Watercooling newsgroup ?

The point is not so much to avoid POSTING the previous messages but to avoid
forcing the previous material on every reader. Chopping up a post is even
worse - it is more difficult to tell if there is any new material, so the
reader does not even have the CHOICE of scrolling past. Times change; once
the internet was siphoned through a 2400 bits/second straw and bandwidth was
at a premium; it made sense to force the user to take on a few tasks to
speed communitcation. Now bandwidth is much greater, and is much cheaper
than the user's time, so the method of posting should accomodate the user,
not the hardware or software. After all, don't you believe computers and
software should be designed for the user and not for the computer engineer?

Phil Weldon,

"Arthur Hagen" wrote in message
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"Phil Weldon" wrote in message
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Second, for a technical newsgroup top posting is much more efficient -
you can go directly to the NEW information without scrolling through
the prior posts. This is especially helpful because in many cases
the prior post will be relatively lengthy while the reply will be
relatively short.

Only if the poster is too lazy to chop away the irrelevant parts. This
kind
of laziness usually manifests in top posters, who quote EVERYTHING
(including signatures and blank lines at the bottom).

If you only want to post the new stuff, then DON'T QUOTE AT ALL -- chop
off
that bottom quote in a top post that only serves the purpose of eating up
disk space, bandwidth and reduce retention -- after all, if you want the
full text of the previous post, you simply go to the previous post. It's
listed in the header of the reply post, and most newsreader will give you
easy access to it.

No regards,
--
*Art

Phil Weldon wrote:
The point is not so much to avoid POSTING the previous messages but to avoid
forcing the previous material on every reader. Chopping up a post is even
worse - it is more difficult to tell if there is any new material, so the
reader does not even have the CHOICE of scrolling past. Times change; once
the internet was siphoned through a 2400 bits/second straw and bandwidth was
at a premium; it made sense to force the user to take on a few tasks to
speed communitcation. Now bandwidth is much greater, and is much cheaper
than the user's time, so the method of posting should accomodate the user,
not the hardware or software. After all, don't you believe computers and
software should be designed for the user and not for the computer engineer?

Phil Weldon,

The point is that people logically expect, and read, 'from statement to reply'
so putting the reply above what's replied to is out of sequence.

If the original is unnecessary to the reply then it can, and should, be snipped
for the sake of clarity. If it's useful for context then it should be in the
proper logical order: I.E. before the reply. Complex questions and replies are
more logical if the answer is inserted at the point where the specific question
being replied to took place.

To wit:

No

Does this flow properly?

3

How many geese in a gaggle? What is the first positive prime number? What is a
baker's dozen?

How about accoustic cooling? This method likey has more promise for CPU
cooling than what we have loosely been calling 'water cooling' when what we
are really doing is using a fluid (water) to transport heat by forced
convection from a CPU to a radiator and fan. A suitable heatpipe and
convective air heat transport is much simpler that using a water loop -
unfortunately these heat pipes are less common and not easy (or safe) to
tinker with.

Or direct fluid impingment on the silicon die?

Or fluid channels and pumps etched into the silicon die?

Or semiconductors with a better performance than doped tellurium/bismuth?

Phil Weldon,


"Thomas Andersson" wrote in message
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Exactly, watercooling has passed the fad phase and is maturing, finding
new
uses and becoming available to a bigger public....
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Phil Weldon wrote:

Exactly, watercooling has passed the fad phase and is maturing,
finding new uses and becoming available to a bigger public....

How about accoustic cooling? This method likey has more promise for
CPU cooling than what we have loosely been calling 'water cooling'
when what we are really doing is using a fluid (water) to transport
heat by forced convection from a CPU to a radiator and fan. A
suitable heatpipe and convective air heat transport is much simpler
that using a water loop - unfortunately these heat pipes are less
common and not easy (or safe) to tinker with.

Or direct fluid impingment on the silicon die?

Or fluid channels and pumps etched into the silicon die?

Or semiconductors with a better performance than doped
tellurium/bismuth?


Eh? What does these have to do with the proposed newsgroup? What are you
trying to say?

best thing to do is start it up and see how it goes.


Neil


"Thomas Andersson" wrote in message
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David Maynard wrote:

Watercooling? Watercooling is passe' and the latest wizmo gizmo is
refigeration cooling. I kid you not.

Refrigeration cooling has been around for quite a while but,
nevertheless, I'm not sure he intended the group's focus to be
'latest fad' cooling anyway.

Exactly, watercooling ahve passed the fad phase and is maturing, finding
new
uses and becoming available to a bigger public. Afordable, easy to use,
watercooling solutions are now becoming available to the greater mass for
a
faster or a quieter computer.
I've gotten some nice reponses in private emails as well as promises of
supporta dn promotion of the newsgroup IF created. But as Phil pointed out
there's the question of how viable a new separate newsgroup is volumevise.
I
haven't seen much open support (ok, not resistance either) from the
newsgroups it relates to yet so I'm holding my desission for now as to
wether I should go through with the ng creation.

So, to you who read this and frequent these newsgroups, would YOU read and
post to a dedicated watercooling newsgroup, would you be against a split
for
any reason?

Best Wishes
Thomas

Neil wrote:

best thing to do is start it up and see how it goes.

I kinda agree with the people in alt.config about that, why start it up if
it will be empty. Why cause a split and then have the group die (not that I
think it will). Before I go forth and actually create it I want to hear more
from the people that will (hopefully) actually use it...

Best Wishes
Thomas

hi

i can use it, but a empty ng is pointless....
we(you) need a ng + a working forum somewhere....

coco

"Thomas Andersson" skrev i meddelandet
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Neil wrote:

best thing to do is start it up and see how it goes.

I kinda agree with the people in alt.config about that, why start it up if
it will be empty. Why cause a split and then have the group die (not that
I
think it will). Before I go forth and actually create it I want to hear
more
from the people that will (hopefully) actually use it...

Best Wishes
Thomas

'CoCo' wrote "...i can use it, but a empty ng is pointless.... we(you) need
a ng+ a working forum somewhere..."

Now that is a comment on point - a moderated newsgroup would be useful, and
likely grow, if only because noise is reduced. But then who decides what is
signal and what qualifies as noise?

Phil Weldon,

"CoCo" wrote in message
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hi

i can use it, but a empty ng is pointless....
we(you) need a ng + a working forum somewhere....

coco

Hmmm .... we are talking about the pros and cons of top posting. Seems
a little over the top to be citing "Control" and "Laws" ....

Previous posters were merely making suggestions on how to make life a
bit easier and with a little less hassle. I am sure no one is trying
to 'control' you...

Chill out.... dude

best wishes

Adolf ;o)


On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:06:52 -0400, "jaf" wrote:

No, I'm far from an idiot. That is the point.

Here is the long explanation.

Why are four year olds prone to temper tantrums?
Control.
All their lives they have been controlled by someone else.
As they only learn what they see and hear, when they get to the age of
comprehension, they perceive they are suppose to control other people.
Why? Because that is what they perceive every one else is doing.

Netiquette:
Created by a bunch of people still believing their function in life is to
control other people.
They have gone so far as to create a word from nothing to justify their
attempts to control, "Netiquette".
But these are suggested rules, NOT laws.
Even if they were laws, how can they be enforceable in an unregulated, open
to everyone, Internet or Usenet that crosses international borders in the
blink of an eye.

How would you enforce the laws?
Internet cops?
Where, and under what jurisdiction would you prosecute them?
What would be the penalty?
You going to issue them badges?
Give them arrest and warrant power?
Issue them guns to back up their authority?

Dateline: Rio
Jose Whatshisname was arrested during a raid by The International Internet
Police for top posting in Usenet.
Mr. Whatshisname will be extradited to Dallas Texas in the USA, the location
of the Usenet Server.
The crime is punishable by a possible fine of up to $100 dollars, six months
in jail and a sever spanking.

Now what was the transportation cost of flying The International Internet
Police SWAT team to Rio?
Flying them back, with the prisoner? Does the punishment fit the crime?

I am a human being endowed by my creator with free will.
No one will control me. That is my choice, derived by the comprehension
abilities given to me by my creator.
I will obey societies laws when I believe those laws to be just, rational,
and necessary for the common good.

I will not be controlled by a bunch of whiners that have nothing better to
do than criticize for the sake of criticism, rules for the sake of rules,
laws for the sake of laws.
Whiners that whine about "fix you system clock", "you future posted", "you
multi posted", "you cross posted", whaa, whaa, whaa.

Immature adults still acting like four year olds, trying to control everyone
else.

Until you have the laws, authority and jurisdiction. And a gun to back them
up!
All I can say is...

It's not your function in this Universe to control me.
****-off.

"Thomas Andersson" wrote in message
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David Maynard wrote:


So, to you who read this and frequent these newsgroups, would YOU read and
post to a dedicated watercooling newsgroup?
Best Wishes
Thomas

Yes.

Chris