimated that in excess of 50 MILLION enterprise customers are still using Windows 98 with several MILLION still using Windows 95 for certain applications. Those numbers don't even attempt to account for all the non-enterprise customers still using those operating systems. Supposedly that is one of the reasons M$ extended Win98 support into 2006 when it was supposed to have ended about 2-3 weeks ago. -- callsignviper The truth is out there. You just have to look in the right places and ask the right questions. |
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