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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:06:11 GMT, "John Reynolds"
wrote: "John Lewis" wrote in message So, better start saving now for the 6800U ??? And power-supply. Might as well just get a new case and power supply of the style with the fan (hopefully quiet) in the middle of the cover and close to the 6800U......... John Lewis Before the R420 previews are even out? Nope. Ah, and at your age, I was rather hoping that a residual spark of true adventure still existed...... As for me, when I can afford it, the 6800U, regardless of the X800 --- not only for the graphics power, but the very powerful VPU and the strong likelihood that it will perform excellently with both current and my classic-legacy software, just as my current FX5900/56.72 does. Excluding Glide games, of course. My second machine has a V5 5500 with Win Me just for that purpose. John Lewis John |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:35:08 GMT, Pluvious
wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:52:07 -0400, "Zimmy" wrote: ||"John Lewis" wrote in message ... || From the nVidia news release:- || || "As DOOM 3 development winds to a close, my work has turned to || development of the next generation rendering technology. The NV40 is || my platform of choice due to its support of very long fragment || programs, generalized floating point blending and filtering, and the || extremely high performance," said John Carmack, president and || technical director of id Software || -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ||----------------------------- || ||Here is another John Carmack quote: || ||"The G-Force 3 is going to be THE card to run our next game, Doom3!" || I don't care what Carmack or Sweeny say about video cards folks... they are in bed together.. so its invalid. I'll let the specs and head to head reviews make my decisions for me thank you. Use your heads guys.. Actually I was rather amused to see the preview at HardOCP (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA2). The performance is now-where near where I expected. 10-15 fps better then the ATI 9800 XT is a joke. a) Different AA and Aniso settings. b) 60.72 is the VERY FIRST PUBLISHED driver for this card. It is probably going to take a year to fully optimise the compiler, so what you are seeing is the WORST performance for this card. Also, it is going to take a while for game- developers to "get their arms around" the new features. Of course I expect the 3rd party companies to juice up the card a bit. Not much, if you are thinking hardware, like overclock. Silicon design tools have got more accurate and process variations smaller. I suspect that 450 max overclock will be a norm on this giant part without water-cooling or similar. Hoiwever, this is a hugely-programmable part. Any spectacular performance improvements will come from software magic. We'll see.. but my money is on ATI for retaining the crown this next generation. It will be a little tilted regardless. NVidia has executed a brilliant design; let's hope for Ati's sake that their crown doesn't fall off and be trampled by the herd queueing up to buy variants of the 6800. John Lewis Pluvious |
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"John Lewis" wrote in message
... Ah, and at your age, I was rather hoping that a residual spark of true adventure still existed...... As for me, when I can afford it, the 6800U, regardless of the X800 --- not only for the graphics power, but the very powerful VPU and the strong likelihood that it will perform excellently with both current and my classic-legacy software, just as my current FX5900/56.72 does. Excluding Glide games, of course. My second machine has a V5 5500 with Win Me just for that purpose. John Lewis The wise man waits, while fools rush in. Besides, both parts are liable to reach the market relatively close to one another. No sense making up my mind when neither are available yet. John |
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"John Lewis" wrote in message
It will be a little tilted regardless. NVidia has executed a brilliant design; let's hope for Ati's sake that their crown doesn't fall off and be trampled by the herd queueing up to buy variants of the 6800. John Lewis The herd is a good word to use to describe anyone who's already made up their minds at this point in time. John |
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"K" wrote in message
news On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:46:42 +0000, John Reynolds wrote: The herd is a good word to use to describe anyone who's already made up their minds at this point in time. Much rather have a herd of people who want the best for their money rather than a herd of fanboys saying that they'll wait for their beloved gfx company to come out with something better. And where have I written that R420 will be better? I merely suggested waiting until both parts were announced, previewed, and then making a decision. If you can find a fanboy-like behavior in that course of action, more power to 'ya. As far as I'm concerned the numbers speak for themselves and my next card will be by Nvidia. I currently own a R9600 Pro, it was the best bang for the buck at the time but ATI's ****ty Linux support has left a bad taste in my mouth. The #s speak for themselves, but against what? Last generation's products? Well, I would certainly expect a next gen. product to outperform last gen. parts, but I'm just funny that way. John |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:35:08 +0000, Pluvious wrote:
Actually I was rather amused to see the preview at HardOCP (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA2). The performance is now-where near where I expected. 10-15 fps better then the ATI 9800 XT is a joke. Of course I expect the 3rd party companies to juice up the card a bit. We'll see.. but my money is on ATI for retaining the crown this next generation. It's a bad review that's typical of those ****wits at HardOCP. It's not that they're biased, just that most of their reviews have more holes in them than a Swiss cheese. What they are trying, and totally failing to do, is set each card at it's maximum settings that will produce similar results and get a feel for 'the overall gaming experience'. For example they set the GF6800 to 1600x1200 with x8AF and 4xAA and compare it to the 9800XT at 1280x1024 with no AA or AF. So what happens is that many people like yourself will quickly scan over the graphs and think 'hmm, the GF isn't much faster than the Radeon.' I suggest you check out Anandtech if you want credible reviews. K |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:36:41 +0100, "Derek Baker"
wrote: "Pluvious" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:52:07 -0400, "Zimmy" wrote: ||"John Lewis" wrote in message ... || From the nVidia news release:- || || "As DOOM 3 development winds to a close, my work has turned to || development of the next generation rendering technology. The NV40 is || my platform of choice due to its support of very long fragment || programs, generalized floating point blending and filtering, and the || extremely high performance," said John Carmack, president and || technical director of id Software || ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ||----------------------------- || ||Here is another John Carmack quote: || ||"The G-Force 3 is going to be THE card to run our next game, Doom3!" || I don't care what Carmack or Sweeny say about video cards folks... they are in bed together.. so its invalid. I'll let the specs and head to head reviews make my decisions for me thank you. Use your heads guys.. Actually I was rather amused to see the preview at HardOCP (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA2). The performance is now-where near where I expected. 10-15 fps better then the ATI 9800 XT is a joke. Of course I expect the 3rd party companies to juice up the card a bit. We'll see.. but my money is on ATI for retaining the crown this next generation. Pluvious Yes, but note how HardOCP test - with different settings for different cards for many of the tests. Look here for a case of a doubling of performance: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2023&p=13 So how much are these new super cards going to cost ? Twice the cost of the PC I install it in ? |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:46:42 +0000, John Reynolds wrote:
The herd is a good word to use to describe anyone who's already made up their minds at this point in time. Much rather have a herd of people who want the best for their money rather than a herd of fanboys saying that they'll wait for their beloved gfx company to come out with something better. As far as I'm concerned the numbers speak for themselves and my next card will be by Nvidia. I currently own a R9600 Pro, it was the best bang for the buck at the time but ATI's ****ty Linux support has left a bad taste in my mouth. K |
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"Destroy" wrote in message ... And how much did nVidia pay Activison/id for the Doom 3 deal? I've heard 4-5 million. Gwarsch! Carmack has sold out to nVidia!! He's deh devil!! He also seems to be in bed with Intel. His engines always run better on nonAMD systems. LOL I know you're kidding. I hear he's also cozy with Microsoft since his games are first released on their platforms. Like Intel, their lion's share of the market has *nothing* to do with it. |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:51:24 +0000, K wrote:
||On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:35:08 +0000, Pluvious wrote: || || || Actually I was rather amused to see the preview at HardOCP || (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA2). The performance is || now-where near where I expected. 10-15 fps better then the ATI 9800 XT || is a joke. Of course I expect the 3rd party companies to juice up the || card a bit. We'll see.. but my money is on ATI for retaining the crown || this next generation. || || || ||It's a bad review that's typical of those ****wits at HardOCP. It's not ||that they're biased, just that most of their reviews have more holes in ||them than a Swiss cheese. What they are trying, and totally failing to do, ||is set each card at it's maximum settings that will produce similar ||results and get a feel for 'the overall gaming experience'. For example ||they set the GF6800 to 1600x1200 with x8AF and 4xAA and compare it to the ||9800XT at 1280x1024 with no AA or AF. So what happens is that many people ||like yourself will quickly scan over the graphs and think 'hmm, the GF ||isn't much faster than the Radeon.' I suggest you check out Anandtech if ||you want credible reviews. || ||K HardOCP was the first 'preview' I read. This one is a lot better and has the numbers I would have expected from a "next generation" card. We're talking 100's of frames now.. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...play/nv40.html Pluvious |
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