Last AGP card for older System

My son has a AMD X2 4200 system that has a wonky X850XT PE card in it.
What would be the last AGP card available from nVidia and how would it
compare to AMD's last card which I believe is a HD3850 from Sapphire

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Phat_Jethro aka Jethro[AGHL] wrote:
My son has a AMD X2 4200 system that has a wonky X850XT PE card in it.
What would be the last AGP card available from nVidia and how would it
compare to AMD's last card which I believe is a HD3850 from Sapphire


The last commonly available NVidia AGP GPU's were the 7600GS/GT and
7900GS. Both of these are considerably less capable than the 3850.
There have been a few oddball AGP conversion since then, like (I
believe) an 8400 AGP/PCI, but that's really not useful to many people.

I've recommended an X1950 Pro to my friends still using AGP systems. It
benchmarks considerably faster than a 7900GS and so far has proven
reliable. The 3850 is a faster chip (almost the speed of an 8800GS and
possibly an 8800GT in it's PCIE version).

The AMD's are cheap and available, whereas the NVIDIA AGP stock is
pretty much gone by now, so don't fret over it much.

"Phat_Jethro aka Jethro[AGHL]" wrote in message
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My son has a AMD X2 4200 system that has a wonky X850XT PE card in it.
What would be the last AGP card available from nVidia and how would it
compare to AMD's last card which I believe is a HD3850 from Sapphire

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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
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still a few listed

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/p...x1y0z1p0s0n0m0

deimos wrote:
Phat_Jethro aka Jethro[AGHL] wrote:
My son has a AMD X2 4200 system that has a wonky X850XT PE card in it.
What would be the last AGP card available from nVidia and how would it
compare to AMD's last card which I believe is a HD3850 from Sapphire


The last commonly available NVidia AGP GPU's were the 7600GS/GT and
7900GS. Both of these are considerably less capable than the 3850.
There have been a few oddball AGP conversion since then, like (I
believe) an 8400 AGP/PCI, but that's really not useful to many people.

I've recommended an X1950 Pro to my friends still using AGP systems. It
benchmarks considerably faster than a 7900GS and so far has proven
reliable. The 3850 is a faster chip (almost the speed of an 8800GS and
possibly an 8800GT in it's PCIE version).

The AMD's are cheap and available, whereas the NVIDIA AGP stock is
pretty much gone by now, so don't fret over it much.

Thanks for the info. I was wondering how well nVidia was keeping the AGP
line and as I see... not well.
The HD3850 is still kinda pricey for the older PC he's got. I'll check
to see what I can get for a X1950.

Thx

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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
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How's the search going for you? :-) Fact of the matter is, both type of
cards are discontinued, and you are just buying up diminishing stock. Normal
rules such as "slower card should be cheaper" don't apply.

Lowest price I could find online for X1950 Pro AGP in new condition (not
used or open box) is $153:
http://www.nextdaypc.com/main/produc...inid=ND0130014

Lowest price for a HD3850 AGP in new condition is $110:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102730

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Phat_Jethro aka Jethro[AGHL]" wrote in message
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Thanks for the info. I was wondering how well nVidia was keeping the AGP
line and as I see... not well.
The HD3850 is still kinda pricey for the older PC he's got. I'll check to
see what I can get for a X1950.

Thx

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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
Reply Email: jethro86 (at) gmail (dot) com

First of One wrote:
How's the search going for you? :-) Fact of the matter is, both type of
cards are discontinued, and you are just buying up diminishing stock. Normal
rules such as "slower card should be cheaper" don't apply.

Lowest price I could find online for X1950 Pro AGP in new condition (not
used or open box) is $153:
http://www.nextdaypc.com/main/produc...inid=ND0130014

Lowest price for a HD3850 AGP in new condition is $110:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102730


My local shop only has a Asus 3450 $60
http://www.pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=...H3450-HTP-256M


The 2 online shops I have used have:
Sapphire 3650 $104
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...9699&CatId=318
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...nufacture=ASUS

Sapphire 3850 $150-$166
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...5381&CatId=318
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ure=SAPPHI RE
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p... e=PowerColor

How would the 3650 stack up to a maligned X850XT PE?

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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
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Bill wrote:
In article ,
says...
My son has a AMD X2 4200 system that has a wonky X850XT PE card in it.
What would be the last AGP card available from nVidia and how would it
compare to AMD's last card which I believe is a HD3850 from Sapphire

What was wrong with the answers you got a few weeks ago when you asked
this question in the ATI group?

Bill

I was asking about an ATI replacement and now I am wondering if there
are any comparable nVidia replacements... which there doesn't seem to be.
Lessons learned and now I know where to focus my research.

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You are in the Ottawa area? I was referring to $USD prices. Prices in $CAD
will be naturally higher.

Because there is a 3-generation gap between the two cards, not many people
do benchmark comparisons between the two. The 3650 is slower by as much as
21% in Tomshardware tests. Note the tests used an X800XT, which has slower
clocks than the X850XTPE but otherwise has the same number of shader units
and pipelines.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...andx4,768.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...andx4,762.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...andx4,744.html

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"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

"Phat_Jethro aka Jethro[AGHL]" wrote in message
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First of One wrote:
How's the search going for you? :-) Fact of the matter is, both type of
cards are discontinued, and you are just buying up diminishing stock.
Normal rules such as "slower card should be cheaper" don't apply.

Lowest price I could find online for X1950 Pro AGP in new condition (not
used or open box) is $153:
http://www.nextdaypc.com/main/produc...inid=ND0130014

Lowest price for a HD3850 AGP in new condition is $110:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102730


My local shop only has a Asus 3450 $60
http://www.pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=...H3450-HTP-256M


The 2 online shops I have used have:
Sapphire 3650 $104
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...9699&CatId=318
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...nufacture=ASUS

Sapphire 3850 $150-$166
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...5381&CatId=318
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ure=SAPPHI RE
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p... e=PowerColor

How would the 3650 stack up to a maligned X850XT PE?

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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
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First of One wrote:
You are in the Ottawa area? I was referring to $USD prices. Prices in $CAD
will be naturally higher.

Because there is a 3-generation gap between the two cards, not many people
do benchmark comparisons between the two. The 3650 is slower by as much as
21% in Tomshardware tests. Note the tests used an X800XT, which has slower
clocks than the X850XTPE but otherwise has the same number of shader units
and pipelines.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...andx4,768.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...andx4,762.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g...andx4,744.html


So the 3650 which is 3 generations newer is actually slower than the
X850XT?

But then again if the X850XT is not working right and giving only 9 fps
in TF2, it's not really running faster than a HD3650. :-\

Thanks,
J
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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
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Yep. Why do you think both nVidia and AMD's marketing depts continuously
crank out new naming schemes? :-)

The 3650 was conceived from the beginning as a low-end card, whereas the
X850XT was selling for $500+ at launch. With process shrinks they can cram
more shader units into the GPU without raising cost. However, certain things
like PCB manufacturing and memory chips don't drop in price as quickly as
the GPU. The 3650 is hobbled by 800 MHz memory on a 128-bit interface,
resulting in 32% less memory bandwidth than the X850XTPE.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Phat_Jethro aka Jethro[AGHL]" wrote in message
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So the 3650 which is 3 generations newer is actually slower than the
X850XT?

But then again if the X850XT is not working right and giving only 9 fps in
TF2, it's not really running faster than a HD3650. :-\

Thanks,
J
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Jethro[AGHL] aka Phat_Jethro
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