Rebuilding a Dell 2300 ... keeps shutting down during Windows installation

if you need a retension bracket then get the right one. ebay item number
220070000447 only $4.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:5CZoh.15948$Pe7.9507@trnddc04...
Ben:

Found a bunch of people who sell socket 478 heat sink retention modules
for
about $1.98 each.
But, will they will work over socket 370?
Or is there a better cpu cooling system for a socket 370, like a copper
heat
sink/fan combo?

Thanks


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace it
with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400 (and
other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4"
wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was
damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first
drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat
sink,
or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows 2000
pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down as
soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I
think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...

the above is just for the clips. if you need the bracket and the clips look
at look at ebay item 9731544587.

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:2K6ph.4339$us1.125@trndny04...
if you need a retension bracket then get the right one. ebay item number
220070000447 only $4.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:5CZoh.15948$Pe7.9507@trnddc04...
Ben:

Found a bunch of people who sell socket 478 heat sink retention modules
for
about $1.98 each.
But, will they will work over socket 370?
Or is there a better cpu cooling system for a socket 370, like a copper
heat
sink/fan combo?

Thanks


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace it
with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400 (and
other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4"
wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was
damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first
drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud
is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat
sink,
or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed
anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows
2000
pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down
as
soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I
think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...

that didn't come through my newreader... just the original post followed a
jump to the conclusion that it is an overheating problem. what strikes me
as most bizarre is the op statement "Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to
clock at 10 (default, I think)"... what bios does he/she have? doesn't
sound like dell.

"S.Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:Ny0ph.6123$Mf2.3104@trndny01...
dude, i see what other people wrote. and of course your don't have to
heed my advice, but this is exactly the symptom that results from bad
ram. i don't know why anyone would conclude that the problem is an
overheating cpu if you haven't touched the cpu or the shroud or fan. i
say remove the new ram and stick in the original 128mb and try running
setup again. your new ram may work ok after the install completes but
windows 2k and xp doesn't install if you have faulty ram.



Chris, I think he came back and said that the retention module was
"broken/damaged". I've seen these machines run maybe 4-5 mins with the
heatsink slightly un-seated and then completely dump power.

If the HSRM is broken and HS contact is bad, it could conceivably dump
very quickly.

The problem here, as I see it, is the OP has changed/swapped too many
parts to know until he goes back to a minimal boot - which should include
the original RAM (as you've suggested) and PS if he's able.

Stew

The comment by the OP about Socket 370 REALLY confused me. Perhaps the OP can
state more clearly just what motherboard is in the system. I have difficulty
imagining someone going to all the effort to put a non-Dell board in a Dimension
2300 chassis, but stranger things have happened... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:43:00 GMT, "Christopher Muto"
wrote:

that didn't come through my newreader... just the original post followed a
jump to the conclusion that it is an overheating problem. what strikes me
as most bizarre is the op statement "Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to
clock at 10 (default, I think)"... what bios does he/she have? doesn't
sound like dell.

"S.Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:Ny0ph.6123$Mf2.3104@trndny01...
dude, i see what other people wrote. and of course your don't have to
heed my advice, but this is exactly the symptom that results from bad
ram. i don't know why anyone would conclude that the problem is an
overheating cpu if you haven't touched the cpu or the shroud or fan. i
say remove the new ram and stick in the original 128mb and try running
setup again. your new ram may work ok after the install completes but
windows 2k and xp doesn't install if you have faulty ram.



Chris, I think he came back and said that the retention module was
"broken/damaged". I've seen these machines run maybe 4-5 mins with the
heatsink slightly un-seated and then completely dump power.

If the HSRM is broken and HS contact is bad, it could conceivably dump
very quickly.

The problem here, as I see it, is the OP has changed/swapped too many
parts to know until he goes back to a minimal boot - which should include
the original RAM (as you've suggested) and PS if he's able.

Stew

Bill:

The motherboard appears to be generic, I can't find any id on the front
side.
I'll have to pull it to replace the retention module as it is screwed down,
not clipped.
I'll check there.
As for the BIOS - this system was being used by an auto mechanic ...
And, an auto mechanic's wife. (need I say more)
This is what I get for helping out ...
neways ... I'm sure I'll have to upgrade the BIOS ... and the OS, and
everything else.
Talk about you fuzz bunnies ... Good God!
A whole bottle of alcohol ... Yikes!
I'll be sure to post the results as soon as I get it running.

Paul

"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
The comment by the OP about Socket 370 REALLY confused me. Perhaps the
OP can
state more clearly just what motherboard is in the system. I have
difficulty
imagining someone going to all the effort to put a non-Dell board in a
Dimension
2300 chassis, but stranger things have happened... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:43:00 GMT, "Christopher Muto"

wrote:

that didn't come through my newreader... just the original post followed
a
jump to the conclusion that it is an overheating problem. what strikes
me
as most bizarre is the op statement "Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu
to
clock at 10 (default, I think)"... what bios does he/she have? doesn't
sound like dell.

"S.Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:Ny0ph.6123$Mf2.3104@trndny01...
dude, i see what other people wrote. and of course your don't have to
heed my advice, but this is exactly the symptom that results from bad
ram. i don't know why anyone would conclude that the problem is an
overheating cpu if you haven't touched the cpu or the shroud or fan. i
say remove the new ram and stick in the original 128mb and try running
setup again. your new ram may work ok after the install completes but
windows 2k and xp doesn't install if you have faulty ram.



Chris, I think he came back and said that the retention module was
"broken/damaged". I've seen these machines run maybe 4-5 mins with the
heatsink slightly un-seated and then completely dump power.

If the HSRM is broken and HS contact is bad, it could conceivably dump
very quickly.

The problem here, as I see it, is the OP has changed/swapped too many
parts to know until he goes back to a minimal boot - which should
include
the original RAM (as you've suggested) and PS if he's able.

Stew

Thanks:

Socket 478 ...
I think I got the right one

Paul


"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:bO6ph.2230$3L1.262@trndny03...
the above is just for the clips. if you need the bracket and the clips
look
at look at ebay item 9731544587.

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:2K6ph.4339$us1.125@trndny04...
if you need a retension bracket then get the right one. ebay item
number
220070000447 only $4.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:5CZoh.15948$Pe7.9507@trnddc04...
Ben:

Found a bunch of people who sell socket 478 heat sink retention modules
for
about $1.98 each.
But, will they will work over socket 370?
Or is there a better cpu cooling system for a socket 370, like a copper
heat
sink/fan combo?

Thanks


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace it
with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400
(and
other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4"

wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was
damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the first
drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought shroud
is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat
sink,
or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to
cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed
anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows
2000
pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts down
as
soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I
think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...

i think you are on your own with this rig. that is to say that from your
other post it dosen't sound like a dell motherboard (no markings and the
retention bracket screwed on from the underside of the board is not typical
dell) and so comments here that assume it is a dimension 2300 as you state
will only confuse the matter. you should be able to identify whatever you
have once you can get it to post and you enter the bios.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:gFyph.4978$Cn3.2126@trnddc02...
Thanks:

Socket 478 ...
I think I got the right one

Paul


"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:bO6ph.2230$3L1.262@trndny03...
the above is just for the clips. if you need the bracket and the clips
look
at look at ebay item 9731544587.

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:2K6ph.4339$us1.125@trndny04...
if you need a retension bracket then get the right one. ebay item
number
220070000447 only $4.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:5CZoh.15948$Pe7.9507@trnddc04...
Ben:

Found a bunch of people who sell socket 478 heat sink retention
modules
for
about $1.98 each.
But, will they will work over socket 370?
Or is there a better cpu cooling system for a socket 370, like a
copper
heat
sink/fan combo?

Thanks


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace
it
with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400
(and
other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4"

wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module was
damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the
first
drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought
shroud
is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a heat
sink,
or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to
cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed
anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS (Windows
2000
pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts
down
as
soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default, I
think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...

Thanks for your help Christopher.

Paul


"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:APyph.18119$Pe7.13553@trnddc04...
i think you are on your own with this rig. that is to say that from your
other post it dosen't sound like a dell motherboard (no markings and the
retention bracket screwed on from the underside of the board is not
typical
dell) and so comments here that assume it is a dimension 2300 as you state
will only confuse the matter. you should be able to identify whatever you
have once you can get it to post and you enter the bios.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:gFyph.4978$Cn3.2126@trnddc02...
Thanks:

Socket 478 ...
I think I got the right one

Paul


"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:bO6ph.2230$3L1.262@trndny03...
the above is just for the clips. if you need the bracket and the clips
look
at look at ebay item 9731544587.

"Christopher Muto" wrote in message
news:2K6ph.4339$us1.125@trndny04...
if you need a retension bracket then get the right one. ebay item
number
220070000447 only $4.

"System 4" wrote in message
news:5CZoh.15948$Pe7.9507@trnddc04...
Ben:

Found a bunch of people who sell socket 478 heat sink retention
modules
for
about $1.98 each.
But, will they will work over socket 370?
Or is there a better cpu cooling system for a socket 370, like a
copper
heat
sink/fan combo?

Thanks


"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...
If the heat sink retention module is damaged, remove it and replace
it
with a
good one. Then get the right heat sink for a Dell 2300/2350/2400
(and
other
models of Dell towers)... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:20:10 GMT, "System 4"

wrote:

Jay B:

The first think I noted was that the heat sink retention module
was
damaged.
So I opted to open case the install so I could at least get the
first
drive
loaded with the OS.
The hard drives are new 80gb Barracudas.
The power supplies are Kingwin 4 fan 450w (new)
You may be right ... the cpu could be reading hot even thought
shroud
is
off.
I never thought that would be an issue.
Is there anyway of getting this thing up and running without a
heat
sink,
or
the shroud?
I've bench built several systems this way ...

Thanks

"Jay B" wrote in message
...
sounds like overheating due to heatsink not tightly attached to
cpu.
watche the lights in the back, do they all turn solid green
beforecrashing? what are the lights in the back after the system
crashes? could also be bad hard drive driver loaded.
did you try safe mode?

System 4 wrote:
Anyone:

I just broke down my 2300 Dimension.
Pulled the old hard drive. (nothing important there, crashed
anyway)
Replaced the power supply with a 450w (new)
Installed 2 new Seagate hard drives and a new dvd rom.
To start, I setup only the master drive to load the OS
(Windows
2000
pro) as
well as the floppy, and the original cd / rw
During the initial stage of loading the OS, the system shuts
down
as
soon as
it gets to "Loading Windows".
Exchanged the power supply with new ones ... 3 times!
Same issue.

Jumped the CMOS ... (again) and started over.
Checked the CMOS and set the 1.8 cpu to clock at 10 (default,
I
think)
No other changes were made.
I'm stumped

Anybody got any ideas as to what is going on?

Thanks...