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Planning a small desktop/under desktop system
Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x
18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Thanks Ken K |
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Planning a small desktop/under desktop system
"ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. |
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TVeblen wrote:
"ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. Correct--the unit is no longer sold and hasn't been for years. The MB is an AOpen MX4GR with a Pentium 4 2000mHz cpu. I can upgrade, but I think the connectors are for the older ATX boards, so I am not sure what the limitations are. I know that the present board has a memory limitation, so that I could not increase the 512 that I have in it. There is no space for a cpu cooler (I will pull the cover, but I think that is the case), so that being the case, what older style chip runs cool enough to work? Here is a link to the AOpen MX4GR manual, if that helps: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdow...=3616&Model=62 CPU/motherboard suggestions would be appreciated. What is the last generation of chips and boards that can be used with the older connector power supplies? Thanks Ken K |
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Same Guy wrote:
Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:28:23 -0800: written by ken : Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. I've been eying this one hard as a replacement PC for my mom and as my grandmother's first one. More than they will ever need, yet meets my day-to-day needs as well. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856167032 Thanks. I will have to look into the issue with the delayed restarting if the shutdown is done with a hot motherboard... |
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"ken" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. Correct--the unit is no longer sold and hasn't been for years. The MB is an AOpen MX4GR with a Pentium 4 2000mHz cpu. I can upgrade, but I think the connectors are for the older ATX boards, so I am not sure what the limitations are. I know that the present board has a memory limitation, so that I could not increase the 512 that I have in it. There is no space for a cpu cooler (I will pull the cover, but I think that is the case), so that being the case, what older style chip runs cool enough to work? Here is a link to the AOpen MX4GR manual, if that helps: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdow...=3616&Model=62 CPU/motherboard suggestions would be appreciated. What is the last generation of chips and boards that can be used with the older connector power supplies? Almost anything runs cooler than a P4. If you were to go the upgrade route you would be replacing the motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply at a minimum. Probably the video card too, but I'm guessing that thing has on board video, so you would look for the same in a new motherboard. An ATX motherboard will fit in any case that takes an ATX - the screw holes will line up. Micro-ATX for Micro-ATX also. Just read that manual and see if it says what "form factor" the board is. |
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"ken" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. Correct--the unit is no longer sold and hasn't been for years. The MB is an AOpen MX4GR with a Pentium 4 2000mHz cpu. I can upgrade, but I think the connectors are for the older ATX boards, so I am not sure what the limitations are. I know that the present board has a memory limitation, so that I could not increase the 512 that I have in it. There is no space for a cpu cooler (I will pull the cover, but I think that is the case), so that being the case, what older style chip runs cool enough to work? Here is a link to the AOpen MX4GR manual, if that helps: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdow...=3616&Model=62 CPU/motherboard suggestions would be appreciated. What is the last generation of chips and boards that can be used with the older connector power supplies? Almost anything runs cooler than a P4. If you were to go the upgrade route you would be replacing the motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply at a minimum. Probably the video card too, but I'm guessing that thing has on board video, so you would look for the same in a new motherboard. An ATX motherboard will fit in any case that takes an ATX - the screw holes will line up. Micro-ATX for Micro-ATX also. Just read that manual and see if it says what "form factor" the board is. |
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TVeblen wrote:
"ken" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. Correct--the unit is no longer sold and hasn't been for years. The MB is an AOpen MX4GR with a Pentium 4 2000mHz cpu. I can upgrade, but I think the connectors are for the older ATX boards, so I am not sure what the limitations are. I know that the present board has a memory limitation, so that I could not increase the 512 that I have in it. There is no space for a cpu cooler (I will pull the cover, but I think that is the case), so that being the case, what older style chip runs cool enough to work? Here is a link to the AOpen MX4GR manual, if that helps: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdow...=3616&Model=62 CPU/motherboard suggestions would be appreciated. What is the last generation of chips and boards that can be used with the older connector power supplies? Almost anything runs cooler than a P4. If you were to go the upgrade route you would be replacing the motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply at a minimum. Probably the video card too, but I'm guessing that thing has on board video, so you would look for the same in a new motherboard. An ATX motherboard will fit in any case that takes an ATX - the screw holes will line up. Micro-ATX for Micro-ATX also. Just read that manual and see if it says what "form factor" the board is. Using on-board video would not be a problem if the motherboard had a DVI connector; that is what we use now, but I would like a DVI connector so that I could upgrade the monitor. I don't think I can find a power supply that would fit the case, so that is why I thought I would use the same generation motherboard, just up grading it to the latest and greatest cpu + memory just before the switch to the next generation motherboards. The connectors should be the same as for my motherboard, I assume. The chip and memory should not be very expensive. Do you know at which chipset the ATX motherboards were changed to ATX 2, or whatever the newest ones are called? Thanks Ken |
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Planning a small desktop/under desktop system
"kenk" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. Correct--the unit is no longer sold and hasn't been for years. The MB is an AOpen MX4GR with a Pentium 4 2000mHz cpu. I can upgrade, but I think the connectors are for the older ATX boards, so I am not sure what the limitations are. I know that the present board has a memory limitation, so that I could not increase the 512 that I have in it. There is no space for a cpu cooler (I will pull the cover, but I think that is the case), so that being the case, what older style chip runs cool enough to work? Here is a link to the AOpen MX4GR manual, if that helps: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdow...=3616&Model=62 CPU/motherboard suggestions would be appreciated. What is the last generation of chips and boards that can be used with the older connector power supplies? Almost anything runs cooler than a P4. If you were to go the upgrade route you would be replacing the motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply at a minimum. Probably the video card too, but I'm guessing that thing has on board video, so you would look for the same in a new motherboard. An ATX motherboard will fit in any case that takes an ATX - the screw holes will line up. Micro-ATX for Micro-ATX also. Just read that manual and see if it says what "form factor" the board is. Using on-board video would not be a problem if the motherboard had a DVI connector; that is what we use now, but I would like a DVI connector so that I could upgrade the monitor. I don't think I can find a power supply that would fit the case, so that is why I thought I would use the same generation motherboard, just up grading it to the latest and greatest cpu + memory just before the switch to the next generation motherboards. The connectors should be the same as for my motherboard, I assume. The chip and memory should not be very expensive. Do you know at which chipset the ATX motherboards were changed to ATX 2, or whatever the newest ones are called? ATX is simply a uniform standard for motherboard design - it has nothing to do with the generations, processors, etc. After the Northwood P4 processor (yours) came the Prescott P4 and that was the end of the line for that generation of processors and 8xx chipsets. It would be hardly worth the effort or cost to upgrade from a northwood to a prescott - I doubt you would see any noticeable performance difference. After the Pentium 4 came the Core processors: the Core Duos, the Core Extremes, then the Core 2 Duos, then the Core 2 Quads, then the i7. All require the newer power supplies. Look on Newegg.com and see if they make your type of power supply. They carry dozens of different types. |
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Planning a small desktop/under desktop system
TVeblen wrote:
"kenk" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... TVeblen wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Only because it is relatively slow now, I want to replace a slick 2" x 18" x 18" PC Power and Cooling system called Sleekline that they made a number of years ago. It mounts very nicely in the leg well of my wife's desk. What options do I have for a box that would sit below the desktop and not take up too much room (perhaps I could even build a bracket to hold it off of the floor to make it easier to access a DVD)? I know of the shuttle but don't know anything about the merits of a shuttle. I am not sure what else is out there to consider. Well, the 2660 system I just looked at uses a P4 2.66 which is a hot chip, so if the cooling has not been an issue for you to this point then I'm guessing it runs at 1/4 throttle most of the time. I assume P&CS does not make the sleekline anymore? If not I would pop the cover off that thing and look to see what I would need to upgrade. If the case has standard ATX or Micro-ATX configuration mounts and it uses standard components than you could consider upgrading right in that case. Correct--the unit is no longer sold and hasn't been for years. The MB is an AOpen MX4GR with a Pentium 4 2000mHz cpu. I can upgrade, but I think the connectors are for the older ATX boards, so I am not sure what the limitations are. I know that the present board has a memory limitation, so that I could not increase the 512 that I have in it. There is no space for a cpu cooler (I will pull the cover, but I think that is the case), so that being the case, what older style chip runs cool enough to work? Here is a link to the AOpen MX4GR manual, if that helps: http://download.aopen.com.tw/userdow...=3616&Model=62 CPU/motherboard suggestions would be appreciated. What is the last generation of chips and boards that can be used with the older connector power supplies? Almost anything runs cooler than a P4. If you were to go the upgrade route you would be replacing the motherboard, processor, memory, and power supply at a minimum. Probably the video card too, but I'm guessing that thing has on board video, so you would look for the same in a new motherboard. An ATX motherboard will fit in any case that takes an ATX - the screw holes will line up. Micro-ATX for Micro-ATX also. Just read that manual and see if it says what "form factor" the board is. Using on-board video would not be a problem if the motherboard had a DVI connector; that is what we use now, but I would like a DVI connector so that I could upgrade the monitor. I don't think I can find a power supply that would fit the case, so that is why I thought I would use the same generation motherboard, just up grading it to the latest and greatest cpu + memory just before the switch to the next generation motherboards. The connectors should be the same as for my motherboard, I assume. The chip and memory should not be very expensive. Do you know at which chipset the ATX motherboards were changed to ATX 2, or whatever the newest ones are called? ATX is simply a uniform standard for motherboard design - it has nothing to do with the generations, processors, etc. After the Northwood P4 processor (yours) came the Prescott P4 and that was the end of the line for that generation of processors and 8xx chipsets. It would be hardly worth the effort or cost to upgrade from a northwood to a prescott - I doubt you would see any noticeable performance difference. After the Pentium 4 came the Core processors: the Core Duos, the Core Extremes, then the Core 2 Duos, then the Core 2 Quads, then the i7. All require the newer power supplies. Look on Newegg.com and see if they make your type of power supply. They carry dozens of different types. I thought that the power connectors are different for the newer motherboards... |
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