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Best Card for Handling Video Playback & Driving Large Display
Hi Kony,
Please forgive the delay in response...I live and have a business in the gulf coast region, so as you may imagine, my time is not always my own, thus the delay. Responses inline... "kony" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:42:19 -0600, "harkhof" wrote: There is no need whatsoever for AGP without dozen of MB or more worth of textures as when gaming. While AGP or PCI Express is a slight boost to everyday uses of the system and thus still desirable in a general way, what you have described does not rule out PCI any more than anyone else doing anything else would. DVI, quality-wise sometimes it's useful but the whole video-scaling and graininess issue, it wouldn't help at all. Yes, thanks to you and others in this group (and other sources), I understand that now. However, it would be silly for me to occupy one of the few PCI slots I have left when I have an AGP slot sitting there (also, I plan to use a slot for the HD tuner card). And indeed, I'm hardly one to take a technological step backward, especially knowing that I will wish to have the ability to try out new things. While your needs didn't require AGP or PCI Express, I didn't mean to suggest you should aim for PCI, only that that bus in itself is not a problem that would interfere with your goal. As far as DVI, there truly is a noticable difference (and I *have* tried this monitor out with several cards, DVI, VGA, the gamut), but that aside, I am using this monitor on two machines via a KVM for the mouse & keyboard and the VGA connection for one machine, the DVI for the machine in question. It does help with high bandwidth (hi res and refresh... depends on what monitor supports), but I'm beginnning to suspect your panel type has the most to do with the graininess seen in video. Is it a TN 6-bit panel? That alone will cause grains regardless of the video card, a theoretically "perfect" setup will still be grainy on such an LCD. No, it is a Dell 2405fpw, which avails itself of Samsung's LTM240M1-L01 8 bit S-PVA panel. Even though what you say regarding gaming vs. video and NTSC demands on a card seems accurate, I still need to install a card that will provide windowed TV, and the AIWs seem to be the best game in town for that (AFAIK). Most any card with a tuner on it will provide that, it need not be integrated into an AIW or other video card. I was under the impression that you already had a PCI ATI tuner card, which should suffice, no? I no longer have the ATI card. It was not a great performer on this machine. That being the case, the "lowest grade" DVI AIW is the 9800 pro, and for an extra $70, I might as well go with the newer generation. Also, I do tend to dabble in many things, and I have failed to mention a few other functions this card may perform as well (for which you may berate me if you wish...). I have been known to do photo editing (via Photoshop) and the occasional video editing & importing (although I haven't done that for awhile). The reality is that I often foray into new areas of technology and like to have the "headroom" to do whatever I wish with a card. IMO, you should buy whatever you decide on from a seller with good return policy. It can be well worth the ~$8 return shipping and a restocking cost to get whatever suits your tastes. Yes, I agree. And I have tried out several solutions, as I've posted. The latest of these was the ATI Wonder Elite mentioned above (and the software was up to ATI's usual sad standards, but even with other software, it didn't do too well). I'd like to thank you for your time and diligence in making your point. The truth is that I don't mind "hardware overkill", because it gives me options. I often make forays into territories that tax my hardware, some of them fleeting, some not, but having the hardware to accomodate such endeavors has always been nice. My status as of now is that I have re-installed the AIW 9000 Pro into this machine. I know you may have difficulty believing this, but their truly is a discernible difference in color depth and NTSC image (especially when compared to the X800XT). Also, strangely, with the 9000 in, the display blanks out. The only way I am able to avoid this is by installing a fan in the side of the case blowing right on the card (yes, the 9000's tiny onboard fan is running). Also, I have upgrade my cable service to include HD. The HD channels are very much in line with what I had hoped to acheive. Unfortunately, the HD line up here is limited to about 10 channels, but via the component inputs, the fullscreen picture quality is great, even from 2' away! Of course, the 2405 has no sound capabilities (without the Dell "soundbar"), but all I need do is fire up the AIW TV on one of the PCs connected to the monitor and I have sound. Also, the PIP features of this monitor means that I can watch the HD on any PC connected. I'm liking this monitor more everyday... My plan in the next few days is to make a decision concerning PCI HD Tuners, most likely the Fusion 5 Gold or the Fusion 3 and see what kind of QAM channels I can pick up (the cable company is understandably somewhat tight-lipped on this subject). This may, if the HD card is to cpu hungry, prompt a cpu upgrade. The point is that I will deal with the video card issue once I decide what other upgrades I may or may not do. After all, if I upgrade to PCI-E (that would depend on how fast a cpu my NEO2 Plat will support), buying a high end AGP card now would be a waste. As far as the image quality of NTSC broadcasts, I suppose I have to accept that full screen picture quality is just going to be poor. Happily, there are the other options I mentioned above. So, although this has been a lengthy path to the point, your objections to the high end cards has given me pause to better consider my future options. Perhaps not in a way you had anticipated, but constructive (for my purposes) nonetheless. Thanks. Will it ever end? End? No it never does. The question was rhetorical, but it's nice to know others suffer the same affliction . Thanks again, Hark |
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Best Card for Handling Video Playback & Driving Large Display
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:56:56 -0600, "Harkhof"
wrote: It does help with high bandwidth (hi res and refresh... depends on what monitor supports), but I'm beginnning to suspect your panel type has the most to do with the graininess seen in video. Is it a TN 6-bit panel? That alone will cause grains regardless of the video card, a theoretically "perfect" setup will still be grainy on such an LCD. No, it is a Dell 2405fpw, which avails itself of Samsung's LTM240M1-L01 8 bit S-PVA panel. It is a nice monitor, but I think it is the cause of your video noise, as Tom's Hardware also observed this, http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/...now/page9.html I'd like to thank you for your time and diligence in making your point. The truth is that I don't mind "hardware overkill", because it gives me options. I often make forays into territories that tax my hardware, some of them fleeting, some not, but having the hardware to accomodate such endeavors has always been nice. There's nothing wrong with hardware overkill, it was just that given the goal you expressed, it didn't seem of benefit towards that end. My status as of now is that I have re-installed the AIW 9000 Pro into this machine. I know you may have difficulty believing this, but their truly is a discernible difference in color depth and NTSC image (especially when compared to the X800XT). Also, strangely, with the 9000 in, the display blanks out. The only way I am able to avoid this is by installing a fan in the side of the case blowing right on the card (yes, the 9000's tiny onboard fan is running). If that's what you want to use, I"d think about an aftermarket heatsink, or at least taking off the present 'sink, examining the interface, lapping it down if warranted then applying a nice fresh coat of thermal compound- preferribly a synthetic base type not silicone based. It's quite possible to have differences in different cards but it's more of a random variablity issue, and isn't "supposed" to happen using DVI if the driver brightness/contrast/etc remain constant. Also, I have upgrade my cable service to include HD. The HD channels are very much in line with what I had hoped to acheive. Unfortunately, the HD line up here is limited to about 10 channels, but via the component inputs, the fullscreen picture quality is great, even from 2' away! Of course, the 2405 has no sound capabilities (without the Dell "soundbar"), but all I need do is fire up the AIW TV on one of the PCs connected to the monitor and I have sound. Also, the PIP features of this monitor means that I can watch the HD on any PC connected. I'm liking this monitor more everyday... You wouldn't want to hear sound out of it even if you could, all flatpanel sound is poor due to speaker size. So, although this has been a lengthy path to the point, your objections to the high end cards has given me pause to better consider my future options. Perhaps not in a way you had anticipated, but constructive (for my purposes) nonetheless. If you want a high-end card that's your call, I only objected within the context of the goal. |
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