Can you still buy "new" DELLs with XP...???

NJ_Annie wrote:
Can you still purchase a new PC from DELL with Windows XP as the
operating system? I am just very comfortable with XP and would like
it as my op system.

Thanks in advance

annie

Lots of Dell netbooks come with XP SP3.

Christopher Muto wrote:
Daddy wrote:
Christopher Muto wrote:
Christopher Muto wrote:
NJ_Annie wrote:
Can you still purchase a new PC from DELL with Windows XP as the
operating system? I am just very comfortable with XP and would like
it as my op system.

Thanks in advance

annie

technically you can only buy new computers with Windows 7, however
machines sold from the Dell Business and Education divisions can be
purchased with Windows 7 Professional with what they call a
'downgrade' of having it shipped with Windows XP Professional
pre-installed. In other words, XP Professional can be had
pre-installed on a new system, but you actually purchase Windows 7
Professional along with permission to run XP Professional. XP Home
can not be had in any way. Since Windows 7 Professional is not
available on any machines sold by Dell's Home division you can not
get a machine from them with Windows XP Professional pre-installed.

ps... machines purchased today with "windows 7 pro with xp pro
downgrade pre installed" do not come with a windows xp cd and they do
not have a dell system restore recovery partition. they do come with
the windows 7 pro dvd. if you need to restore the system with xp
dell (currently) will send you the required windows xp cd. either
way, the only way to restore these systems is from booting from an
operating system cd/dvd.

i find dell's decision to do this, particularly on their 'quickship'
machines, to be an example of how poorly run they are these days. if
the quickship systems with xp pro downgrade had system restore with
an image of windows 7 pro then these machines would serve a dual
purpose. people wanting either operating system would find these
machines desirable and provide dell with the ability to stock a
single inventory item.

To be fair to Dell: The 'downgrade to Windows XP' was not meant to be
a way for people to buy a Windows XP computer. The downgrade feature
is for XP users who have to upgrade to Windows 7 'now' (e.g., got a
new job; company is standardizing on Windows 7) and need time to learn
the new OS and perhaps upgrade their software. The anticipation is
that the user will move to Windows 7 within a short time.

To the OP: Whether you like it or not, XP is quickly becoming history.
You're not doing yourself any favors by clinging to it. I wish I could
still use Windows 98 SE and Netscape Navigator.

Daddy

i have no idea what you are trying to say.
microsoft states that they no longer sell windows xp. but they do sell
windows 7 pro with a license that states you may run windows xp pro
instead if you prefer. the reasons are pretty simple - microsoft
doesn't want to attribute any new sales to xp and corporations that are
not ready to migrate to windows 7 which requires significant costs in
hardware and software upgrades. these are microsoft issues. my comment
about dell is really simple, if they are not going to provide a windows
xp cd or a recovery partition on machines sold with the xp pro downgrade
then they should at least put an windows 7 recovery partition on it. it
would make recovery simple, make the pre built 'quick ship' machines
dual purpose, and cost them nothing to do so. it is almost as lame as
the fact that the quick ship machines are sold without monitors and the
monitors don't arrive until days later... making quickship desktops
pretty much a waste of money (they cos about 25% more than build to
order and you have to compromise on the configuration - and the
operating system in the case of xp downgrade machines).

Your insight into Microsoft's and Dell's business plans is astounding.

Daddy

Ann Watson wrote:
NJ_Annie wrote:
Can you still purchase a new PC from DELL with Windows XP as the
operating system? I am just very comfortable with XP and would like
it as my op system.

Thanks in advance

annie

Lots of Dell netbooks come with XP SP3.

actually that is windows xp "starter edition".
it has certain limitations such as only allowing 3 applications to be
open simultaneously. and since it is not 'professional' version it can
not join company networks with a windows domain controller. this
version of windows is an invention of microsoft since netbooks running
atom processors did not have the resources to run windows 7 and as sales
in netbooks running linux was rising microsoft had to come up with an
answer for some sort of operating system they could sell that could run
on a netbook...

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:51:50 -0400, Christopher Muto
wrote:

Ann Watson wrote:
NJ_Annie wrote:
Can you still purchase a new PC from DELL with Windows XP as the
operating system? I am just very comfortable with XP and would like
it as my op system.

Thanks in advance

annie

Lots of Dell netbooks come with XP SP3.

actually that is windows xp "starter edition".
it has certain limitations such as only allowing 3 applications to be
open simultaneously. and since it is not 'professional' version it can
not join company networks with a windows domain controller. this
version of windows is an invention of microsoft since netbooks running
atom processors did not have the resources to run windows 7 and as sales
in netbooks running linux was rising microsoft had to come up with an
answer for some sort of operating system they could sell that could run
on a netbook...

Chris are you off your meds? 8}
You, I and everybody else on this newsgroup knows there is no such
thing as "XP starter edition" and you were thinking of WIndows 7
starter edition.

Art

Star@*.* wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:51:50 -0400, Christopher Muto
wrote:

Ann Watson wrote:
NJ_Annie wrote:
Can you still purchase a new PC from DELL with Windows XP as the
operating system? I am just very comfortable with XP and would like
it as my op system.

Thanks in advance

annie
Lots of Dell netbooks come with XP SP3.
actually that is windows xp "starter edition".
it has certain limitations such as only allowing 3 applications to be
open simultaneously. and since it is not 'professional' version it can
not join company networks with a windows domain controller. this
version of windows is an invention of microsoft since netbooks running
atom processors did not have the resources to run windows 7 and as sales
in netbooks running linux was rising microsoft had to come up with an
answer for some sort of operating system they could sell that could run
on a netbook...

Chris are you off your meds? 8}
You, I and everybody else on this newsgroup knows there is no such
thing as "XP starter edition" and you were thinking of WIndows 7
starter edition.

Art


who knows what i was thinking... you are right, there is no windows xp
starter edition. and xp home is indeed sold on dell mini netbooks from
the home division. even vista is currently being sold on a couple of
dell mini models. as is the ridicolus windows 7 starter, and of course
linux too...

Daddy wrote:
To the OP: Whether you like it or not, XP is quickly becoming history.
You're not doing yourself any favors by clinging to it. I wish I could
still use Windows 98 SE and Netscape Navigator.


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On 4/11/2010 8:20 PM, Ron Hardin wrote:
Daddy wrote:
To the OP: Whether you like it or not, XP is quickly becoming history.
You're not doing yourself any favors by clinging to it. I wish I could
still use Windows 98 SE and Netscape Navigator.


I use Netscape Navigator for usenet, as the header of this message probably shows.

The "Help" button produces
Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 2.02
Copyright © 1994-1995 Netscape Communications Corporation, All rights reserved.


"XP is quickly becoming history." So Microsoft would like us all to
believe. Those XP machines are not disappearing very quickly though,
especially in parts of corporate America where there are home-grown apps
in use... Ben Myers

Ben Myers wrote:
On 4/11/2010 8:20 PM, Ron Hardin wrote:
Daddy wrote:
To the OP: Whether you like it or not, XP is quickly becoming history.
You're not doing yourself any favors by clinging to it. I wish I could
still use Windows 98 SE and Netscape Navigator.


I use Netscape Navigator for usenet, as the header of this message
probably shows.

The "Help" button produces
Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 2.02
Copyright © 1994-1995 Netscape Communications Corporation, All rights
reserved.


"XP is quickly becoming history." So Microsoft would like us all to
believe. Those XP machines are not disappearing very quickly though,
especially in parts of corporate America where there are home-grown apps
in use... Ben Myers


Indeed. My employer is clinging to Windows XP and IE 6 for dear life.
Our low-IQ system administrators have only fear and trepidation of the
future. They can barely keep our systems going as it is.

Daddy

On 4/11/2010 11:19 PM, Daddy wrote:
Ben Myers wrote:
On 4/11/2010 8:20 PM, Ron Hardin wrote:
Daddy wrote:
To the OP: Whether you like it or not, XP is quickly becoming history.
You're not doing yourself any favors by clinging to it. I wish I could
still use Windows 98 SE and Netscape Navigator.


I use Netscape Navigator for usenet, as the header of this message
probably shows.

The "Help" button produces
Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 2.02
Copyright © 1994-1995 Netscape Communications Corporation, All rights
reserved.


"XP is quickly becoming history." So Microsoft would like us all to
believe. Those XP machines are not disappearing very quickly though,
especially in parts of corporate America where there are home-grown
apps in use... Ben Myers


Indeed. My employer is clinging to Windows XP and IE 6 for dear life.
Our low-IQ system administrators have only fear and trepidation of the
future. They can barely keep our systems going as it is.

Daddy
It may be simple paranoia where you work, but some number of man-years
spent in development and testing of home grown apps is often enough for
companies to put off the changeover.

Maybe your company does not pay enough to attract and hire higher IQ
system administrators? ... Ben Myers

Ben Myers wrote:
On 4/11/2010 11:19 PM, Daddy wrote:
Ben Myers wrote:
On 4/11/2010 8:20 PM, Ron Hardin wrote:
Daddy wrote:
To the OP: Whether you like it or not, XP is quickly becoming history.
You're not doing yourself any favors by clinging to it. I wish I could
still use Windows 98 SE and Netscape Navigator.


I use Netscape Navigator for usenet, as the header of this message
probably shows.

The "Help" button produces
Netscape Navigator (TM) Version 2.02
Copyright © 1994-1995 Netscape Communications Corporation, All rights
reserved.


"XP is quickly becoming history." So Microsoft would like us all to
believe. Those XP machines are not disappearing very quickly though,
especially in parts of corporate America where there are home-grown
apps in use... Ben Myers


Indeed. My employer is clinging to Windows XP and IE 6 for dear life.
Our low-IQ system administrators have only fear and trepidation of the
future. They can barely keep our systems going as it is.

Daddy
It may be simple paranoia where you work, but some number of man-years
spent in development and testing of home grown apps is often enough for
companies to put off the changeover.

Maybe your company does not pay enough to attract and hire higher IQ
system administrators? ... Ben Myers

that's funny. i was thinking that when people talk trash about their
i.t. department it is really them talking trash about their company
management. the problem usually starts at the top because of management
that does not understand or appreciate the importance of i.t. to the
success of their business and so don't pay attention to it. this leads
them to tighten budgets to a point of false economies, ironically making
them pay more and get less. and they don't just pay more for
overextending the life cycle of systems but pay more in terms of lost
productivity from employees that become unhappy and disgruntle from
working in an environment that does not support them. this is a
separate issue from the debate on the need to upgrade to xp or not.
that is totally dependent on the goals and needs of the company, first
and foremost dictated by necessary applications which in turn dictate
the required os.