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GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H memory question
When I built my system, I bought 4GB of G.SKILL 240-Pin DDR2 800 RAM
(2x2GB chips). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231111 My day job is doing Motion Graphics using After Effects and Cinema 4D which both run without any problems. I never have any isssues with corrupted images or corrupted video files. During my "off time", I play World of Warcraft and I have been having issues since the new expansion came out with graphics image files getting corrupted and the game crashing on me. I have done everything that Blizzard has asked and worked with a couple of different techs and the final conclusion THEY came to is that I am not using memory listed on the "approved memory" list for the motherboard manual, so therefore my memory (even though it passes all memory tests) is causing the corruption and not their crappy software. Is there ANY possibility that this is true? Especially considering that I run 30 hour renders and do high end 3D rendering on a regular basis with no issues. Is it worth it for me to swap out the G.SKILL memory for something on Gigabyte's list? |
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GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H memory question
DaveN wrote:
When I built my system, I bought 4GB of G.SKILL 240-Pin DDR2 800 RAM (2x2GB chips). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231111 My day job is doing Motion Graphics using After Effects and Cinema 4D which both run without any problems. I never have any isssues with corrupted images or corrupted video files. During my "off time", I play World of Warcraft and I have been having issues since the new expansion came out with graphics image files getting corrupted and the game crashing on me. I have done everything that Blizzard has asked and worked with a couple of different techs and the final conclusion THEY came to is that I am not using memory listed on the "approved memory" list for the motherboard manual, so therefore my memory (even though it passes all memory tests) is causing the corruption and not their crappy software. Is there ANY possibility that this is true? Especially considering that I run 30 hour renders and do high end 3D rendering on a regular basis with no issues. Is it worth it for me to swap out the G.SKILL memory for something on Gigabyte's list? The Newegg reviews look pretty good, in terms of the number of issues people are having. The memory is loose, at 6-6-6-18 DDR2-800 and 1.9V, meaning they've slacked off on the specs to make it easier to make. I have a pack of CAS5 memory and a pack of CAS4 memory, and there are even some CAS3 DDR2-800 out there. So CAS6 is pretty loose (easy to make timing). I don't give any credence to approved memory lists. First of all, they may not use statistically significant numbers of DIMMs for testing. Testing a single package of DIMMs to make one entry in the table, is not real testing. Some of the Asus lists, may show "fail" when a single stick is used and "pass" when four sticks are used. I've occasionally seen, on enthusiast sites, that "brand x" memory chips don't like "brand y" chipsets. So there can be issues which have not been addressed by the people who write the BIOS. The chips have adjustments, such as clock skew, drive strength settings and the like, and not all of those may be exposed in the BIOS. And even if they were exposed, without a storage scope to look at, it may be hard to dial the thing in. Trying values in an eight bit register randomly, isn't going to lead to success quickly. On my own cheesy motherboard, 1GB sticks work fine, but 2GB sticks do not. And I've seen mention before, that the tuning for those is a bit different. Even though, if you look at some chip specs, a few of the specs appear to be identical. When I test my board, I can run Prime95 for a while without an error. Then, if I leave enough spare memory to run a game, I'll find that one Prime95 thread will die with an error, after the game starts. So in that example, adding the game does seem to make a difference to my test results. You can get Prime95 multithreaded here. You can test with Prime95 by itself. Then "stop" and "exit", start WOW, alt-tab out, start Prime95 setting the custom memory setting to a reasonable value (don't use all the remaining memory), and then go back to WOW. See how long Prime95 runs under those conditions, and compare to how long Prime95 runs by itself. http://majorgeeks.com/Prime95_d4363.html On my Asrock motherboard with DDR2 RAM, I'm basically using the same settings I started with the first day I got the board. Because it isn't truly stable with anything else. For another experimental test case, you can drop down to a single 2GB stick, and see if that helps. If it does help, that lets Blizzard Tech Support off the hook :-) Since you have an AMD processor, with the memory controller actually inside the processor, the chipset should not influence memory issues. It is the processor's ability to drive the memory bus, that is at issue. Sometimes, a little extra Vdimm will help. Or changing Command Rate to 2T, if it isn't there already. Paul |
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GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H memory question
I don't give any credence to approved memory lists.
Those lists are also not fixed in stone. It is the approved memory list at the time the manual was made or the web page was updated. Those lists change all the time but there is no way they could test every single type of memory, memory that would run fine on the board. --g |
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GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H memory question
"geoff" wrote in message m... I don't give any credence to approved memory lists. Those lists are also not fixed in stone. It is the approved memory list at the time the manual was made or the web page was updated. Those lists change all the time but there is no way they could test every single type of memory, memory that would run fine on the board. --g As above. What Blizzard is saying is code for "we don't have a clue" Why would the original run fine and not the expansion? |
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GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H memory question
"geoff" wrote in message m... I don't give any credence to approved memory lists. Those lists are also not fixed in stone. It is the approved memory list at the time the manual was made or the web page was updated. Those lists change all the time but there is no way they could test every single type of memory, memory that would run fine on the board. --g Does that make us beta testers for them, then we complain to mfgr they take it off list if there are too many complaints... lol and we keep buying new gear P |
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GIGABYTE GA-MA78G-DS3H memory question
"pokey man" wrote in message ... "geoff" wrote in message m... I don't give any credence to approved memory lists. Those lists are also not fixed in stone. It is the approved memory list at the time the manual was made or the web page was updated. Those lists change all the time but there is no way they could test every single type of memory, memory that would run fine on the board. --g Does that make us beta testers for them, then we complain to mfgr they take it off list if there are too many complaints... lol and we keep buying new gear P If you're that concerned, then you buy from the list. MS do the same thing, but I expect it may cost the manufacturer to have your product "certified". I've never had a problem, other than bad memory, with buying cheap memory modules in any board. I could be wrong but I think a few of these memory manufactureres build outside the specs. |
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