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Old June 15th 04, 02:39 AM
Wilf
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I built a AMD 2200+ on the A7N8x non dlx in Sept of 2003.
It has been working fine until today, I ran Prime 95 and left the room to do other things.
When I came back, maybe half an hour later I turned on the monitor to
see the results. The Monitor remained dark I placed my hand behind the
power supply fan to feel for heat since today was warm. It seemed warm
but could not feel any air movement I looked at the fan and it was not
working then I tried a warm reboot ctrl+alt+delete nothing was working
so I pulled the plug to let it cool. Now that it's cooled nothing
happens i believe the power supply is dead, if that is the case would
it damage anything else? I figured I would ask the group before
tearing it apart, since I don't want to cause more damage than I
already have.
Should I replace the power supply and see what happens?
Thanks.
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Old June 15th 04, 03:17 AM
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It sounds like the powersupply got hot. DOes the power supply have an on off
switch? Try switching it off then on. Then turn on the computer. If this
works, then the PSU (Power Supply) fan(s) probably siezed. IF that is the
case, then replace the PSU and you're good to go.

Also. IT's not a good idea to turn off and on the monitor while the computer
is running. It reduces the life of the monitor and possibly the computer
itself. THat's what screensavers and those power settings within windows are
for.

Hope this helps

"Wilf" wrote in message
...

I built a AMD 2200+ on the A7N8x non dlx in Sept of 2003.
It has been working fine until today, I ran Prime 95 and left the room to

do other things.
When I came back, maybe half an hour later I turned on the monitor to
see the results. The Monitor remained dark I placed my hand behind the
power supply fan to feel for heat since today was warm. It seemed warm
but could not feel any air movement I looked at the fan and it was not
working then I tried a warm reboot ctrl+alt+delete nothing was working
so I pulled the plug to let it cool. Now that it's cooled nothing
happens i believe the power supply is dead, if that is the case would
it damage anything else? I figured I would ask the group before
tearing it apart, since I don't want to cause more damage than I
already have.
Should I replace the power supply and see what happens?
Thanks.



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Old June 15th 04, 08:17 AM
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For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from? You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor. A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.

If the fans in the PS are stuck or not moving freely, you might
carefully peel off the bearing seal (it's on one side of the fan,
looks like a small sticky circle) and lube the bearing with a couple
drops of some decent quality lube (I use the Teflon based stuff, a
light lube oil) and this brings most fans back to life. Carefully
replace the sticky bearing seal over the fan bearing opening.
However, if after cooling off your rig, the PS did not come to life on
depressing the power switch, I'd suspect it went south and the PS
would be the first item I'd swap out.

--
Best regards,
Kyle
"Bill" wrote in message
news | It sounds like the powersupply got hot. DOes the power supply have
an on off
| switch? Try switching it off then on. Then turn on the computer. If
this
| works, then the PSU (Power Supply) fan(s) probably siezed. IF that
is the
| case, then replace the PSU and you're good to go.
|
| Also. IT's not a good idea to turn off and on the monitor while the
computer
| is running. It reduces the life of the monitor and possibly the
computer
| itself. THat's what screensavers and those power settings within
windows are
| for.
|
| Hope this helps
|
| "Wilf" wrote in message
| ...
|
| I built a AMD 2200+ on the A7N8x non dlx in Sept of 2003.
| It has been working fine until today, I ran Prime 95 and left the
room to
| do other things.
| When I came back, maybe half an hour later I turned on the monitor
to
| see the results. The Monitor remained dark I placed my hand behind
the
| power supply fan to feel for heat since today was warm. It seemed
warm
| but could not feel any air movement I looked at the fan and it was
not
| working then I tried a warm reboot ctrl+alt+delete nothing was
working
| so I pulled the plug to let it cool. Now that it's cooled nothing
| happens i believe the power supply is dead, if that is the case
would
| it damage anything else? I figured I would ask the group before
| tearing it apart, since I don't want to cause more damage than I
| already have.
| Should I replace the power supply and see what happens?
| Thanks.
|
|

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Old June 15th 04, 11:42 AM
_P_e_ar_lALegend
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Il Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:17:47 -0500, Kylesb ha scritto:

For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from? You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor. A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.


I do agree. It's the same when monitor go in power save option. It is
turned on and off exactly like when u turn it on and off via power button,
especially new generation and LCD screens :-(((

I call it disinformation :-((

BTW, on the subject: too many people run cpu torture software also when it
is not needed.

I usually set my computer up, then I use it for everyday task: if it never
fail, I don't feel the need to run critical software. I just use software
like Prime95 if everything not work as expected.
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Old June 15th 04, 01:33 PM
Paul
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In article , _P_e_ar_lALegend
wrote:

Il Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:17:47 -0500, Kylesb ha scritto:

For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from? You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor. A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.


I do agree. It's the same when monitor go in power save option. It is
turned on and off exactly like when u turn it on and off via power button,
especially new generation and LCD screens :-(((

I call it disinformation :-((

BTW, on the subject: too many people run cpu torture software also when it
is not needed.

I usually set my computer up, then I use it for everyday task: if it never
fail, I don't feel the need to run critical software. I just use software
like Prime95 if everything not work as expected.


The purpose of running tests like memtest86, Prime95, and 3DMark2001se,
is to detect broken hardware before the 15 day return period is up
with your vendor. It is easier to return an item to your vendor, than
to arrange a warranty return with the manufacturer.

You should run memtest86, so memory errors don't cause something
critical, like your registry, to get damaged. Any info read from
disk into memory, then later written back out, could get corrupted
by the use of bad memory. That is a good reason to run a memory test
program, before you even install an OS (memtest86 self boots from
a floppy disk).

Prime95 causes the processor to heat up. It tells you whether your
CPU and case cooling are adequate. If Prime95 gets roundoff errors,
that could indicate that a portion of your CPU is bad, and cannot
be trusted to calculate your income tax return :-) It could also
indicate something is wrong with the Vcore regulator on the motherboard,
with the Northbridge, or with the size of your PSU, on rails like +12V.

I use 3DMark2001SE and Dxdiag, from DirectX, to determine whether
my AGP video card is set up in the most efficient manner possible.
For example, on my last build, I found AGP textures were disabled,
by looking in the Dxdiag screen. Running 3DMark, I could see a
difference in the score going from 14000 to 17000, when AGP textures
were re-enabled. Using programs like this, helps you tweak and get
the performance you paid for.

I always recommend running test programs when the hardware is new.
You can use the programs to collect baseline information - like
the memory bandwidth readout in memtest86, the score in 3DMark and
the temperature rise of the CPU, above the measured case temp and
the room temperature at the time. You can refer to these values
in the future. For example, say you run Prime95, and the CPU gets
up to 55C. If you run the test a year from now, with same room temp
and case internal temp, and the CPU is at 60C+, that might be a good
indication of the need to renew the thermal compound on the CPU.
You won't know when to do it, unless you know the history of your
hardware.

HTH,
Paul
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Old June 15th 04, 05:18 PM
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In message , Kylesb
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For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from? You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor. A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.


Got to disagree with your disagreement!

Electronically switching the monitor into standby is far less
problematic than using the mechanical power switch.
Firstly, power switches arc and are one of the first things to fail.
Secondly, the degaussing power surge is pretty large, its just not good
for anything (a UPS takes a bit of a battering !).
The monitor switch works, but its just better not to use it if you can.

Its like saying a car is designed to be turned on and off.
Yes, but its the time when maximum engine wear also takes place!

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Old June 15th 04, 10:13 PM
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"Gareth Jones" wrote in message
...
In message , Kylesb
writes
For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from? You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor. A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.


Got to disagree with your disagreement!

Electronically switching the monitor into standby is far less
problematic than using the mechanical power switch.
Firstly, power switches arc and are one of the first things to fail.
Secondly, the degaussing power surge is pretty large, its just not good
for anything (a UPS takes a bit of a battering !).
The monitor switch works, but its just better not to use it if you can.

Its like saying a car is designed to be turned on and off.
Yes, but its the time when maximum engine wear also takes place!

--



ROTFLOL!!!!!!

Ken


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Old June 15th 04, 10:43 PM
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ROTFLOL!!!!!!


I'm glad the floor is getting to know you better ...... but its
difficult to tell exactly what you're laughing at??

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Old June 15th 04, 11:02 PM
Bill
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"Kylesb" wrote in message
...
For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from?


NOT!

You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor.


Not entirely true.

A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.


True. Some.


If the fans in the PS are stuck or not moving freely, you might
carefully peel off the bearing seal (it's on one side of the fan,
looks like a small sticky circle) and lube the bearing with a couple
drops of some decent quality lube (I use the Teflon based stuff, a
light lube oil) and this brings most fans back to life. Carefully
replace the sticky bearing seal over the fan bearing opening.
However, if after cooling off your rig, the PS did not come to life on
depressing the power switch, I'd suspect it went south and the PS
would be the first item I'd swap out.


This is a temporary solution. The PSU will just die again later because the
fan motor had been stressed in the first place. You'd have to lube it up
more and more often. Worth a try though.


--
Best regards,
Kyle
"Bill" wrote in message
news | It sounds like the powersupply got hot. DOes the power supply have
an on off
| switch? Try switching it off then on. Then turn on the computer. If
this
| works, then the PSU (Power Supply) fan(s) probably siezed. IF that
is the
| case, then replace the PSU and you're good to go.
|
| Also. IT's not a good idea to turn off and on the monitor while the
computer
| is running. It reduces the life of the monitor and possibly the
computer
| itself. THat's what screensavers and those power settings within
windows are
| for.
|
| Hope this helps
|
| "Wilf" wrote in message
| ...
|
| I built a AMD 2200+ on the A7N8x non dlx in Sept of 2003.
| It has been working fine until today, I ran Prime 95 and left the
room to
| do other things.
| When I came back, maybe half an hour later I turned on the monitor
to
| see the results. The Monitor remained dark I placed my hand behind
the
| power supply fan to feel for heat since today was warm. It seemed
warm
| but could not feel any air movement I looked at the fan and it was
not
| working then I tried a warm reboot ctrl+alt+delete nothing was
working
| so I pulled the plug to let it cool. Now that it's cooled nothing
| happens i believe the power supply is dead, if that is the case
would
| it damage anything else? I figured I would ask the group before
| tearing it apart, since I don't want to cause more damage than I
| already have.
| Should I replace the power supply and see what happens?
| Thanks.
|
|



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Old June 15th 04, 11:50 PM
Ken Maltby
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"Gareth Jones" wrote in message
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In message , Kylesb
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For pete's sake, where does all the disinformation come from? You can
turn your monitor off any time you like and it will NOT harm the
computer nor the monitor. A monitor is designed to endure some
reasonable quantity of power cycling.


Got to disagree with your disagreement!

Electronically switching the monitor into standby is far less
problematic than using the mechanical power switch.


Which might mean something if you never actually remove
the power from the monitor, for most users leaving the monitor
in standby or on 24/7 would bring the monitor closer to failure
ratings than cycling the power a few times a day. Now if you
have a sugared-up hyperactive 7yr old playing with the power
switch, all bets are off.

Firstly, power switches arc and are one of the first things to fail.


Check out the MTBF on such power switches someday. If
you work in an explosive atmosphere that arc might be an issue,
I suggest you keep your monitor out of any battery boxes while the
batteries are charging.

Secondly, the degaussing power surge is pretty large, its just not good
for anything (a UPS takes a bit of a battering !).


It might be good for Oh.... degaussing?? An UPS should be able
to take it, it's designed to handle more than that, or why have one.

The monitor switch works, but its just better not to use it if you can.

In a way, I agree as I have mine on a switched power strip and
the monitor has its power cutoff right along with everything else.

Its like saying a car is designed to be turned on and off.
Yes, but its the time when maximum engine wear also takes place!


Yes, all those moving parts in my monitor. Wait the only moving
parts ARE switches, maybe you DO have a point.

LoL;
Ken



 




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