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Grounding and lightning.
Skybuck Flying wrote:
Another interesting story, death included : " Neither talking on a land line phone nor taking a shower increases the chances of lightning directly hitting your house BUT, as yuandrew said, both of these activities do increase your chance of injury or death should a direct hit happen. In fact, 1 to 2 people a year are killed by lightning, in the U.S. while talking on a wired phone inside a building. The number injured is much higher. Wireless phones and cell phones are safe. " FWIW, I was talking on the phone once with a neighbor when lightening struck. We both heard the CLAP, but she received a significant shock. Funny thing, but for several days, her hearing was ultra sensative - she could hear really well. I checked the wiring for the phone line coming into their house, and discovered that when some plumbing work had been previously done, the ground wire for the phone system had been removed from the water pipe at the hose bibb. That was why she got shocked. |
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Grounding and lightning.
Bob F wrote:
Skybuck Flying wrote: Another interesting story, death included : " Neither talking on a land line phone nor taking a shower increases the chances of lightning directly hitting your house BUT, as yuandrew said, both of these activities do increase your chance of injury or death should a direct hit happen. In fact, 1 to 2 people a year are killed by lightning, in the U.S. while talking on a wired phone inside a building. The number injured is much higher. Wireless phones and cell phones are safe. " FWIW, I was talking on the phone once with a neighbor when lightening struck. We both heard the CLAP, but she received a significant shock. Funny thing, but for several days, her hearing was ultra sensative - she could hear really well. I checked the wiring for the phone line coming into their house, and discovered that when some plumbing work had been previously done, the ground wire for the phone system had been removed from the water pipe at the hose bibb. That was why she got shocked. I'd say, she was pretty lucky. It could have been a lot worse. Paul |
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Grounding and lightning.
Paul wrote:
Bob F wrote: Skybuck Flying wrote: Another interesting story, death included : " Neither talking on a land line phone nor taking a shower increases the chances of lightning directly hitting your house BUT, as yuandrew said, both of these activities do increase your chance of injury or death should a direct hit happen. In fact, 1 to 2 people a year are killed by lightning, in the U.S. while talking on a wired phone inside a building. The number injured is much higher. Wireless phones and cell phones are safe. " FWIW, I was talking on the phone once with a neighbor when lightening struck. We both heard the CLAP, but she received a significant shock. Funny thing, but for several days, her hearing was ultra sensative - she could hear really well. I checked the wiring for the phone line coming into their house, and discovered that when some plumbing work had been previously done, the ground wire for the phone system had been removed from the water pipe at the hose bibb. That was why she got shocked. I'd say, she was pretty lucky. It could have been a lot worse. Paul She was NOT happy about it. |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
On 5/27/2011 9:10 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
Since I am an electronics engineer Provide some certs, clown. I'd love to see who gave *you* a diploma. Kinda sorta explains the whole thing. I did start college as an EE back in 1968, but didn't finish the 1st quarter. "Uncle Sam" changed my plans... but I did have about a 3.2 GPA for what time I did have. "Unca Sam" (USAF) did teach me what I didn't know already, but I'd already decided that I'd be happier as a tech. It's quite funny how "engineers" get treated in hi-tech. Unless proven otherwise, management won't let them touch tools, test equipment, or even product. They have a qualified tech do that for them. I spent thousands of hours playing "voice-controlled scope-probe operator(VCSPO)" supporting engineers. One of my favorite memories was doing prototype tech on a severely complicated power supply for "Secure Voice Comm" for US Navy submarines back in 1983. Things weren't(as usual in proto) going well, so I'd spent about 30 hours of VCSPO with one particular engineer. Said engineer suddenly got this funny "glazed eye" look, stood up, and screamed (drumroll) "I designed THIS? It's a mind ****!!" (20 seconds of dead silence, then applause (mostly vulgar)) I'm not knocking ALL engineers, but I've seen far too many that think and act like SkyBuck. When they don't have a practical background to work from, they drag out all the "oo-wee-oo" crap to explain it away. -- "**** this is it, all the pieces do fit. We're like that crazy old man jumping out of the alleyway with a baseball bat, saying, "Remember me mother****er?" Jim “Dandy” Mangrum |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
Where did I write that...
If I did write that somewhere then it: 1. Either wasn't me. or 2. I ment software engineer ! =D or 3. I was just having fun with my hardware ! =D Bye, Skybuck =D "Nobody (Revisited)" wrote in message ... On 5/27/2011 9:10 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote: Since I am an electronics engineer Provide some certs, clown. I'd love to see who gave *you* a diploma. Kinda sorta explains the whole thing. I did start college as an EE back in 1968, but didn't finish the 1st quarter. "Uncle Sam" changed my plans... but I did have about a 3.2 GPA for what time I did have. "Unca Sam" (USAF) did teach me what I didn't know already, but I'd already decided that I'd be happier as a tech. It's quite funny how "engineers" get treated in hi-tech. Unless proven otherwise, management won't let them touch tools, test equipment, or even product. They have a qualified tech do that for them. I spent thousands of hours playing "voice-controlled scope-probe operator(VCSPO)" supporting engineers. One of my favorite memories was doing prototype tech on a severely complicated power supply for "Secure Voice Comm" for US Navy submarines back in 1983. Things weren't(as usual in proto) going well, so I'd spent about 30 hours of VCSPO with one particular engineer. Said engineer suddenly got this funny "glazed eye" look, stood up, and screamed (drumroll) "I designed THIS? It's a mind ****!!" (20 seconds of dead silence, then applause (mostly vulgar)) I'm not knocking ALL engineers, but I've seen far too many that think and act like SkyBuck. When they don't have a practical background to work from, they drag out all the "oo-wee-oo" crap to explain it away. -- "**** this is it, all the pieces do fit. We're like that crazy old man jumping out of the alleyway with a baseball bat, saying, "Remember me mother****er?" Jim “Dandy” Mangrum |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:39:58 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
wrote: Where did I write that... If I did write that somewhere then it: 1. Either wasn't me. or 2. I ment software engineer ! =D or 3. I was just having fun with my hardware ! =D Bye, Skybuck =D Hmmm "software engineer". I've been out of school for a long time, but I don't remember any such curriculum in my time. Help me to understand this.... is it one step above or one step below a "Sanitary engineer"? |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
On 05/31/2011 01:53 AM, Nobody (Revisited) wrote:
On 5/27/2011 9:10 PM, Skybuck Flying wrote: Since I am an electronics engineer Provide some certs, clown. I'd love to see who gave *you* a diploma. Kinda sorta explains the whole thing. I did start college as an EE back in 1968, but didn't finish the 1st quarter. "Uncle Sam" changed my plans... but I did have about a 3.2 GPA for what time I did have. "Unca Sam" (USAF) did teach me what I didn't know already, but I'd already decided that I'd be happier as a tech. It's quite funny how "engineers" get treated in hi-tech. Unless proven otherwise, management won't let them touch tools, test equipment, or even product. They have a qualified tech do that for them. I spent thousands of hours playing "voice-controlled scope-probe operator(VCSPO)" supporting engineers. That varies from company to company, industry to industry, and place to place. I was impressed when I interviewed at Magnavox Nav Systems (I think that was the name...) that every engineer had his own personal technician. But that was in LA. The companies that I've worked at (a couple of teeny ones, FLIR Systems, and Intel) certainly expected you to hold your own scope probe, if not your own soldering iron. This is not unique where I live and work (the Portland, Oregon area) -- it exactly matches the impression I get from my engineering friends. Having sufficient test equipment that you don't have to steal from your buddies is considered a nice luxury, having enough technicians running around that the engineers never got to touch product would be just plain weird. Perhaps you were working for a union shop? One of my favorite memories was doing prototype tech on a severely complicated power supply for "Secure Voice Comm" for US Navy submarines back in 1983. Things weren't(as usual in proto) going well, so I'd spent about 30 hours of VCSPO with one particular engineer. Said engineer suddenly got this funny "glazed eye" look, stood up, and screamed (drumroll) "I designed THIS? It's a mind ****!!" (20 seconds of dead silence, then applause (mostly vulgar)) Until you've been given a set of requirements that basically boil down to "put ten pounds of s**t in a five pound bag, and get it done in less time than an average board turn", you're in no position to criticize a design engineer for doing something that's outwardly screwy. I'm not knocking ALL engineers, but I've seen far too many that think and act like SkyBuck. When they don't have a practical background to work from, they drag out all the "oo-wee-oo" crap to explain it away. Which may be why engineers are expected to hold their own damn scope probes in Portland, Oregon. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
"Nobody (Revisited)" wrote in message
... It's quite funny how "engineers" get treated in hi-tech. Unless proven otherwise, management won't let them touch tools, test equipment, or even product. I'm know this happens at some places, but not anywhere I'd want to work. Indeed, I've been specifically asked/told at interviews, "You can solder, right? -- All of our engineers are required to have workable (if not beautiful) soldering skills..." They have a qualified tech do that for them. I spent thousands of hours playing "voice-controlled scope-probe operator(VCSPO)" supporting engineers. I can't help but think that any company like that is quite inefficient... which usually means that (1) they're a government contractor or (2) they're in a very "exposed" position, likely to be killed by their competition. Both are not exactly the kind of places most really good engineers wants to spent their careers... Check out the pictures on the cover of Jim Williams' book, "Analog Circuit Design." Anywhere the engineers *don't* have benches that look a bit like that, I'd be worried! ---Joel |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
On 05/31/2011 09:29 AM, Joel Koltner wrote:
"Nobody (Revisited)" wrote in message ... It's quite funny how "engineers" get treated in hi-tech. Unless proven otherwise, management won't let them touch tools, test equipment, or even product. I'm know this happens at some places, but not anywhere I'd want to work. Indeed, I've been specifically asked/told at interviews, "You can solder, right? -- All of our engineers are required to have workable (if not beautiful) soldering skills..." I had an uncle who did EE at Boeing. During the interview process, he'd reach into a drawer and hand his victim a soldering iron, business end first, and say "here". Grabbing the 'ouch' end without hesitation meant that the candidate would soon be politely ushered out the door, never to work for him. They have a qualified tech do that for them. I spent thousands of hours playing "voice-controlled scope-probe operator(VCSPO)" supporting engineers. I can't help but think that any company like that is quite inefficient... which usually means that (1) they're a government contractor or (2) they're in a very "exposed" position, likely to be killed by their competition. Both are not exactly the kind of places most really good engineers wants to spent their careers... Check out the pictures on the cover of Jim Williams' book, "Analog Circuit Design." Anywhere the engineers *don't* have benches that look a bit like that, I'd be worried! ---Joel -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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SkyBuck ... "Since I am an electronics engineer" ??
On Tue, 31 May 2011 09:29:45 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote: "Nobody (Revisited)" wrote in message ... It's quite funny how "engineers" get treated in hi-tech. Unless proven otherwise, management won't let them touch tools, test equipment, or even product. I'm know this happens at some places, but not anywhere I'd want to work. The last 10 years I was in IBM, technicians were more rare than hen's teeth. There had been a steady downward path in that direction for the last 25 or so years. It started with, "any engineer worth his pay can do technician work", through "if I can hire one person, do I want an engineer or a technician" (see above), to "there isn't any more work for technicians - you're all laid off". Indeed, I've been specifically asked/told at interviews, "You can solder, right? -- All of our engineers are required to have workable (if not beautiful) soldering skills..." As long as they don't make me use that commie solder! I refuse, which gets me out of working on manufacturing problems and customer equipment. ;-) They have a qualified tech do that for them. I spent thousands of hours playing "voice-controlled scope-probe operator(VCSPO)" supporting engineers. I can't help but think that any company like that is quite inefficient... which usually means that (1) they're a government contractor or (2) they're in a very "exposed" position, likely to be killed by their competition. Both are not exactly the kind of places most really good engineers wants to spent their careers... Nope. I wouldn't work there. Check out the pictures on the cover of Jim Williams' book, "Analog Circuit Design." Anywhere the engineers *don't* have benches that look a bit like that, I'd be worried! I don't have a "bench". There are benches where I camp out, but it isn't in any way assigned to me and I'm usually working between someone else's junk. I'm really the only one who does any design anymore, too. The firmware types work in their cubes/office. |
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