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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
ken wrote:
Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing This one isnt ideal and may have been the reason for the slower effect, when it was retrying on that particular sector. C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. Yeah, no need to bin the drive. It may eventually reallocate that particular sector. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Just Samsung. I'm not that keen on Hitachi drives, just because of the history when they were owned by IBM, I didnt like the way that IBM treated those who did end up with the infamous deathstars. Corse its not clear how Hitachi would deal with those because they havent had the same problem with a very bad model. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Nar, thats all I meant, and just the last table too. |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... ken wrote Rod Speed wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? Presumably the reason for the very long time is because its somehow decided to do the full scan. What did you defrag with ? The short (3 stage) scan only takes about 10 minutes. Thats a bit on the higher side for whats presumably the 500MB drive. The 5 stage scan is the long one, Yeah, thats normal. It isnt normal to see that done at boot time tho. now down to about 1 hour after removing all of my temp files. I use Windows defrag. What do you use for defragging? I dont defrag anymore. It isnt necessary on modern systems. The short story is that modern drives seek so fast now that a few extra seeks with access to long files isnt even visible anymore and the only long files that are read in their entirety anymore are media files, particularly video files, and the rate of access to those is entirely determined by the replay rate. So defragging is a complete waste of time now except in the sense that if you're stupid enough to not have full backups, it can make recovery a bit more viable if the files dont have high write levels. Where do you get your information that defragging a hard drive isn't necessary? That's absurd! Modern disks do get fragmented & even though some newer drives are faster,(10,000RPM vs. 7200RPM), seek time is reduced by having a an unfragmented drive. To the OP: There are many free defrag programs available. For a quick defrag try: http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag (note:you can run it at highest priority in settings, & it runs at full speed) For an automatic defrag program that runs while the PC is idle (per your settings) try: http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html?Str=download This defrag program can move the most used files to the front, for quicker access. ~Gary |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
Gary Brandenburg wrote
Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? Presumably the reason for the very long time is because its somehow decided to do the full scan. What did you defrag with ? The short (3 stage) scan only takes about 10 minutes. Thats a bit on the higher side for whats presumably the 500MB drive. The 5 stage scan is the long one, Yeah, thats normal. It isnt normal to see that done at boot time tho. now down to about 1 hour after removing all of my temp files. I use Windows defrag. What do you use for defragging? I dont defrag anymore. It isnt necessary on modern systems. The short story is that modern drives seek so fast now that a few extra seeks with access to long files isnt even visible anymore and the only long files that are read in their entirety anymore are media files, particularly video files, and the rate of access to those is entirely determined by the replay rate. So defragging is a complete waste of time now except in the sense that if you're stupid enough to not have full backups, it can make recovery a bit more viable if the files dont have high write levels. Where do you get your information that defragging a hard drive isn't necessary? I spelt out the reasons above. That's absurd! Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there. Modern disks do get fragmented Never said they didnt. & even though some newer drives are faster,(10,000RPM vs. 7200RPM), The rotation rate is only part of the reason the seek a lot faster than old drives did. seek time is reduced by having a an unfragmented drive. But seek time hardly ever matters anymore, as I spelt out above. It makes bugger all difference when copying large files either, and if you are doing much of that, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to stop doing that than it does to furiously defrag the drive. To the OP: There are many free defrag programs available. For a quick defrag try: http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag (note:you can run it at highest priority in settings, & it runs at full speed) For an automatic defrag program that runs while the PC is idle (per your settings) try: http://www.iobit.com/iobitsmartdefrag.html?Str=download This defrag program can move the most used files to the front, for quicker access. In practice Win does that itself now and seek times are a trivial part of the total start time with apps now, because they are so big and because the heads still have to move to access the associated dlls etc that the exe requires etc. The smaller exes that dont use any dlls load so fast that an extra seek or two isnt even measurable. |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
"ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 ~Gary |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
Gary Brandenburg wrote:
"ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. No he doesnt with that particular drive. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. More fool you. There is no evidence from that SMART report that the drive may be failing. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. He already said that he has proper backups. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) He's already said that he has checked that that isnt the problem. Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes
Gary Brandenburg wrote:
"ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 ~Gary Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close to a religious belief... Cheers Ken K |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes
Rod Speed wrote:
Gary Brandenburg wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. No he doesnt with that particular drive. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. More fool you. There is no evidence from that SMART report that the drive may be failing. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. He already said that he has proper backups. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) He's already said that he has checked that that isnt the problem. Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 Rod, Thanks for all of the input. See my reply to gary Brandenburg above. I will replace the drive, as it keeps being seen by the OS as "dirty". My temporary replacement drive is running quite smoothly and quickly, so I am very glad that I do backups and have images I can load as needed. Cheers Ken K |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
"ken" wrote in message ... Gary Brandenburg wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 ~Gary Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close to a religious belief... Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me, per your previous post?? Cheers Ken K Anyway, No-it's part of regular maintenance if you want to keep your system running at it's best. It's not a thing from the past that doesn't apply to today's drives. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...proveperf.mspx http://www.xpmaximized.com/archives/...-schedule.html http://www.itrang.net/tips-tricks/4-...ntenance-tips/ http://www.windowsreference.com/wind...ntenace-tasks/ http://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/...Disk_maint.pdf quote Badly fragmented disks can cause a lot of problems, like general system slowdowns, slower startup and shutdowns, and even computer crashes. Basically, your hard drive is the slowest part of your computer and file fragmentation makes it even slower. end quote I've been reading these newsgroups for the last 3 years & I've never heard anybody suggest that you shouldn't defrag your hard drive-that it was just a waste of time. If you don't believe me,just start another post & ask "Is disk defragmenting necessary?". I just didn't want that guy to steer you wrong with his erroneous advice, but since you know enough to image your HDD & were already running some maintenance on your PC, by defragging, it seems that you're intelligent enough to know better. There are people that might actually take his advice, thinking that he knew what he was talking about, concerning this. After all, he also claimed that the hard drive wasn't failing, twice, in a response to my observations to you, in an attempt to discredit me. Once a drive develops bad sectors, it can snowball into even more bad sectors. Windows monitors these events & that's the reason that the chkdsk ran automatically. I'm sure if you checked the Event Viewer, you would see warnings that hard drive failure may be imminent, or something in that order. It is a good thing that you run backups. It's really troubling when someone loses everything that they've accumulated over time,by a hard drive failure. Glad you're back up & running. ~Gary |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes selected): how to stop?
Gary Brandenburg wrote:
"ken" wrote in message ... Gary Brandenburg wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 ~Gary Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close to a religious belief... Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me, per your previous post?? Cheers Ken K Anyway, No- Fraid so. it's part of regular maintenance if you want to keep your system running at it's best. Only fools furiously defrag to do that. It's not a thing from the past that doesn't apply to today's drives. Wrong, as always. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...proveperf.mspx Completely obsolete. http://www.xpmaximized.com/archives/...-schedule.html Pig ignorant silly stuff. http://www.itrang.net/tips-tricks/4-...ntenance-tips/ Pig ignorant silly stuff. http://www.windowsreference.com/wind...ntenace-tasks/ Pig ignorant silly stuff. http://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/...Disk_maint.pdf Pig ignorant silly stuff. quote Badly fragmented disks can cause a lot of problems, Bare faced pig ignorant lie. like general system slowdowns, Bare faced pig ignorant lie. slower startup and shutdowns, Bare faced pig ignorant lie. The few extra seeks arent even measurable in that. and even computer crashes. Bare faced pig ignorant lie. There is no way that any extra seeks can cause a crash. Basically, your hard drive is the slowest part of your computer Wrong again, floppys are MUCH slower and so are DVDs/CDs. and file fragmentation makes it even slower. end quote Nice theory, pity that fool wouldnt even be able to pick the difference in a proper double blind trial. I've been reading these newsgroups for the last 3 years But dont have anything viable between your ears to apply to what you have read. & I've never heard anybody suggest that you shouldn't defrag your hard drive-that it was just a waste of time. You need to get out more. There are HORDES of threads that say just that, trivially findable using groups.google. If you don't believe me,just start another post & ask "Is disk defragmenting necessary?". No point, its been discussed repeatedly endlessly, you're so stupid you havent even noticed. I just didn't want that guy to steer you wrong with his erroneous advice, Its you doing that in spades. but since you know enough to image your HDD & were already running some maintenance on your PC, by defragging, it seems that you're intelligent enough to know better. And you were to stupid to even noticed that he had said that already. There are people that might actually take his advice, thinking that he knew what he was talking about, concerning this. Yep, even someone as stupid as you should be able to find countless examples of people saying that they no longer bother to defrag anymore using groups.google. After all, he also claimed that the hard drive wasn't failing, twice, It isnt failing, fool. in a response to my observations to you, in an attempt to discredit me. You discredit yourself. Once a drive develops bad sectors, it can snowball into even more bad sectors. And they can be caused by something as mundane as a mains failure and dont indicate that the drive is failing. Windows monitors these events & that's the reason that the chkdsk ran automatically. Another pig ignorant lie. Thats done JUST because the system hasnt been shutdown properly, to check whether the cache hasnt been flushed to the drive properly. I'm sure if you checked the Event Viewer, you would see warnings that hard drive failure may be imminent, or something in that order. Wanna bet ? It is a good thing that you run backups. And you're so stupid you didnt even notice that he had said that earlier. It's really troubling when someone loses everything that they've accumulated over time,by a hard drive failure. Glad you're back up & running. |
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CHKDSK runs after reboot following defragmentation (no boxes
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"ken" wrote in message ... Gary Brandenburg wrote: "ken" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Rod Speed wrote ken wrote Win XP Pro SP3+ Recently, after I defrag my disks, chkdsk sets itself to run, sometimes with just three stages (verifying files, indexes, and security descriptors) but not infrequently it runs 5 stages, adding verification of file data and free space. That 5 stage whole process takes about 2 hours, which is a PITA. Thats a hell of a long time, much longer than it should be. There must be something very seriously wrong to take that long. I am not sure how to get around it other than to shut off the machine, restart, F8 and start with most recent successful profile... The normal way to stop it running chkdsk at boot time is to let it complete that properly. I am not sure why it does that... Because you havent let it complete. I have not checked the boxes in disk management that allow one the option of running chkdsk--both are unchecked. Is there some way of getting around this? Work out why its taking so long and fix that. Whats the detail on the cpu and drives ? Actually, the reason that I know how long it takes is that I HAVE let it run. Occasionally, it will run the 3 stage, then when it reboots, it runs the 5 stage,then it may or may not boot into the F8 screen. If not, then it will boot correctly. Specs: Intel DP35DP mb (BIOS is the most recent, 12/2/08), Intel Core2Duo E8400 (3 gHz), Corsair 2 x 2GB DDR2 RAM (tested 2 days ago with memtest and Intelram--passed with flying colors), no overclocking, all set at default in BIOS, Thats a bizarre time to do a chkdsk with a system like that. That is what I thought...! drives Hitachi 500gb and Samsung 1T for storage Presumably its checking both drives ? I wish that was the case, but it only checks C: drive. And thats presumably the 500GB drive ? One other little bit of info that I recall probably does not mean much but is as follows: I decided to move the data files for Thunderbird a week or so ago--this was after I had noticed the slowdown and in preparation for a failing drive and in preparation for mounting a drive with an image from 9/08. After I had moved my data from the profiles folder and having used it for a few days to convince myself that there was no problem, I deleted the files from the profiles folder, but found two files that could not be deleted because they were corrupted. That may well indicate that one drive does have a problem. One was a .gif file and the other was a msgFilterRules.dat file. At that point I did, in fact, check the boxes for chkdsk to try to recover the data, hoping that they could be recovered so that I could delete them, but no luck. That was after a defrag (by the way, you had asked which program I use and I just use the Windows defrag program---do you recommend a different one?) I recommend not defragging anymore, see the other post. I do not recall if it was after that initial attempt at recovery or a few days thereafter when after defragging, I got into the cycle that I mentioned above of either the 3 stage or 5 stage chkdsk garbage. I guess its possible that one drive is dying and its that thats triggered the full chkdsk runs at boot time. Post the Everest SMART report for the drives. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181 (I have since mounted the image from 9/08 on a different drive and the two files that I mentioned above were easily removed without problem, so that they were corrupted after 9/08, FWIW... Perhaps I will just continue using the 9/08 image, now that I have updated it with all of the latest MS upgrades. It does run more quickly than the disk that developed the problem, but I sure would like to understand what happened.... Its still running chkdsk at boot time ? I agree about understanding whats going on, I never ignore stuff like that and hope for the best. I may just retire that SATA drive or use it to store film .iso files...) The Everest SMART report should give some evidence on the health of the drive. Be sure to do that on that drive. Here is the info on my C: drive (I was mistaken--I had thought I was using a newer 500 GB hdd, but this is a 250 GB hdd vintage 2004) The SMART info follows the description. (There is so much info I decided that it was not necessary to post the info about the other two drives in my system.) [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] ATA Device Properties: Model ID HDS722525VLSA80 Serial Number VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M Revision V36OA60A Parameters 484521 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector LBA Sectors 488397168 Buffer 7938 KB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead) Multiple Sectors 16 ECC Bytes 4 Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4 Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100) Unformatted Capacity 238475 MB ATA Device Features: SMART Supported Security Mode Supported Power Management Supported Advanced Power Management Supported Write Cache Supported Host Protected Area Supported Power-Up In Standby Supported Automatic Acoustic Management Supported 48-bit LBA Supported Device Configuration Overlay Supported ATA Device Physical Info: Manufacturer Hitachi Hard Disk Family Deskstar 7K250 Form Factor 3.5" Formatted Capacity 250 GB Disks 3 Recording Surfaces 6 Physical Dimensions 146 x 101.6 x 25.4 mm Max. Weight 640 g Average Rotational Latency 4.17 ms Rotational Speed 7200 RPM Max. Internal Data Rate 757 Mbit/s Average Seek 8.5 ms Track-To-Track Seek 1.1 ms Full Seek 15.1 ms Interface SATA Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 150 MB/s Buffer Size 8 MB ATA Device Manufacturer: Company Name Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Product Information http://www.hgst.com/products [ HDS722525VLSA80 (VNRJ3EC6CM8M5M) ] 01 Raw Read Error Rate 60 94 94 851981 OK: Value is normal 02 Throughput Performance 50 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 03 Spin Up Time 24 168 168 12124390 OK: Value is normal 04 Start/Stop Count 0 100 100 780 OK: Always passing 05 Reallocated Sector Count 5 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 07 Seek Error Rate 67 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 08 Seek Time Performance 20 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 09 Power-On Time Count 0 95 95 35189 OK: Always passing 0A Spin Retry Count 60 100 100 0 OK: Value is normal 0C Power Cycle Count 0 100 100 406 OK: Always passing C0 Power-Off Retract Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C1 Load/Unload Cycle Count 50 99 99 2235 OK: Value is normal C2 Temperature 0 137 137 20, 40 OK: Always passing C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 100 100 1 OK: Always passing C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 100 100 0 OK: Always passing C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 200 200 1 OK: Always passing It appears to look fine to me. As I say, I think I will pull it out of service and replace it with a more reliable and faster drive. Any recommendations? I know you are partial to Hitachi and Samsung from recent posts. Is there any additional info you would like from the Everest program? Ken K Ken- Whatever you do,don't stop the computer when it's running a chkdsk. You could cause data corruption or end up with an unbootable computer. More info on the subject: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/831426/en-us Obviously,you have a problem drive that may be failing. When you're using Everest, in the summary you can go down to the hard drives & click on the vendor & it will bring up a link for their web site & product updates. I would go there & get their diagnostic tools & run it on the hard drive. If you have anything on the drive that you don't want to lose,you might want to copy that to a CD,thumb drive, or an external hard drive, while it still accessible. To stop it from running try he http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm (line #82 on the left) Also some differing opinions of why it's running at startup: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...tartup&spell=1 ~Gary Well,I tried the various fixes, but I am afraid that they did not work. Last night I downloaded the Hitachi program, which found two defective sectors. After the sectors were repaired, I still have had problems with the disc being seen as "dirty", so I think I will use it for storing movies and be done with it. The bottom line is that I am very glad that I do backups! Thanks for your input. It seems that belief in defragmentation is close to a religious belief... Is that the line that you wanted Rod to see, in your response to me, per your previous post?? Hardly! I was commenting on the fact that from my seat it appears that there are very strong beliefs on both sides of the case for and against defragmentation. I have never seen a downside to defragmenting disks, so I have always done so, as it always made sense to do so. I think that there are a lot more important things to spend energy on than whether or not one should defragment a hard drive... I should have stated my comment as follows: It seems that belief in defragmenting or not defragmenting a disk is close to a religious belief.. Cheers Ken K Anyway, No-it's part of regular maintenance if you want to keep your system running at it's best. It's not a thing from the past that doesn't apply to today's drives. See: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...proveperf.mspx http://www.xpmaximized.com/archives/...-schedule.html http://www.itrang.net/tips-tricks/4-...ntenance-tips/ http://www.windowsreference.com/wind...ntenace-tasks/ http://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/...Disk_maint.pdf quote Badly fragmented disks can cause a lot of problems, like general system slowdowns, slower startup and shutdowns, and even computer crashes. Basically, your hard drive is the slowest part of your computer and file fragmentation makes it even slower. end quote I've been reading these newsgroups for the last 3 years & I've never heard anybody suggest that you shouldn't defrag your hard drive-that it was just a waste of time. If you don't believe me,just start another post & ask "Is disk defragmenting necessary?". I just didn't want that guy to steer you wrong with his erroneous advice, but since you know enough to image your HDD & were already running some maintenance on your PC, by defragging, it seems that you're intelligent enough to know better. There are people that might actually take his advice, thinking that he knew what he was talking about, concerning this. After all, he also claimed that the hard drive wasn't failing, twice, in a response to my observations to you, in an attempt to discredit me. Once a drive develops bad sectors, it can snowball into even more bad sectors. Windows monitors these events & that's the reason that the chkdsk ran automatically. I'm sure if you checked the Event Viewer, you would see warnings that hard drive failure may be imminent, or something in that order. I share your concern about bad sectors. And in all of the years and with all of the hdd's I have had, this situation was unique, which is why this drive is being sent out to pasture. BTW, I did go into Event Viewer but the only red error messages referred to the drive being dirty and scheduled to run chkdsk. It is a good thing that you run backups. It's really troubling when someone loses everything that they've accumulated over time,by a hard drive failure. Yes, I am a titch compulsive. I have my hard drive, my images of my hdd, and a removable drive with copies of my images. Belt, suspenders, and more suspenders... Glad you're back up & running. Thanks. Ironically, it was Rod, I believe, who originally pointed me in the direction of Acronis TrueImage many years ago...! While he may not believe in defragmenting disks, he has a lot of knowledge that has proven valuable over the years. Many thanks for your input! Ken K |
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