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a7n8x-e deluxe POST questions
I've got some issues with an a7n8x-e deluxe that I've bought as used in
a local computer store. Please consider that I've read some of the threads in the group about the matter but I've still some questions. I tested the board with nothing mounted on it and placing it on a cardboard as said in some previous post, to ensure that no case shortcuts will occour. My PSU is a Takey TK-400W2f that worked fine with another system (a7v333 + athlon XP 2000 fsb266 + 2x512 geil pc2700 DDR). When I power on the a7n8x-e the green led on the m/b lights fine and I get the regular post message: no cpu installed. Then I mounted the cpu, an used athlon XP 2400 + fsb 266 that I've bought on ebay (sigh) as 'to be tested'. When I power the m/b the cpu fan spins but the m/b do not post. So I've used another cpu, an athlon XP 2000+ that I know was functional, but nothing at all, no voice post message. When I remove the processor the post message come up. Consider that no keyboard or mouse or case connectors are plugged to the m/b, I start the system by shorting the power-on pins on the system panel connector with a screwdriver. Should I test the motherbord plugging mouse and keyboard and mounting memories? Why I can't get a post message when a processor is mounted on the m/b? Should a faulty processor always be signaled by a post voice message or in some case it is not possible? I've also cleared the CMOS as recommended in some previous message. When I test the used athlon XP 2400 bought on ebay in my working a7v333 I get the post voice message indicating the CPU failure so probably this particular CPU is broken. What scare me now is that I do not know if the m/b a7n8x is working. I want to buy a new athlon XP 3000 fsb 333 to use with it, but I'm scared that the a7n8x could damage the brand new CPU. I could not test it on the a7v333 because it does not support it and I need this other system for work, so I fear testing the working cpu again on the a7n8x. Could a faulty m/b burn the new cpu or I can test the a7n8x with it without fearing nothing related to a faulty motherboard? It has a six months warranty so I can return it back if I can prove it is damaged. Thank you for your patience; forgive me for my 'spaghetti english'. Best regards n |
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wrote: I've got some issues with an a7n8x-e deluxe that I've bought as used in a local computer store. Please consider that I've read some of the threads in the group about the matter but I've still some questions. I tested the board with nothing mounted on it and placing it on a cardboard as said in some previous post, to ensure that no case shortcuts will occour. My PSU is a Takey TK-400W2f that worked fine with another system (a7v333 + athlon XP 2000 fsb266 + 2x512 geil pc2700 DDR). When I power on the a7n8x-e the green led on the m/b lights fine and I get the regular post message: no cpu installed. Then I mounted the cpu, an used athlon XP 2400 + fsb 266 that I've bought on ebay (sigh) as 'to be tested'. When I power the m/b the cpu fan spins but the m/b do not post. So I've used another cpu, an athlon XP 2000+ that I know was functional, but nothing at all, no voice post message. When I remove the processor the post message come up. Consider that no keyboard or mouse or case connectors are plugged to the m/b, I start the system by shorting the power-on pins on the system panel connector with a screwdriver. Should I test the motherbord plugging mouse and keyboard and mounting memories? Why I can't get a post message when a processor is mounted on the m/b? Should a faulty processor always be signaled by a post voice message or in some case it is not possible? I've also cleared the CMOS as recommended in some previous message. When I test the used athlon XP 2400 bought on ebay in my working a7v333 I get the post voice message indicating the CPU failure so probably this particular CPU is broken. What scare me now is that I do not know if the m/b a7n8x is working. I want to buy a new athlon XP 3000 fsb 333 to use with it, but I'm scared that the a7n8x could damage the brand new CPU. I could not test it on the a7v333 because it does not support it and I need this other system for work, so I fear testing the working cpu again on the a7n8x. Could a faulty m/b burn the new cpu or I can test the a7n8x with it without fearing nothing related to a faulty motherboard? It has a six months warranty so I can return it back if I can prove it is damaged. Thank you for your patience; forgive me for my 'spaghetti english'. Best regards n Your Takey power supply is made by Leadman. It could be there is not enough current on +5V available. +5V at 20A-25A is a good starting point. I cannot find any specs on the supply. The Winbond speech chip has 6 hardware event triggers and 127 software event triggers. The SLOTOCC# pin is grounded when a CPU is inserted in the socket. With the CPU removed, that is why you get the "No CPU" message. When the CPU is inserted, one would hope the BIOS code starts to run. Looking at the program code for the Speech chip again, it looks like CPU fail is hooked to a hardware signal, but exactly what that might be, is anyone's guess. (In the program code, vector 66 likely corresponds to hardware signal number 3. Winbond datasheets are always a mess, and the vector assignments shown in the datasheet don't exactly correspond to the program code. The datasheet shows vector numbers 1-5 while the program code starts at 64 for those signals.) The two program files I've been able to find, are shown in this post. http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.co...e=source&hl=en When you plug in a CPU and the Voice POST is quiet, it means the hardware signal #3 did not trigger. I thought the Winbond chip was using timers to detect some failure modes, while for the vast majority of error messages (vectors 128 and higher), the speech samples are triggered by the processor writing the vector number to the Winbond chip. I'm having trouble understanding how the first few events work, because the Winbond datasheet does not address the programming language or register map used by the CPU inside the Winbond chip. (The flash chip with the Voice samples in it, contains not only voice samples, but also the program code in the two sample files in my post above.) Regarding your test procedure, I think plugging mouse, keyboard, memory, video card is a good thing to do. I would get a voltmeter and measure the voltages from the PSU while the computer is powered and the fans are spinning. You might notice a voltage that is out of spec. If you don't have a voltmeter, swap another power supply (one that has at least 20 amps available on +5V). The power supply specs are normally printed on a label on the side of the supply. The A7N8X-E Deluxe draws most of its power from +5V, so a supply that is strong on that rail will help. I would find a processor that works in your A7V333, then use that known good processor, to test the A7N8X-E. When it has adequate power, it might start. Motherboards are very complicated circuits, and it is miraculous that so few complicated fault modes manifest themselves for the vast majority of users. HTH, Paul |
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Hi Paul,
thank you for your very comprehensive reply. You have enlightened me about how this particular hardware works and I'll read carefully what you wrote in your previous posts. I'll get a voltmeter and try the measures you suggest. The Takey specs written on the side of the PSU box a +3.3V 14A +5V 30A +12V 16A -5V 0.3A -12V 0.5A +5Vsb 2A So it should be adequate, but ... I'll test it with the voltmeter. And probably I'll get a new powerfull and reliable PSU taking in mind further upgrades of the system. I've ordered a brand new athlon XP 3000+, it will be here in a few days. From your reply I do not have understood if I should trust the motherboard do not burns my new cpu if it (the m/b) is broken? Or you suggest that I'll find a cheap and old CPU like a Duron to make these tests? Thank you again, n. |
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In article . com, "n"
wrote: Hi Paul, thank you for your very comprehensive reply. You have enlightened me about how this particular hardware works and I'll read carefully what you wrote in your previous posts. I'll get a voltmeter and try the measures you suggest. The Takey specs written on the side of the PSU box a +3.3V 14A +5V 30A +12V 16A -5V 0.3A -12V 0.5A +5Vsb 2A So it should be adequate, but ... I'll test it with the voltmeter. And probably I'll get a new powerfull and reliable PSU taking in mind further upgrades of the system. I've ordered a brand new athlon XP 3000+, it will be here in a few days. From your reply I do not have understood if I should trust the motherboard do not burns my new cpu if it (the m/b) is broken? Or you suggest that I'll find a cheap and old CPU like a Duron to make these tests? Thank you again, n. OK. To review your test results, you do have one good processor that works in your A7V333. Use the good processor to test the A7N8X-E. Insert the good processor and see if it will run. Then, remove the processor from the A7N8X-E socket, and put the processor back in the A7V333 for another test. If the processor is still working, it means the A7N8X-E is not killing processors. If, after trying that good processor in the A7N8X-E, the processor will no longer work in the A7V333, then you know the A7N8X-E motherboard is a "chip killer", and no further testing of the A7N8X-E should be attempted. From an budget perspective, it is better to measure the Takey supply with a voltmeter, rather than blindly replace it. Test it while it is loaded with the A7N8X-E, good processor, stick of memory, keyboard, mouse, video card etc. If the voltages are within 5% of nominal 3.3V, 5V, 12V, then it could be the A7N8X-E motherboard is defective. If the power supply is showing any signs of instability or overload (burning smell, funny sounds from inside the supply, unstable voltages), replace it immediately. As long as some of the components remain alive, you should be able to narrow down what is wrong. HTH, Paul |
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