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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have
two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Sometimes it's detected, sometimes not. Sometimes it won't detect for 1/2 dozen boots in a row or more. Of course, I gave up long ago and put the HDD's on the MB IDE channels, and my IDE peripherals on the Promise card. However, it's not my main machine and I forgot about the problem and over the weekend rewired the machine entirely with the HDD's on the Promise card. Whoops! Well, is there any explanation for all this or do I have to entirely rewire the machine in terms of IDE cables? I'm running Windows 2000 SP4, the machine specs below. Thanks for any help on this - Promise support wasn't able to help me with it when I called them about 3 years ago. Dan - - - - Epox 8K7A mainboard Athlon 1.2 GHz running at 1.4 2 x 256 MB Crucial DDR ECC PC2100 266 MSI geforce2 Pro 64 MB DDR Santa Cruz soundcard Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller IBM 60GXP 60 GB HDD ATA-100 IDE (Promise IDE1 Master) Western Digital 80 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE1 Slave) Western Digital 120 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE2 Master) Pioneer 16x 106S Slot loader DVD IDE (Motherboard IDE1 Master) Iomega Zip 250 IDE (Motherboard IDE1 slave) Liteon 24102B CD-RW IDE 24x (Motherboard IDE2 Master) Mitsumi Floppy Enlight midtower case with 300 Watt PSU Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have
two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Sometimes it's detected, sometimes not. Sometimes it won't detect for 1/2 dozen boots in a row or more. Of course, I gave up long ago and put the HDD's on the MB IDE channels, and my IDE peripherals on the Promise card. However, it's not my main machine and I forgot about the problem and over the weekend rewired the machine entirely with the HDD's on the Promise card. Whoops! Well, is there any explanation for all this or do I have to entirely rewire the machine in terms of IDE cables? I'm running Windows 2000 SP4, the machine specs below. Thanks for any help on this - Promise support wasn't able to help me with it when I called them about 3 years ago. Dan - - - - Epox 8K7A mainboard Athlon 1.2 GHz running at 1.4 2 x 256 MB Crucial DDR ECC PC2100 266 MSI geforce2 Pro 64 MB DDR Santa Cruz soundcard Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller IBM 60GXP 60 GB HDD ATA-100 IDE (Promise IDE1 Master) Western Digital 80 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE1 Slave) Western Digital 120 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE2 Master) Pioneer 16x 106S Slot loader DVD IDE (Motherboard IDE1 Master) Iomega Zip 250 IDE (Motherboard IDE1 slave) Liteon 24102B CD-RW IDE 24x (Motherboard IDE2 Master) Mitsumi Floppy Enlight midtower case with 300 Watt PSU Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 There might be a problem with power. For that many drives and other power consuming devices, your aging power supply might not deliver sufficient or quality juice. I suggest to temporarily reduce number of drives, stop overclocking CPU and test repeatedly. That might produce some results. |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
"Dan_Musicant" wrote in message ... This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Sometimes it's detected, sometimes not. Sometimes it won't detect for 1/2 dozen boots in a row or more. Of course, I gave up long ago and put the HDD's on the MB IDE channels, and my IDE peripherals on the Promise card. However, it's not my main machine and I forgot about the problem and over the weekend rewired the machine entirely with the HDD's on the Promise card. Whoops! Well, is there any explanation for all this or do I have to entirely rewire the machine in terms of IDE cables? I'm running Windows 2000 SP4, the machine specs below. Thanks for any help on this - Promise support wasn't able to help me with it when I called them about 3 years ago. Dan - - - - Epox 8K7A mainboard Athlon 1.2 GHz running at 1.4 2 x 256 MB Crucial DDR ECC PC2100 266 MSI geforce2 Pro 64 MB DDR Santa Cruz soundcard Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller IBM 60GXP 60 GB HDD ATA-100 IDE (Promise IDE1 Master) Western Digital 80 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE1 Slave) Western Digital 120 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE2 Master) Pioneer 16x 106S Slot loader DVD IDE (Motherboard IDE1 Master) Iomega Zip 250 IDE (Motherboard IDE1 slave) Liteon 24102B CD-RW IDE 24x (Motherboard IDE2 Master) Mitsumi Floppy Enlight midtower case with 300 Watt PSU Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 Had the same issues with a 133tx. Final solution: Pulled out & thrown in a drawer. Eventually replaced drives with SATA. I know that's not a solution so much as surrendur, but I just don't have the time nor the inclination to track down Promise's bugs. They don't seem concerned, why should I? Hark |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
"Dan_Musicant" wrote:
This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Sometimes it's detected, sometimes not. Sometimes it won't detect for 1/2 dozen boots in a row or more. Of course, I gave up long ago and put the HDD's on the MB IDE channels, and my IDE peripherals on the Promise card. However, it's not my main machine and I forgot about the problem and over the weekend rewired the machine entirely with the HDD's on the Promise card. Whoops! Well, is there any explanation for all this or do I have to entirely rewire the machine in terms of IDE cables? I'm running Windows 2000 SP4, the machine specs below. Thanks for any help on this - Promise support wasn't able to help me with it when I called them about 3 years ago. Dan - - - - Epox 8K7A mainboard Athlon 1.2 GHz running at 1.4 2 x 256 MB Crucial DDR ECC PC2100 266 MSI geforce2 Pro 64 MB DDR Santa Cruz soundcard Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller IBM 60GXP 60 GB HDD ATA-100 IDE (Promise IDE1 Master) Western Digital 80 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE1 Slave) Western Digital 120 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE2 Master) Pioneer 16x 106S Slot loader DVD IDE (Motherboard IDE1 Master) Iomega Zip 250 IDE (Motherboard IDE1 slave) Liteon 24102B CD-RW IDE 24x (Motherboard IDE2 Master) Mitsumi Floppy Enlight midtower case with 300 Watt PSU Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 By "boot drive" I assume you mean the drive with the Primary partition marked "active" that holds the ntldr and boot.ini and ntdetect.com files. I also assume that you can get the BIOS to list the hard drive boot order for you, and that you can display the contents of the boot.ini file. So... 1) Please list the *hard drive* boot order (including the PCI controller card if it's listed there along with the hard drives) 2) Please list the contents of the boot.ini file. 3) Which partition on which hard drive is "active" and has the "boot files"? *TimDaniels* |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
"Dan_Musicant" wrote:
This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Have you tried putting the Promise card in another PCI slot? *TimDaniels* |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
Dan_Musicant wrote:
This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Sometimes it's detected, sometimes not. Sometimes it won't detect for 1/2 dozen boots in a row or more. Of course, I gave up long ago and put the HDD's on the MB IDE channels, and my IDE peripherals on the Promise card. However, it's not my main machine and I forgot about the problem and over the weekend rewired the machine entirely with the HDD's on the Promise card. Whoops! Well, is there any explanation for all this or do I have to entirely rewire the machine in terms of IDE cables? I'm running Windows 2000 SP4, the machine specs below. Thanks for any help on this - Promise support wasn't able to help me with it when I called them about 3 years ago. Dan Hello, Dan: I had a similar problem, for over a year. Here was my basic configuration: Tyan S1830S "Tsunami" AT mainboard Intel Pentium III 600MHz CPU Micron 1GB RAM "Ultra ATA/133" PCI card (generic; Silicon Image chipset & optional RAID) (2) Samsung SP1614N 160GB hard disks (non-RAIDed) Windows Millennium When I rebooted the PC (i.e., with the reset button or keyboard), it didn't always find the HDD drives, at first (using the power switch was fine, though). Several frustrating attempts were often necessary, in fact. Then, after many disappointing months of running at 900MHz, I finally got my new PIII 1GHz processor to attain its full speed -- 1050MHz, actually. I'd been unaware that it happened to be an "unlocked" engineering sample. (Which is an entirely different story, for another day. g) In any case (pun intended), ever since this 150MHz upgrade, my computer reboots normally, 100% of the time. There's a lesson there, somewhere...I just wish I knew what the hell it is! :-J - - - - Epox 8K7A mainboard Athlon 1.2 GHz running at 1.4 2 x 256 MB Crucial DDR ECC PC2100 266 MSI geforce2 Pro 64 MB DDR Santa Cruz soundcard Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller IBM 60GXP 60 GB HDD ATA-100 IDE (Promise IDE1 Master) Western Digital 80 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE1 Slave) Western Digital 120 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE2 Master) Pioneer 16x 106S Slot loader DVD IDE (Motherboard IDE1 Master) Iomega Zip 250 IDE (Motherboard IDE1 slave) Liteon 24102B CD-RW IDE 24x (Motherboard IDE2 Master) Mitsumi Floppy Enlight midtower case with 300 Watt PSU Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 Did you really need to mention the floppy, man? G Cordially, John Turco |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
Timothy Daniels wrote:
"Dan_Musicant" wrote: This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Sometimes it's detected, sometimes not. Sometimes it won't detect for 1/2 dozen boots in a row or more. Of course, I gave up long ago and put the HDD's on the MB IDE channels, and my IDE peripherals on the Promise card. However, it's not my main machine and I forgot about the problem and over the weekend rewired the machine entirely with the HDD's on the Promise card. Whoops! Well, is there any explanation for all this or do I have to entirely rewire the machine in terms of IDE cables? I'm running Windows 2000 SP4, the machine specs below. Thanks for any help on this - Promise support wasn't able to help me with it when I called them about 3 years ago. Dan - - - - Epox 8K7A mainboard Athlon 1.2 GHz running at 1.4 2 x 256 MB Crucial DDR ECC PC2100 266 MSI geforce2 Pro 64 MB DDR Santa Cruz soundcard Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller IBM 60GXP 60 GB HDD ATA-100 IDE (Promise IDE1 Master) Western Digital 80 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE1 Slave) Western Digital 120 GB HDD ATA-3 IDE (Promise IDE2 Master) Pioneer 16x 106S Slot loader DVD IDE (Motherboard IDE1 Master) Iomega Zip 250 IDE (Motherboard IDE1 slave) Liteon 24102B CD-RW IDE 24x (Motherboard IDE2 Master) Mitsumi Floppy Enlight midtower case with 300 Watt PSU Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack 4 By "boot drive" I assume you mean the drive with the Primary partition marked "active" that holds the ntldr and boot.ini and ntdetect.com files. I also assume that you can get the BIOS to list the hard drive boot order for you, and that you can display the contents of the boot.ini file. So... 1) Please list the *hard drive* boot order (including the PCI controller card if it's listed there along with the hard drives) 2) Please list the contents of the boot.ini file. 3) Which partition on which hard drive is "active" and has the "boot files"? Unlikely to be that when he gets a variable effect from boot to boot. Much more likely to be due to a Promise bug. |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
Timothy Daniels wrote:
"Dan_Musicant" wrote: This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Have you tried putting the Promise card in another PCI slot? Again, unlikely to produce a variable effect, boot to boot. |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
Timothy Daniels wrote: "Dan_Musicant" wrote: This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Have you tried putting the Promise card in another PCI slot? Again, unlikely to produce a variable effect, boot to boot. Tim's suggestion is a worthwhile one. While we've rarely run into problems along the lines described by the OP with that specific Promise card (by & large we've found it very reliable), we have encountered instances where a simple change from one PCI slot to another PCI slot corrected the erratic functioning of a particular card. It's worth a shot. Anna |
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Boot HD on Promise IDE card sometimes not detected
Anna wrote
Rod Speed wrote Timothy Daniels wrote "Dan_Musicant" wrote This is a persistent problem, but it doesn't happen all the time. I have two PC's and 2 "identical" Promise Ultra100 TX2 IDE controller cards. I bought a second such card partly to determine if the problem was due to the card or the machine. I found that the problem happened with either card on this particular machine. I put the other card in my other machine. The machine on which I have the problem has an Epox 8K7A motherboard. The problem is that 1/2 the time the machine doesn't detect the boot drive when it's attached to the Promise card. Have you tried putting the Promise card in another PCI slot? Again, unlikely to produce a variable effect, boot to boot. Tim's suggestion is a worthwhile one. Nope, not with the variable effect boot to boot that the OP is getting. While we've rarely run into problems along the lines described by the OP with that specific Promise card (by & large we've found it very reliable), Clearly others have. Presumably the wart is system specific, only seen with some systems, which explains how it got out into the field like that and Promise presumably cant be bothered running the problem to ground. we have encountered instances where a simple change from one PCI slot to another PCI slot corrected the erratic functioning of a particular card. Thats normally only seen when two cards are using the same IRQ and the drivers dont handle that properly. It's worth a shot. I said unlikely, not certain. |
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