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Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhilethe Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps



 
 
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Old July 30th 09, 07:48 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhilethe Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps



http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=220530

Carmack: Rage runs faster on Xbox 360
Thursday 30-Jul-2009 5:33 PM PS3 version at 30fps, PC and 360 60fps,
id reveals
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The Xbox 360 and PC versions of id's Rage sport higher framerates than
the PlayStation 3 version, the latest issue of Edge magazine reveals.

In a ten-page reveal in its latest issue, Edge writes that the Xbox
360 version of Rage - which uses id's new Tech 5 engine - matches the
60fps framerate of the PC version, while PS3 runs at just "20-30fps".

It's not mentioned whether the PS3 framerate will be addressed by the
game's eventual release.

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance
out of it," John Carmack told Edge. "The rasteriser is just a little
bit slower - no two ways about that.

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the
same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what
a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3," he
said.

The PS3 edition was thought to be the most technically capable of the
console pair, thanks to id being able to squeeze the gigantic shooter
onto a single-player Blu-ray disc, compared to Xbox 360's four DVDs.

The developer also confirmed that a Mac version of Rage is still in
development.

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First of all, before anyone says anything, the blame for this squarely
rests on Sony's decision to accept a rather weak GPU from Nvidia. The
RSX GPU in PS3 is basicly a stripped down, downgraded version of the
NV47 / G70 / GeForce 7800 GTX released in mid 2005 for PCs. The
RSX is also significantly weaker than the Xenos GPU in Xbox 360, in
most areas.


GeForce 7800 vs RSX comparison
-pixel rendering pipelines/ROPs-
GeForce 7800: 16
RSX: 8

-pixel fillrate-
GeForce 7800: 6800 Mpixels/sec (16 ROPs x 430 MHz)
RSX: 4000 Mpixels/sec (8 ROPs x 500 MHz)

-external memory bus width-
GeForce 7800: 256-bit
RSX: 128-bit

-external bandwidth-
GeForce 7800: ~54 GB/sec
RSX: ~22 GB/sec
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Old July 30th 09, 08:31 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run atonly 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps.Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps

I saw that article. His game is a laughingstock at this point. Duke
Nukem Forever might come out first.

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Old July 31st 09, 12:54 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run atonly 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps.Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps

On Jul 30, 2:48*pm, Air Raid wrote:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=220530

Carmack: Rage runs faster on Xbox 360
Thursday 30-Jul-2009 5:33 PM PS3 version at 30fps, PC and 360 60fps,
id reveals
25 Comments

The Xbox 360 and PC versions of id's Rage sport higher framerates than
the PlayStation 3 version, the latest issue of Edge magazine reveals.

In a ten-page reveal in its latest issue, Edge writes that the Xbox
360 version of Rage - which uses id's new Tech 5 engine - matches the
60fps framerate of the PC version, while PS3 runs at just "20-30fps".

It's not mentioned whether the PS3 framerate will be addressed by the
game's eventual release.

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance
out of it," John Carmack told Edge. "The rasteriser is just a little
bit slower - no two ways about that.

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the
same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what
a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3," he
said.

The PS3 edition was thought to be the most technically capable of the
console pair, thanks to id being able to squeeze the gigantic shooter
onto a single-player Blu-ray disc, compared to Xbox 360's four DVDs.

The developer also confirmed that a Mac version of Rage is still in
development.


Poor Sony. They just can't catch a break this generation. They are
dead last in sales (and the gap is increasing), their library is much
worse than the X360 (source: gamerankings) and about 95% of all the
multiplatform games are better on the X360.

Hard to believe this is the same company that dominated the previous
two generations.
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Old July 31st 09, 01:50 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:54:09 -0700 (PDT), Robert P Holley
wrote:

Poor Sony. They just can't catch a break this generation. They are
dead last in sales (and the gap is increasing), their library is much
worse than the X360 (source: gamerankings) and about 95% of all the
multiplatform games are better on the X360.

Hard to believe this is the same company that dominated the previous
two generations.


Yeah and don't forget all the people who died either trying to get one
of these (either trampled by crowds after waiting in line for 12 hours
or shot/stabbed/decrapitated during console robbery gone bad).

Too bad the consolers haven't realized PC games always have been and
always will be superior, in every way.
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Old July 31st 09, 03:56 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps



"William" Wparks023@gmail wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:54:09 -0700 (PDT), Robert P Holley
wrote:

Poor Sony. They just can't catch a break this generation. They are
dead last in sales (and the gap is increasing), their library is much
worse than the X360 (source: gamerankings) and about 95% of all the
multiplatform games are better on the X360.

Hard to believe this is the same company that dominated the previous
two generations.


Yeah and don't forget all the people who died either trying to get one
of these (either trampled by crowds after waiting in line for 12 hours
or shot/stabbed/decrapitated during console robbery gone bad).

Too bad the consolers haven't realized PC games always have been and
always will be superior, in every way.


Who said console gamers don't have a realization to this? Most know that PC
games are far better in graphics, and customizing/modding them. But, playing
on a big screen HDTV with games that rarely need multiple patches to make
the games play (something all to common on PC games) while sitting on a more
comfortable chair or sofa is great. Console gaming isn't that far behind in
the looks and feel of how game have come along technologically anyway. As an
avid PC gamer years ago, I haven't given it much a look since getting the
original Xbox. It also ( probably these days most importantly) is much
cheaper, I can play online much easier as well, and I don't spend a grand
every year or two upgrading, because older hardware cannot live up to the
new games that come out.

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Old July 31st 09, 05:27 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:50:35 -0400, William Wparks023@gmail wrote:

Too bad the consolers haven't realized PC games always have been and
always will be superior, in every way.


And despite having a gaming capable PC, I still do 90% of my gaming on
consoles. Technically PC's may be better, but they are dragging behind
in software.
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Old July 31st 09, 05:46 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run atonly 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps.Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps

On Jul 31, 8:50*am, William Wparks023@gmail wrote:
Too bad the consolers haven't realized PC games always have been and
always will be superior, in every way.


I admit, I laughed.

PC gamers, stupid as ever.
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Old July 31st 09, 05:51 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps


"William" Wparks023@gmail wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:54:09 -0700 (PDT), Robert P Holley



Too bad the consolers haven't realized PC games always have been and
always will be superior, in every way.




on a pc costing the price of an xbox 360 ?
and its a shame there's less and less big games getting released for the pc
every year due to nobody wanting to pay for them.



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that fly...... is your magic wand....

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Old July 31st 09, 07:05 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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William wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:54:09 -0700 (PDT), Robert P Holley
wrote:

Poor Sony. They just can't catch a break this generation. They are
dead last in sales (and the gap is increasing), their library is much
worse than the X360 (source: gamerankings) and about 95% of all the
multiplatform games are better on the X360.

Hard to believe this is the same company that dominated the previous
two generations.


Yeah and don't forget all the people who died either trying to get one
of these (either trampled by crowds after waiting in line for 12 hours
or shot/stabbed/decrapitated during console robbery gone bad).

Too bad the consolers haven't realized PC games always have been and
always will be superior, in every way.



Nice troll... certainly got a number of bites. I'd give it 8/10 except
that with the x-posted groups the replies were entirely predictable - it
was hardly a challenge. 6/10 is fair I think.
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Old July 31st 09, 07:30 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.games.video.xbox,alt.games.video.sony-playstation3,alt.games.video.sony-playstation2,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Default Id / John Carmack announces the PS3 version of RAGE will run at only 20-to-30fps, breaking promise of all versions running at 60fps. Meanwhile the Xbox 360 version still runs at 60fps

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:48:19 -0700 (PDT), Air Raid
wrote:

The Xbox 360 and PC versions of id's Rage sport higher framerates than
the PlayStation 3 version, the latest issue of Edge magazine reveals.


I realize this post is intended to start a flame war, and as a fan of
PC gaming, I often try to wind up the console players, but lets take a
serious look at the issue.

Rage was programmed by id, traditionally a PC game company.
The XBox360 shares so much architecture with the PC, that it's not
surprising an id game would run well on it.

The few technical articles I've read about the PS3 seem to infer that
its an extremely powerful console, but that power is difficult to
exploit. Sony built something great, but also very proprietary. If you
look at their technology through the years, that is very typical Sony.
For programmers that aren't completely immersed in PS3 architecture,
making a port must be very difficult.
 




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