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WinXP always re-detecting video card (9800PRo)
Hi all,
just wondering if anyone else has run into this issue. I'm hoping to avoid a WinXP re-installation. Basically I think I was at fault, I tried to save some time and it has come back and bitten me. Basically I had an old ASUS AV7266-E m/b with a AthlonXP 1700 a 1Gb of ram. I gave this to a friend who had a AV7266 with a Athlin 1500 and 256Mb of ram. He had WinXP installed. He also had a Gigabyte 9800Pro (128Mb version). Seeing the two m/b were almost identical, the E has the Promise Raid and onboard sound, apart from that I think they are the same, so I felt that WinXP shouldn't have any problems. So, I replaced the motherboard and put the same cards in the same PCI slots, and booted the PC. On the first boot it seemed fine. WinXP did detect the promise controller and the h/w detect did it's bit and then requested the PC to be rebooted to activate the new hardware. We Reboot the system. WinXP restarts. After much thrashing about WinXP once again seemed to redetect the Promise controller, and requested that the system be rebooted again. This went on for 5 times, and eventually it decided it had made us reboot enough To be honest I'm not sure why it thought it had to reboot so many times. From past experiece one or two reboots after it detects new hardware is the norm for me. Anyway at this point everything seems fine UNTIL I checked his video drivers. He was running Catalyst 3.1, a far cry from the current 4.7. This is where I should have left it, but no, I had to install the 4.7 cats. First mistake was not uninstalling the old Cats, I just installed 4.7 over the top. I've done this on my PC and never had an issue. What happened was that WindowsXP would not load, it would reboot during the boot process. So I went into SAFE mode and unistalled all ATI driver components and rebooted. One it booted the hw detect detected the video card and tried to install the drivers. At this point I cancelled that and then manually installed the 4.7 Cats. This appeared to work, however upon a reboot (and now every reboot) it says it can't load the control panel because there is no ATI driver present. The auto detect h/w then kicks in again and then detects the 9800Pro. It's as if it can detect it but the settings aren't being saved, so it has to redetect each time at startup. I have used the Catalyst Destroyer tool to remove all traces and then re-installed the Cat 4.7s again and the same thing keeps happening. I feel a WinXP re-install is probably going to be the only answer, but if anyone out there has had this problem and has a cure (and don't say BUY A NVIDIA!! ) please speak up and share it. tia Craig --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 9/07/2004 |
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It's always better to have a fresh install of Windows XP, all updated device
drivers and Windows update. If you replace any old devices and uninstall drivers, some files are still there, which will sometimes give you conflicts with adding new devices and drivers. "Craig Matchan" wrote in message om.au... Hi all, just wondering if anyone else has run into this issue. I'm hoping to avoid a WinXP re-installation. Basically I think I was at fault, I tried to save some time and it has come back and bitten me. Basically I had an old ASUS AV7266-E m/b with a AthlonXP 1700 a 1Gb of ram. I gave this to a friend who had a AV7266 with a Athlin 1500 and 256Mb of ram. He had WinXP installed. He also had a Gigabyte 9800Pro (128Mb version). Seeing the two m/b were almost identical, the E has the Promise Raid and onboard sound, apart from that I think they are the same, so I felt that WinXP shouldn't have any problems. So, I replaced the motherboard and put the same cards in the same PCI slots, and booted the PC. On the first boot it seemed fine. WinXP did detect the promise controller and the h/w detect did it's bit and then requested the PC to be rebooted to activate the new hardware. We Reboot the system. WinXP restarts. After much thrashing about WinXP once again seemed to redetect the Promise controller, and requested that the system be rebooted again. This went on for 5 times, and eventually it decided it had made us reboot enough To be honest I'm not sure why it thought it had to reboot so many times. From past experiece one or two reboots after it detects new hardware is the norm for me. Anyway at this point everything seems fine UNTIL I checked his video drivers. He was running Catalyst 3.1, a far cry from the current 4.7. This is where I should have left it, but no, I had to install the 4.7 cats. First mistake was not uninstalling the old Cats, I just installed 4.7 over the top. I've done this on my PC and never had an issue. What happened was that WindowsXP would not load, it would reboot during the boot process. So I went into SAFE mode and unistalled all ATI driver components and rebooted. One it booted the hw detect detected the video card and tried to install the drivers. At this point I cancelled that and then manually installed the 4.7 Cats. This appeared to work, however upon a reboot (and now every reboot) it says it can't load the control panel because there is no ATI driver present. The auto detect h/w then kicks in again and then detects the 9800Pro. It's as if it can detect it but the settings aren't being saved, so it has to redetect each time at startup. I have used the Catalyst Destroyer tool to remove all traces and then re-installed the Cat 4.7s again and the same thing keeps happening. I feel a WinXP re-install is probably going to be the only answer, but if anyone out there has had this problem and has a cure (and don't say BUY A NVIDIA!! ) please speak up and share it. tia Craig --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 9/07/2004 |
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"Tony DiMarzio" wrote in message
... With the amount of time you've already spent in trying to take a shortcut, you could have already done a clean WinXP install and been loving the freshness. I must admit, I probably would have *tried* the OS transplantation first.. just because I'm lazy in the summer months, but as soon as I saw obscure issues pop up (like the one's you've seen) I would have done a whole OS re-install. There's just too much going on in that windows registry to fix it manually. It's inevitable. Reinstall WinXP cleanly and you'll be happy you did. Tony, as usual, is correct. The beauty of an OS re-install is the opportunity to start over with the lastest drivers to all your devices, and just the general "fresh start" it brings. In this case too, a format of the hard drive and re-install of Windows looks like it will end a real nightmare. :-) |
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"NightSky 421" wrote in message
... "Tony DiMarzio" wrote in message ... With the amount of time you've already spent in trying to take a shortcut, you could have already done a clean WinXP install and been loving the freshness. I must admit, I probably would have *tried* the OS transplantation first.. just because I'm lazy in the summer months, but as soon as I saw obscure issues pop up (like the one's you've seen) I would have done a whole OS re-install. There's just too much going on in that windows registry to fix it manually. It's inevitable. Reinstall WinXP cleanly and you'll be happy you did. Tony, as usual, is correct. The beauty of an OS re-install is the opportunity to start over with the lastest drivers to all your devices, and just the general "fresh start" it brings. In this case too, a format of the hard drive and re-install of Windows looks like it will end a real nightmare. :-) Why thank you NightSky 421... you are also, as usual, correct But he doesn't necessarily have to format the hard-drive. As long as the following directories and their subdirectories are completely removed, for all intents and purposes windows is go bye bye. \windows\*.* \documents and settings\*.* \program files\*.* \recycled\*.* I do it this way because I've got gigs and gigs of stuff on the same drive that windows is on that I can't lose/don't want to lose. Formatting is not an option for me unless I had a place to temporarily store 150+gb. So I boot into DOS. Load smartdrive. "attrib -s -h -r" on c:\*.* and all of the above directors and then "deltree" them all. |
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"Tony DiMarzio" wrote in message
... Why thank you NightSky 421... you are also, as usual, correct Heh, I guess we have the Mutual Admiration Society at work here. :-) But he doesn't necessarily have to format the hard-drive. As long as the following directories and their subdirectories are completely removed, for all intents and purposes windows is go bye bye. \windows\*.* \documents and settings\*.* \program files\*.* \recycled\*.* I do it this way because I've got gigs and gigs of stuff on the same drive that windows is on that I can't lose/don't want to lose. Formatting is not an option for me unless I had a place to temporarily store 150+gb. So I boot into DOS. Load smartdrive. "attrib -s -h -r" on c:\*.* and all of the above directors and then "deltree" them all. This could be a good thing for some users to know. |
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I've had good luck with the ATI unistaller, and remember to delete the ati
folder in C:\ before restarting. A fresh install is good once in a while though, although I use a ghost image to save time and work. Mike "Tony DiMarzio" wrote in message ... With the amount of time you've already spent in trying to take a shortcut, you could have already done a clean WinXP install and been loving the freshness. I must admit, I probably would have *tried* the OS transplantation first.. just because I'm lazy in the summer months, but as soon as I saw obscure issues pop up (like the one's you've seen) I would have done a whole OS re-install. There's just too much going on in that windows registry to fix it manually. It's inevitable. Reinstall WinXP cleanly and you'll be happy you did. -- Tony DiMarzio "Craig Matchan" wrote in message om.au... Hi all, just wondering if anyone else has run into this issue. I'm hoping to avoid a WinXP re-installation. Basically I think I was at fault, I tried to save some time and it has come back and bitten me. Basically I had an old ASUS AV7266-E m/b with a AthlonXP 1700 a 1Gb of ram. I gave this to a friend who had a AV7266 with a Athlin 1500 and 256Mb of ram. He had WinXP installed. He also had a Gigabyte 9800Pro (128Mb version). Seeing the two m/b were almost identical, the E has the Promise Raid and onboard sound, apart from that I think they are the same, so I felt that WinXP shouldn't have any problems. So, I replaced the motherboard and put the same cards in the same PCI slots, and booted the PC. On the first boot it seemed fine. WinXP did detect the promise controller and the h/w detect did it's bit and then requested the PC to be rebooted to activate the new hardware. We Reboot the system. WinXP restarts. After much thrashing about WinXP once again seemed to redetect the Promise controller, and requested that the system be rebooted again. This went on for 5 times, and eventually it decided it had made us reboot enough To be honest I'm not sure why it thought it had to reboot so many times. From past experiece one or two reboots after it detects new hardware is the norm for me. Anyway at this point everything seems fine UNTIL I checked his video drivers. He was running Catalyst 3.1, a far cry from the current 4.7. This is where I should have left it, but no, I had to install the 4.7 cats. First mistake was not uninstalling the old Cats, I just installed 4.7 over the top. I've done this on my PC and never had an issue. What happened was that WindowsXP would not load, it would reboot during the boot process. So I went into SAFE mode and unistalled all ATI driver components and rebooted. One it booted the hw detect detected the video card and tried to install the drivers. At this point I cancelled that and then manually installed the 4.7 Cats. This appeared to work, however upon a reboot (and now every reboot) it says it can't load the control panel because there is no ATI driver present. The auto detect h/w then kicks in again and then detects the 9800Pro. It's as if it can detect it but the settings aren't being saved, so it has to redetect each time at startup. I have used the Catalyst Destroyer tool to remove all traces and then re-installed the Cat 4.7s again and the same thing keeps happening. I feel a WinXP re-install is probably going to be the only answer, but if anyone out there has had this problem and has a cure (and don't say BUY A NVIDIA!! ) please speak up and share it. tia Craig --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 9/07/2004 |
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My guess is that the motheboards were not really all that much alike.
Whenever I change a motherboard I usually do a reinstall of the OS. A shortcut is to do a repair install of XP. Essentially a repair install wipes the registry of all of the hardware information, redetects all hardware, and then rewrites the hardware portion of the registry. The nice thing about this is that the software portion of the registry is left intact and when the repair is completed everything looks the same. Just boot your PC with the XP CD and start an install of the OS. Do not take the repair route that is offered right away. Take the install route. At one point it will detect that you already have XP installed and will offer to repair it. Say yes and proceed. JK "Ted F" wrote in message news It's always better to have a fresh install of Windows XP, all updated device drivers and Windows update. If you replace any old devices and uninstall drivers, some files are still there, which will sometimes give you conflicts with adding new devices and drivers. "Craig Matchan" wrote in message om.au... Hi all, just wondering if anyone else has run into this issue. I'm hoping to avoid a WinXP re-installation. Basically I think I was at fault, I tried to save some time and it has come back and bitten me. Basically I had an old ASUS AV7266-E m/b with a AthlonXP 1700 a 1Gb of ram. I gave this to a friend who had a AV7266 with a Athlin 1500 and 256Mb of ram. He had WinXP installed. He also had a Gigabyte 9800Pro (128Mb version). Seeing the two m/b were almost identical, the E has the Promise Raid and onboard sound, apart from that I think they are the same, so I felt that WinXP shouldn't have any problems. So, I replaced the motherboard and put the same cards in the same PCI slots, and booted the PC. On the first boot it seemed fine. WinXP did detect the promise controller and the h/w detect did it's bit and then requested the PC to be rebooted to activate the new hardware. We Reboot the system. WinXP restarts. After much thrashing about WinXP once again seemed to redetect the Promise controller, and requested that the system be rebooted again. This went on for 5 times, and eventually it decided it had made us reboot enough To be honest I'm not sure why it thought it had to reboot so many times. From past experiece one or two reboots after it detects new hardware is the norm for me. Anyway at this point everything seems fine UNTIL I checked his video drivers. He was running Catalyst 3.1, a far cry from the current 4.7. This is where I should have left it, but no, I had to install the 4.7 cats. First mistake was not uninstalling the old Cats, I just installed 4.7 over the top. I've done this on my PC and never had an issue. What happened was that WindowsXP would not load, it would reboot during the boot process. So I went into SAFE mode and unistalled all ATI driver components and rebooted. One it booted the hw detect detected the video card and tried to install the drivers. At this point I cancelled that and then manually installed the 4.7 Cats. This appeared to work, however upon a reboot (and now every reboot) it says it can't load the control panel because there is no ATI driver present. The auto detect h/w then kicks in again and then detects the 9800Pro. It's as if it can detect it but the settings aren't being saved, so it has to redetect each time at startup. I have used the Catalyst Destroyer tool to remove all traces and then re-installed the Cat 4.7s again and the same thing keeps happening. I feel a WinXP re-install is probably going to be the only answer, but i f anyone out there has had this problem and has a cure (and don't say BUY A NVIDIA!! ) please speak up and share it. tia Craig --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 9/07/2004 |
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Hi everyone,
thanks for all the friendly advice..and not one "Get a Nvidia" reply. I am leaning towards a XP re-install at this point, even more so since now I've found out that his PC is infected with numerous virus's and trojans. He doesn't run a virus scanner or firewall because "he never gets a virus", or so he thinks. I think this might have convinced him otherwise. I still think (in my own stuborn way ) that the transplant should have worked as both motherboards use the VIA KT266A chipset, but as other pointed out once the registry is "damaged" in some way odd things start to happen. Still I have never seen this sort of behavior before, but you live and learn. Being the stuborn sod I am I will probably try a WinXP re-install as sugested and see if this works. If thats a no go and I have the time and patience I might even try installing XP SP2 RC2 and see if that fixes it up. Failing all of that, a good ol re-format and re-install should (I won't say will ...that's tempting fate!) do the trick. thanks everyone for the thoughts on the matter. regards Craig --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 9/07/2004 |
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