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Replaced 6800GT with 7950GT... results..
So I replaced my 6800GT with a 7950GT today as games were struggling
somewhat. I priced a new system at around £700 but since that's a bit beyond my price range I opted for a graphics card update and I will upgrade the entire pc at a later date. Unfortunately I didn't run 3dmark06 (free version 1.1.0) with my 6800GT in so I can't compare to the results I got now (daft of me I know), but I've just ran 3dmark06 and I got a result of 4239. I wasn't expecting a WOW amount of increase with the new card but this figure seems a little low to me (based on what I know of 3dmark06), as I'm only using the free version of 3dmark I can't directly compare to other systems with a similar configuration to me but on the graph it shows my pc at the lower end of the scale, the lowest score being 4195. I'm running the latest beta drivers, I drivercleaned before installing the new card. I know that my ram & CPU are probably letting me down (1.5 gig, non-matched) but given the price it wouldn't be worth me replacing it, I would spend a few quid on another 512meg to fill the last slot though. My processor is a pentium 4 3.2ghz and I'm running windows XP. Is there anything else I should be looking at or is this the best I'm going to get? Should I look at clocking the card a bit, if so what is the best software to do that as I've heard ntune is poo. Many thanks!! Moo -- My blog - http://degeneratemoo.livejournal.com |
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Replaced 6800GT with 7950GT... results..
Moo wrote:
So I replaced my 6800GT with a 7950GT today as games were struggling somewhat. I priced a new system at around £700 but since that's a bit beyond my price range I opted for a graphics card update and I will upgrade the entire pc at a later date. Unfortunately I didn't run 3dmark06 (free version 1.1.0) with my 6800GT in so I can't compare to the results I got now (daft of me I know), but I've just ran 3dmark06 and I got a result of 4239. I wasn't expecting a WOW amount of increase with the new card but this figure seems a little low to me (based on what I know of 3dmark06), as I'm only using the free version of 3dmark I can't directly compare to other systems with a similar configuration to me but on the graph it shows my pc at the lower end of the scale, the lowest score being 4195. I'm running the latest beta drivers, I drivercleaned before installing the new card. I know that my ram & CPU are probably letting me down (1.5 gig, non-matched) but given the price it wouldn't be worth me replacing it, I would spend a few quid on another 512meg to fill the last slot though. My processor is a pentium 4 3.2ghz and I'm running windows XP. Is there anything else I should be looking at or is this the best I'm going to get? Should I look at clocking the card a bit, if so what is the best software to do that as I've heard ntune is poo. Many thanks!! Moo Just to clarify, the WOW isn't short for world of warcraft ha ha! -- My blog - http://degeneratemoo.livejournal.com |
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"Moo" je napisao u poruci interesnoj grupi: cut U need stronger CPU.Missfortune is that pentium is last in line (and strongest) for that AGP platform.So,u have only one choice.Squize that P4 and o`clock it to 3600,3700.And u have no other option.Get Zalman ALCU 7000 and overclock it. |
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Romano wrote:
"Moo" je napisao u poruci interesnoj grupi: cut U need stronger CPU.Missfortune is that pentium is last in line (and strongest) for that AGP platform.So,u have only one choice.Squize that P4 and o`clock it to 3600,3700.And u have no other option.Get Zalman ALCU 7000 and overclock it. I have a Zalman, erm, can't remember what type it is, it looks like this one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-015-ZA really not sure how I would go about overclocking the processor, can you give me some pointers? -- My blog - http://degeneratemoo.livejournal.com |
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"Moo" je napisao u poruci interesnoj grupi: I have a Zalman, erm, can't remember what type it is, it looks like this one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-015-ZA really not sure how I would go about overclocking the processor, can you give me some pointers? That Zalman will be great.Ofc,there is other factors,like temp in case,best solution is to have open case.U need to go in bios and increase FSB frequency,by lets say starting by 10.Now run "burn cpu" test for 10-15 min,if everything is ok,proceed to higher FSB and so on until u found most stable settings.Also,if u have FSB/MEM ratio cut it to 1:2 because maybe ur memory can't handle increased FSB (i'm talking about ddr400) |
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'Moo' wrote:
| I have a Zalman, erm, can't remember what type it is, it looks like this | one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-015-ZA | really not sure how I would go about overclocking the processor, can you | give me some pointers? _____ Try the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.overclocking . On the news server that I use retention for alt.comp.hardware.overclocking goes back to mid 2003. Contributors have been overclocking since the Pentium 90 and Apple //e (well, for the Apple //e you just swapped the 1 MHz ! CPU for a hybrid IC that contained an 8 MHz CPU and a high speed cache.) Basically any Intel CPU is protected against damage by overheating, but if you must raise the CPU core voltage, be careful to keep the voltage below 110% as too high a CPU core voltage will instantly destroy the CPU. The only way to overclock Intel CPUs since the Pentium II 300 is to raise the FrontSide Bus speed (unless you have an Extreme Edition Core 2 Duo or Quad.) Raising the CPU core voltage may be necessary. What you do to overclock is to swap temperature, voltage, and Intel stability margins for increased clock speed. How easy this is depends on the motherboard (overclocking friendly or not) and the CPU (some individual chips just happen to have more margin for overclocking that others of the exact same model; also CPUs that are specified at the top of the range for that series don't have as much room to overclock.) A Pentium 4 1.6 GHz 'Northwood' could be expected to overclock by 50%. A Pentium 2.8 GHz with a 800 MHz FSB could be expected to do 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Your Pentium 3.2 800 MHz FSB can also be expected to top out with an overclock to 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Any higher will require heroic cooling methods that are likely not worth the cost of the incremental improvement. Some Intel CPUs are outstanding overclockers. All the lower speed Core 2 Duo CPUs easily overclock by 50%; I use an E4300 (1.8 GHz stock) at 2.7 GHz with the CPU core voltage REDUCED by 8% for cooler operation. For this CPU 3.2 GHz is possible with GOOD air cooling or water cooling. Much more than that isn't worth the cost because the price of faster Core 2 Duo and Quad chips has dropped so much. Phil Weldon "Moo" wrote in message ... | Romano wrote: | "Moo" je napisao u poruci interesnoj | grupi: | cut | | U need stronger CPU.Missfortune is that pentium is last in line (and | strongest) for that AGP platform.So,u have only one choice.Squize that P4 | and o`clock it to 3600,3700.And u have no other option.Get Zalman ALCU 7000 | and overclock it. | | | | I have a Zalman, erm, can't remember what type it is, it looks like this | one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-015-ZA | really not sure how I would go about overclocking the processor, can you | give me some pointers? | | -- | | My blog - http://degeneratemoo.livejournal.com |
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'RF' wrote, in part:
| Erm, the best solution is NOT to have an open case, as that will reduce | airflow in certain areas. Cases provide a "wind tunnel" effect by intaking | fresh air and exhausting it out the rear. Taking the side off will impede | or negate that airflow, and you'll end up with pockets of stagnant air. _____ Pretty good advice. Both the explanation of case airflow and the limited benefits to be gained since the CPU is already near the top end for that Pentium 4 series. Phil Weldon "RF" wrote in message ... | | | "Romano" wrote in message | ... | That Zalman will be great.Ofc,there is other factors,like temp in | case,best solution is to have open case.U need to go in bios and increase | FSB frequency,by lets say starting by 10.Now run "burn cpu" test for 10-15 | min,if everything is ok,proceed to higher FSB and so on until u found most | stable settings.Also,if u have FSB/MEM ratio cut it to 1:2 because maybe | ur memory can't handle increased FSB (i'm talking about ddr400) | | Erm, the best solution is NOT to have an open case, as that will reduce | airflow in certain areas. Cases provide a "wind tunnel" effect by intaking | fresh air and exhausting it out the rear. Taking the side off will impede | or negate that airflow, and you'll end up with pockets of stagnant air. | | If you think you are not getting good airflow inside the case, open it and | have an external fan (house fan) blow into it. If the temps drop, the case | has bad airflow. But, never run the case open without a fan blowing onto | it. | | I'm not sure overclocking the P4 in this case will really give that much | benefit, since he won't be able to overclock it by that much, and since he | has no experience overclocking. Since he can't afford a new system at the | moment, it might be wiser to be careful with this one. | | RF. | | |
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'Moo' wrote:
| I was reading this guide http://www.geocities.com/antireligionclub3/ | | it says not to increase my P4 voltage (prescott) over 1.55 as there is | no benefit from putting it higher due to the micron technology (0.09 as | opposed to 0.13 on the Northwood), not sure what all that means aside | from it equates to a .2 increase in voltage from what I currently run | (by default), which isn't very much. | | I may give it a go, I may not, those instructions seem pretty straight | forward...... | | Oh yeah, I'm using generic PC3200 ram too (just for info), that guide | makes a point of getting the ram right as well as the CPU. _____ The webpage you cite has little information, and what it does have is pretty old. Your DDR rating is not much of a problem because for most motherboards for your CPU you can change the ratio of the RAM speed to the FSB speed. There are plenty of better overclocking websites. Really you should post your questions in alt.comp.hardware.overclocking . It beats any website for quality of information and time of existence. You can also get recommendations for better overclocking websites. Also, keep in mind that the highest possible CPU speed you can reasonably expect (say, 3.5 GHz with your CPU) will make very little difference in the way most games play (less than a 5% improvement.) If you enjoy the technical challenge, by all means try a mild overclock to 3.4 to 3.6 GHz. If you do everything by very small increments ( 20 MHz CPU speed increments, then only try a voltage increment when you hit a wall at the current voltage level, keep each voltage increment to ~ 0.02 volts, keep the voltage lid on at 110%.) Keep good WRITTEN records of the changes you make. Once you find a speed and voltage that work, repeat the steps. When you hit a wall and should not raise the voltage more, then drop back to the last usable settings. Then use something like Orthos small FFTs to check for long term stability (24 hours or so.) Drop back if necessary to get a stable Orthos FFTs 24 hour run. At that point, the only thing left to try is better cooling (which may merely be the onset of Winter or replacing the thermal past to the extreme of liquid Nitrogen boil-off!) Phil Weldon "Moo" wrote in message ... | Phil Weldon wrote: | 'Moo' wrote: | | I have a Zalman, erm, can't remember what type it is, it looks like this | | one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-015-ZA | | really not sure how I would go about overclocking the processor, can you | | give me some pointers? | _____ | | Try the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.overclocking . | | On the news server that I use retention for alt.comp.hardware.overclocking | goes back to mid 2003. Contributors have been overclocking since the | Pentium 90 and Apple //e (well, for the Apple //e you just swapped the 1 MHz | ! CPU for a hybrid IC that contained an 8 MHz CPU and a high speed cache.) | | Basically any Intel CPU is protected against damage by overheating, but if | you must raise the CPU core voltage, be careful to keep the voltage below | 110% as too high a CPU core voltage will instantly destroy the CPU. The | only way to overclock Intel CPUs since the Pentium II 300 is to raise the | FrontSide Bus speed (unless you have an Extreme Edition Core 2 Duo or Quad.) | Raising the CPU core voltage may be necessary. What you do to overclock is | to swap temperature, voltage, and Intel stability margins for increased | clock speed. How easy this is depends on the motherboard (overclocking | friendly or not) and the CPU (some individual chips just happen to have more | margin for overclocking that others of the exact same model; also CPUs that | are specified at the top of the range for that series don't have as much | room to overclock.) A Pentium 4 1.6 GHz 'Northwood' could be expected to | overclock by 50%. A Pentium 2.8 GHz with a 800 MHz FSB could be expected to | do 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Your Pentium 3.2 800 MHz FSB can also be expected to | top out with an overclock to 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Any higher will require | heroic cooling methods that are likely not worth the cost of the incremental | improvement. | | Some Intel CPUs are outstanding overclockers. All the lower speed Core 2 | Duo CPUs easily overclock by 50%; I use an E4300 (1.8 GHz stock) at 2.7 GHz | with the CPU core voltage REDUCED by 8% for cooler operation. For this CPU | 3.2 GHz is possible with GOOD air cooling or water cooling. Much more than | that isn't worth the cost because the price of faster Core 2 Duo and Quad | chips has dropped so much. | | Phil Weldon | | | | I was reading this guide http://www.geocities.com/antireligionclub3/ | | it says not to increase my P4 voltage (prescott) over 1.55 as there is | no benefit from putting it higher due to the micron technology (0.09 as | opposed to 0.13 on the Northwood), not sure what all that means aside | from it equates to a .2 increase in voltage from what I currently run | (by default), which isn't very much. | | I may give it a go, I may not, those instructions seem pretty straight | forward...... | | Oh yeah, I'm using generic PC3200 ram too (just for info), that guide | makes a point of getting the ram right as well as the CPU. | | -- | | My blog - http://degeneratemoo.livejournal.com |
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"Romano" wrote in message ... That Zalman will be great.Ofc,there is other factors,like temp in case,best solution is to have open case.U need to go in bios and increase FSB frequency,by lets say starting by 10.Now run "burn cpu" test for 10-15 min,if everything is ok,proceed to higher FSB and so on until u found most stable settings.Also,if u have FSB/MEM ratio cut it to 1:2 because maybe ur memory can't handle increased FSB (i'm talking about ddr400) Erm, the best solution is NOT to have an open case, as that will reduce airflow in certain areas. Cases provide a "wind tunnel" effect by intaking fresh air and exhausting it out the rear. Taking the side off will impede or negate that airflow, and you'll end up with pockets of stagnant air. If you think you are not getting good airflow inside the case, open it and have an external fan (house fan) blow into it. If the temps drop, the case has bad airflow. But, never run the case open without a fan blowing onto it. I'm not sure overclocking the P4 in this case will really give that much benefit, since he won't be able to overclock it by that much, and since he has no experience overclocking. Since he can't afford a new system at the moment, it might be wiser to be careful with this one. RF. |
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Phil Weldon wrote:
'Moo' wrote: | I have a Zalman, erm, can't remember what type it is, it looks like this | one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-015-ZA | really not sure how I would go about overclocking the processor, can you | give me some pointers? _____ Try the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.overclocking . On the news server that I use retention for alt.comp.hardware.overclocking goes back to mid 2003. Contributors have been overclocking since the Pentium 90 and Apple //e (well, for the Apple //e you just swapped the 1 MHz ! CPU for a hybrid IC that contained an 8 MHz CPU and a high speed cache.) Basically any Intel CPU is protected against damage by overheating, but if you must raise the CPU core voltage, be careful to keep the voltage below 110% as too high a CPU core voltage will instantly destroy the CPU. The only way to overclock Intel CPUs since the Pentium II 300 is to raise the FrontSide Bus speed (unless you have an Extreme Edition Core 2 Duo or Quad.) Raising the CPU core voltage may be necessary. What you do to overclock is to swap temperature, voltage, and Intel stability margins for increased clock speed. How easy this is depends on the motherboard (overclocking friendly or not) and the CPU (some individual chips just happen to have more margin for overclocking that others of the exact same model; also CPUs that are specified at the top of the range for that series don't have as much room to overclock.) A Pentium 4 1.6 GHz 'Northwood' could be expected to overclock by 50%. A Pentium 2.8 GHz with a 800 MHz FSB could be expected to do 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Your Pentium 3.2 800 MHz FSB can also be expected to top out with an overclock to 3.2 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Any higher will require heroic cooling methods that are likely not worth the cost of the incremental improvement. Some Intel CPUs are outstanding overclockers. All the lower speed Core 2 Duo CPUs easily overclock by 50%; I use an E4300 (1.8 GHz stock) at 2.7 GHz with the CPU core voltage REDUCED by 8% for cooler operation. For this CPU 3.2 GHz is possible with GOOD air cooling or water cooling. Much more than that isn't worth the cost because the price of faster Core 2 Duo and Quad chips has dropped so much. Phil Weldon I was reading this guide http://www.geocities.com/antireligionclub3/ it says not to increase my P4 voltage (prescott) over 1.55 as there is no benefit from putting it higher due to the micron technology (0.09 as opposed to 0.13 on the Northwood), not sure what all that means aside from it equates to a .2 increase in voltage from what I currently run (by default), which isn't very much. I may give it a go, I may not, those instructions seem pretty straight forward...... Oh yeah, I'm using generic PC3200 ram too (just for info), that guide makes a point of getting the ram right as well as the CPU. -- My blog - http://degeneratemoo.livejournal.com |
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