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Recommendation for best card for both 3D and 2D?
I'm looking for a card that can handle 3D decently (flight sims and
most recent kids games like Harry Potter are the most intensive it will be used for), but also would like to do video editing. Is there one that can do both well? If not, is an alternative to put one in the AGP slot and another in the PCI slot? TIA! |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:18:03 GMT
enigma wrote: I'm looking for a card that can handle 3D decently (flight sims and most recent kids games like Harry Potter are the most intensive it will be used for), but also would like to do video editing. Is there one that can do both well? If not, is an alternative to put one in the AGP slot and another in the PCI slot? TIA! Just about any random video board works fine for video editing--it's simply not all that demanding. For flight sims do you mean the latest version of Microsoft Flight Simulator and the like? If so, an ATI Radeon 9500 or higher or an nvidia GeforceFX 5700, 5900, or 5950 will do fine for you. If you're talking about older versions of Microsoft Flight Simulator and other games of that vintage and you're on a budget then a Geforce Ti4200 would be a good bet. If you need analog video capture one of the ATI All-in-wonder boards will work but you'd do better to go with a separate capture board--Matrox has several of those but they are intended for the professional market and they are not cheap. If possible, use a digital source and capture via Firewire. -- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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If you can swing the expense, the Matrox Parhelia series is EXCELLENT for 2D
& video editing, and had good 3D performance (though not as fast as the newer ATi's or nVidia on 3D cards). MUCH more stable than the ATi products, and much "cleaner" than the nVidia products from my experience. "enigma" wrote in message ... I'm looking for a card that can handle 3D decently (flight sims and most recent kids games like Harry Potter are the most intensive it will be used for), but also would like to do video editing. Is there one that can do both well? If not, is an alternative to put one in the AGP slot and another in the PCI slot? TIA! |
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3D performance on the Parhelia series and other current Matrox
products is pathetic compared to current products from ATI and Nvidia. Matrox is three generations behind in that technology. For video editing, forget about an all-in-one video card solution (most are exercises in compromise) and get a separate video capture card. E.g. Canopus' ADVC-100 is very highly regarded and not expensive. 2D image quality isn't an issue among the three manufacturers, they all use comparable RAMDACs and output filters. The Parhelia will provide slightly better 2D output at resolutions above 1600x1200, otherwise you won't see any difference between controllers from the three major manufacturers. Rick "KJ" wrote in message ... If you can swing the expense, the Matrox Parhelia series is EXCELLENT for 2D & video editing, and had good 3D performance (though not as fast as the newer ATi's or nVidia on 3D cards). MUCH more stable than the ATi products, and much "cleaner" than the nVidia products from my experience. "enigma" wrote in message ... I'm looking for a card that can handle 3D decently (flight sims and most recent kids games like Harry Potter are the most intensive it will be used for), but also would like to do video editing. Is there one that can do both well? If not, is an alternative to put one in the AGP slot and another in the PCI slot? TIA! |
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I had a Matrox G400
then went to a Voodoo 5 tried two different ATI 9100s then a Nvidia 5200 went back to a Sapphire ATI 9100 128MB 2D is at least 90% as good as a Matrox Hopefully I will get an ATI 9600 Pro for Christmas So go 9100 for about $75 or ATI 9600SE for about $85 (speed crippled with 64 bit memory pathway, 200mhz DDR) or ATI 9600 Pro $140 (full 128 bit memory pathway that runs faster at 300mhz) "enigma" wrote in message ... I'm looking for a card that can handle 3D decently (flight sims and most recent kids games like Harry Potter are the most intensive it will be used for), but also would like to do video editing. Is there one that can do both well? If not, is an alternative to put one in the AGP slot and another in the PCI slot? TIA! |
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Rick wrote:
2D image quality isn't an issue among the three manufacturers, they all use comparable RAMDACs and output filters. The Parhelia will provide slightly better 2D output at resolutions above 1600x1200, otherwise you won't see any difference between controllers from the three major manufacturers. I've heard this, and also that with DVI there is no difference whatsoever. But what about multi-monitor support? Are Matrox still the best for this or have the other manufacturers caught up? I want to use two identical 17" TFT screens at 1280x1024. Asus have a nVidia 5600 board with dual-DVI so it's a choice between that and the Matrox P650. Paul |
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Paul Smith wrote:
I've heard this, and also that with DVI there is no difference whatsoever. But what about multi-monitor support? Are Matrox still the best for this or have the other manufacturers caught up? I want to use two identical 17" TFT screens at 1280x1024. Asus have a nVidia 5600 board with dual-DVI so it's a choice between that and the Matrox P650. The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is that the V9560 VideoSuite (which I assume you're talking about) has only one RAMDAC, while some other dual-DVI-I cards like the Parhelia has two. Also, it's uncertain whether dual DVI-I can be used at the same time as the other features like TV out -- with a single RAMDAC, that's doubtful. Other than that, there's big differences in the dual-head support programs for offerings from different manufacturers. Matrox is pretty good, as multi-monitor support is a prime market for them, while nVidia really has multi-head as a tertiary market at most. That said, with two identical monitors running digital, there should be less problems overall anyhow. You may not get a "copy" mode (show the same on both monitors), and if the monitors differ slightly in manufacturing, you may not be able to adjust individual ICC profiles for color/brightness correction. Otherwise, don't worry too much about the brand in this case. Regards, -- *Art |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:55:53 -0800, "Rick" wrote:
3D performance on the Parhelia series and other current Matrox products is pathetic compared to current products from ATI and Nvidia. Matrox is three generations behind in that technology. For video editing, forget about an all-in-one video card solution (most are exercises in compromise) and get a separate video capture card. E.g. Canopus' ADVC-100 is very highly regarded and not expensive. What's the advantage of your recommended Canopus, or other such, over an AIW? Also, I'm planning on getting a digital camcorder soon, so was thinking of simply using that as a passthrough for my analog transfers. Do the dedicated cards do anything I can't with that or the AIW? Thanks again for all the help. 2D image quality isn't an issue among the three manufacturers, they all use comparable RAMDACs and output filters. The Parhelia will provide slightly better 2D output at resolutions above 1600x1200, otherwise you won't see any difference between controllers from the three major manufacturers. Rick "KJ" wrote in message ... If you can swing the expense, the Matrox Parhelia series is EXCELLENT for 2D & video editing, and had good 3D performance (though not as fast as the newer ATi's or nVidia on 3D cards). MUCH more stable than the ATi products, and much "cleaner" than the nVidia products from my experience. "enigma" wrote in message ... I'm looking for a card that can handle 3D decently (flight sims and most recent kids games like Harry Potter are the most intensive it will be used for), but also would like to do video editing. Is there one that can do both well? If not, is an alternative to put one in the AGP slot and another in the PCI slot? TIA! |
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"enigma" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:55:53 -0800, "Rick" wrote: 3D performance on the Parhelia series and other current Matrox products is pathetic compared to current products from ATI and Nvidia. Matrox is three generations behind in that technology. For video editing, forget about an all-in-one video card solution (most are exercises in compromise) and get a separate video capture card. E.g. Canopus' ADVC-100 is very highly regarded and not expensive. What's the advantage of your recommended Canopus, or other such, over an AIW? Also, I'm planning on getting a digital camcorder soon, so was thinking of simply using that as a passthrough for my analog transfers. Do the dedicated cards do anything I can't with that or the AIW? Thanks again for all the help. It's not so much what the two solutions can do, it's how well they do them. A dedicated capture card will give you better and far more flexible video, better quality audio (all-in-one video card solutions use your computer's audio card, which can be a cause of background noise and sync problems) and can be used with a wide variety of editing software (Vegas, Sonic, Premiere etc), instead of being limited to always inferior software which is bundled with all-in-one video cards. But probably the biggest advantage to a dedicated capture card is CPU usage -- the Canopus does the bulk of its processing onboard, while all-in-one video cards use the system's CPU (don't count on doing much else with your system while capturing, without dropping lots of frames). Rick |
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I had and 8500 AIW prior to my current Parhelia. I tell you I am MUCH
happier having ditched the AIW (though the remote was cool) in place of a Matrox solution. Just my personal experience. "Rick" wrote in message ... "enigma" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:55:53 -0800, "Rick" wrote: 3D performance on the Parhelia series and other current Matrox products is pathetic compared to current products from ATI and Nvidia. Matrox is three generations behind in that technology. For video editing, forget about an all-in-one video card solution (most are exercises in compromise) and get a separate video capture card. E.g. Canopus' ADVC-100 is very highly regarded and not expensive. What's the advantage of your recommended Canopus, or other such, over an AIW? Also, I'm planning on getting a digital camcorder soon, so was thinking of simply using that as a passthrough for my analog transfers. Do the dedicated cards do anything I can't with that or the AIW? Thanks again for all the help. It's not so much what the two solutions can do, it's how well they do them. A dedicated capture card will give you better and far more flexible video, better quality audio (all-in-one video card solutions use your computer's audio card, which can be a cause of background noise and sync problems) and can be used with a wide variety of editing software (Vegas, Sonic, Premiere etc), instead of being limited to always inferior software which is bundled with all-in-one video cards. But probably the biggest advantage to a dedicated capture card is CPU usage -- the Canopus does the bulk of its processing onboard, while all-in-one video cards use the system's CPU (don't count on doing much else with your system while capturing, without dropping lots of frames). Rick |
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