AMD introduces 3.2GHz Athlon 64 X2 6400+

Do I download "memtest" somewhere? Same question for "cdromm".
I shall await your answer before proceeding.
Thanks in advance


"Wes Newell" wrote in message
news:df6Aj.24336$e_.6792@trnddc03...
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:45:20 -0500, Ritter 197 wrote:

My computer is an AMD 2.20 gigahertz Athlon 64X2 Dual core. The MB is an
ASUSTek NODUSM3 1.05, bus Clock 199 megahertz, BIOS is Phoenix Tech LTD
3.06 07/14/2006

I am using WindowsXP.

Does this help?

"Peter van der Goes" wrote in message
...
"Ritter 197" wrote in message
. ..
How do I overclock an AMD CPU?

Put in a memtest boot floppy or cdromm before making any changes. This
will keep from screwing up your HDD if when you screw up.
In the bios.
1. Lower base ram bus speed 1 level (33MHz real speed).
2. Lower HT bus speed 1 level (from 5x to 4x).
3. Raise vcore .1v from default.
4. Raise system bus speed from 200MHz to 233MHz.

Should boot at 11x233.33MHz, about 2567MHz.

Now that's a very very simple overclock. And it doesn't touch on the
benefits and hazards of doing it. This small OC shouldn't cause any
problems, but you never know til you start overclocking a system. If it
doesn't boot, you'll probably have to clear cmos, boot and try changing
some settings. It would be wise to undersatnd what these settings are and
what they do before you get in over your head. There's tons of good (and
bad) info on overclocking on the web.

1. Sets the base ram bus lower because raisng the system clock will also
raises other clocks.
2. Same as above for the HT bus.
3. Generally more vcore for higher cpu speeds. Will vary. May not even
need to raise it. .1v won't hurt it.
4. Pretty self explanatory.

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Ritter 197 wrote:
Thanks a lot for detailed feedback. I will print it out and try to
follow your recommendations.

Thanks again

On thing I forgot, that Wes caught, was setting the Hypertransport
bus speed. Normally, it might be something like 5x200, and
not to surpass 1000. If you are bumping the CPU input clock on
an Athlon board, then you'd want to drop the multiplier. For
example 4x220 would be less than 1000, so a setting of 4
for the multiplier, gives room up to 250MHz for your CPU
clock setting.

The HT bus setting affects I/O rates, such as PCI Express
transfers to memory, but only really becomes noticeable,
if you drop it a lot. For example, at 1x200, you'd notice
your 3DMark was off quite a bit. The difference between
5x200 and 4x220 would probably not be a big deal.

Paul

Thanks again, but I am running into a wall, in that I cannot access the
BIOS.
I have been "googling" for HP Pavilion a1610n BIOS and all responses say to
hold down the F1 key during startup. That gets me to hard drives, various
other tabs (that I was always familiar with before) but never to BIOS. So I
do not know how at this time to set it to "manual" as suggested nor can I
see whether it is at this automatic.

I found the MEMTEST and downloaded it and burned it to a DVD. When I start
up with it it seems to run for a very long time tests and the progress is
very slow. What I am actually to do with it?

"Paul" wrote in message ...
Ritter 197 wrote:
Thanks a lot for detailed feedback. I will print it out and try to follow
your recommendations.

Thanks again

On thing I forgot, that Wes caught, was setting the Hypertransport
bus speed. Normally, it might be something like 5x200, and
not to surpass 1000. If you are bumping the CPU input clock on
an Athlon board, then you'd want to drop the multiplier. For
example 4x220 would be less than 1000, so a setting of 4
for the multiplier, gives room up to 250MHz for your CPU
clock setting.

The HT bus setting affects I/O rates, such as PCI Express
transfers to memory, but only really becomes noticeable,
if you drop it a lot. For example, at 1x200, you'd notice
your 3DMark was off quite a bit. The difference between
5x200 and 4x220 would probably not be a big deal.

Paul

Oh, I forgot to mention that I have an ASUSTek NODUSM3 1.05 Motherboard.
The CPU is AMD 2.20 gigahertz Athlon 64 X2 Dual core, 256 kilobyte L1, 1024
kilobyte L2.

"Paul" wrote in message ...
Ritter 197 wrote:
Thanks a lot for detailed feedback. I will print it out and try to follow
your recommendations.

Thanks again

On thing I forgot, that Wes caught, was setting the Hypertransport
bus speed. Normally, it might be something like 5x200, and
not to surpass 1000. If you are bumping the CPU input clock on
an Athlon board, then you'd want to drop the multiplier. For
example 4x220 would be less than 1000, so a setting of 4
for the multiplier, gives room up to 250MHz for your CPU
clock setting.

The HT bus setting affects I/O rates, such as PCI Express
transfers to memory, but only really becomes noticeable,
if you drop it a lot. For example, at 1x200, you'd notice
your 3DMark was off quite a bit. The difference between
5x200 and 4x220 would probably not be a big deal.

Paul

Ritter 197 wrote:
Thanks again, but I am running into a wall, in that I cannot access the
BIOS.
I have been "googling" for HP Pavilion a1610n BIOS and all responses say
to hold down the F1 key during startup. That gets me to hard drives,
various other tabs (that I was always familiar with before) but never to
BIOS. So I do not know how at this time to set it to "manual" as
suggested nor can I see whether it is at this automatic.

I found the MEMTEST and downloaded it and burned it to a DVD. When I
start up with it it seems to run for a very long time tests and the
progress is very slow. What I am actually to do with it?


Hmmm. I guess I should have asked more questions :-)

OK, so you've got an OEM Asus board, not a retail one. HP provides
the support.

According to this page, pressing F1 is supposed to be putting you
in the BIOS setup. You could try Del instead, because that is
what my Asus board uses.

Motherboard
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/g...eg_R1002_USEN#

A1610N computer
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...reg_R1002_USEN

It is a Media Center, and at least for one other of those (Intel
processor), it seemed to be a pretty "closed" box. I hope that is
not the case.

You can try your hand at overclocking in Windows. The problem there
is, your chipset is 6150LE, which is a generation after Clockgen
added support for a couple Nvidia chips. The Nvidia chips appear
to do clock synthesis inside the chipset, and for the author of
Clockgen, it meant only having to support at the chipset level,
and not have to custom program every motherboard. So a whole bunch
of people gained the ability to overclock some of those closed
OEM motherboards. The author has withdrawn Clockgen from his
download page, and I'm not sure if there is a problem with the
program or not. I've used Clockgen with my current motherboard
(using the custom support for the clock generator chip on my
motherboard, not Nvidia generic support), and it was a fine program
and did exactly what it was supposed to. (Note - archive.org is
a huge and slow web site, with a lot of simultaneous requests
going to it. You can prepare a meal for yourself, while it loads.)

http://web.archive.org/web/200705021...m/clockgen.php

This is the Nvidia chipset support listed on that archived copy.

* nForce2, nForce3, nForce4, nForce4 SLI Intel Edition clock generators.
* Geforce 6100/6150 clock generator.
* nForce 590 clock generator.

6150LE comes after 6150, and I would hope they are quite similar.
But no guarantees.

When Wes recommended "memtest", the purpose is to give you something
to boot with, to prove the overclock is stable. If you overclock
too far, and boot a Windows boot disk, the registry or other
files can get corrupted. You might never get to boot your boot
drive again, if that happens. If you check the overclocker
sites, there are all sorts of tales of woe like that. (I.e. Stupid
guys that boot Windows drives, filled with files they haven't
backed up, and then they lose the disk.)

What I use for stability testing, is Knoppix or Ubuntu Linux LiveCDs.
You get to boot from a CD, and you can even leave all your hard
drives disconnected. If the OS crashes, there is nothing to
corrupt :-) And you can get a copy of Prime95 from mersenne.org,
to do stress testing while in Linux. Prime95 is available in
both Linux and Windows versions.

But if you're not going to get into the BIOS, or it turns out
your BIOS is "feature free", then you'll be in Windows anyway.
Just don't push the clock too fast.

Assuming you can get Clockgen to work, download this. This is
a stress test. If you run this, while using Clockgen, you'll be
able to detect when you're getting "close" to the limit. Prime95
stops on the first error it detects. On an unstable machine, it
errors in 10 seconds or less. On a stable machine, you should be
able to run this for hours. This is a Windows version, and is
multicore aware.

http://www.mersenne.org/gimps/p95v255a.zip

Start the program. When it asks to "Join GIMPS", say No. The
custom dialog will pop up. Adjust the quantity of memory down
a bit, if you want a bit of spare memory for some other programs
to run. On my 1GB machine, the program will test around 760MB of
memory or so. You could turn it down to 500MB in a case like
that, and leave 260MB for your newsreader etc.

Then, you can increase Clockgen a bit at a time, and watch
Prime95. Stop before you go too far.

That should give you something to work with. I don't know
if your BIOS is going to be any fun or not.

By not having the BIOS at your disposal, your overclock will
be more modest. Some of the settings you're supposed to turn
down, won't be accessible. Still, give it a shot, and see
how it works out.

Paul

That is quite a great response and again I will print it out to digest it
all and make no mistakes.
I bought the computer from COMP USA before they went under and it was a true
HP computer in its HP carton. So I cannot imagine that HP would use an OEM
MB.

Like I said in another reply, BELARC says it is a ASUSTek NODUSM3 1.05 , bus
clock 199 megahertz, BIOS is Phoenix Tech Ltd 3.06 7/14/2006.


"Paul" wrote in message ...
Ritter 197 wrote:
Thanks again, but I am running into a wall, in that I cannot access the
BIOS.
I have been "googling" for HP Pavilion a1610n BIOS and all responses say
to hold down the F1 key during startup. That gets me to hard drives,
various other tabs (that I was always familiar with before) but never to
BIOS. So I do not know how at this time to set it to "manual" as
suggested nor can I see whether it is at this automatic.

I found the MEMTEST and downloaded it and burned it to a DVD. When I
start up with it it seems to run for a very long time tests and the
progress is very slow. What I am actually to do with it?


Hmmm. I guess I should have asked more questions :-)

OK, so you've got an OEM Asus board, not a retail one. HP provides
the support.

According to this page, pressing F1 is supposed to be putting you
in the BIOS setup. You could try Del instead, because that is
what my Asus board uses.

Motherboard
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/g...eg_R1002_USEN#

A1610N computer
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...reg_R1002_USEN

It is a Media Center, and at least for one other of those (Intel
processor), it seemed to be a pretty "closed" box. I hope that is
not the case.

You can try your hand at overclocking in Windows. The problem there
is, your chipset is 6150LE, which is a generation after Clockgen
added support for a couple Nvidia chips. The Nvidia chips appear
to do clock synthesis inside the chipset, and for the author of
Clockgen, it meant only having to support at the chipset level,
and not have to custom program every motherboard. So a whole bunch
of people gained the ability to overclock some of those closed
OEM motherboards. The author has withdrawn Clockgen from his
download page, and I'm not sure if there is a problem with the
program or not. I've used Clockgen with my current motherboard
(using the custom support for the clock generator chip on my
motherboard, not Nvidia generic support), and it was a fine program
and did exactly what it was supposed to. (Note - archive.org is
a huge and slow web site, with a lot of simultaneous requests
going to it. You can prepare a meal for yourself, while it loads.)

http://web.archive.org/web/200705021...m/clockgen.php

This is the Nvidia chipset support listed on that archived copy.

* nForce2, nForce3, nForce4, nForce4 SLI Intel Edition clock
generators.
* Geforce 6100/6150 clock generator.
* nForce 590 clock generator.

6150LE comes after 6150, and I would hope they are quite similar.
But no guarantees.

When Wes recommended "memtest", the purpose is to give you something
to boot with, to prove the overclock is stable. If you overclock
too far, and boot a Windows boot disk, the registry or other
files can get corrupted. You might never get to boot your boot
drive again, if that happens. If you check the overclocker
sites, there are all sorts of tales of woe like that. (I.e. Stupid
guys that boot Windows drives, filled with files they haven't
backed up, and then they lose the disk.)

What I use for stability testing, is Knoppix or Ubuntu Linux LiveCDs.
You get to boot from a CD, and you can even leave all your hard
drives disconnected. If the OS crashes, there is nothing to
corrupt :-) And you can get a copy of Prime95 from mersenne.org,
to do stress testing while in Linux. Prime95 is available in
both Linux and Windows versions.

But if you're not going to get into the BIOS, or it turns out
your BIOS is "feature free", then you'll be in Windows anyway.
Just don't push the clock too fast.

Assuming you can get Clockgen to work, download this. This is
a stress test. If you run this, while using Clockgen, you'll be
able to detect when you're getting "close" to the limit. Prime95
stops on the first error it detects. On an unstable machine, it
errors in 10 seconds or less. On a stable machine, you should be
able to run this for hours. This is a Windows version, and is
multicore aware.

http://www.mersenne.org/gimps/p95v255a.zip

Start the program. When it asks to "Join GIMPS", say No. The
custom dialog will pop up. Adjust the quantity of memory down
a bit, if you want a bit of spare memory for some other programs
to run. On my 1GB machine, the program will test around 760MB of
memory or so. You could turn it down to 500MB in a case like
that, and leave 260MB for your newsreader etc.

Then, you can increase Clockgen a bit at a time, and watch
Prime95. Stop before you go too far.

That should give you something to work with. I don't know
if your BIOS is going to be any fun or not.

By not having the BIOS at your disposal, your overclock will
be more modest. Some of the settings you're supposed to turn
down, won't be accessible. Still, give it a shot, and see
how it works out.

Paul

Paul I have downloaded the ClockGen and the other piece 95 etc.
On the ClockGen I see:
CPU 2216.1, FSB 201.7, RAM 246.2, PCIE 100.0, PCI 33.3

It apparently lets me get into the BIOS this way (correct ?) since I can
change the various speeds. But do you have a conservative suggestion to a
newbie at this time (but not computer illiterate) what settings I should
give a try?

Thanks for watching and your response!


"Paul" wrote in message ...
Ritter 197 wrote:
Thanks again, but I am running into a wall, in that I cannot access the
BIOS.
I have been "googling" for HP Pavilion a1610n BIOS and all responses say
to hold down the F1 key during startup. That gets me to hard drives,
various other tabs (that I was always familiar with before) but never to
BIOS. So I do not know how at this time to set it to "manual" as
suggested nor can I see whether it is at this automatic.

I found the MEMTEST and downloaded it and burned it to a DVD. When I
start up with it it seems to run for a very long time tests and the
progress is very slow. What I am actually to do with it?


Hmmm. I guess I should have asked more questions :-)

OK, so you've got an OEM Asus board, not a retail one. HP provides
the support.

According to this page, pressing F1 is supposed to be putting you
in the BIOS setup. You could try Del instead, because that is
what my Asus board uses.

Motherboard
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/g...eg_R1002_USEN#

A1610N computer
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...reg_R1002_USEN

It is a Media Center, and at least for one other of those (Intel
processor), it seemed to be a pretty "closed" box. I hope that is
not the case.

You can try your hand at overclocking in Windows. The problem there
is, your chipset is 6150LE, which is a generation after Clockgen
added support for a couple Nvidia chips. The Nvidia chips appear
to do clock synthesis inside the chipset, and for the author of
Clockgen, it meant only having to support at the chipset level,
and not have to custom program every motherboard. So a whole bunch
of people gained the ability to overclock some of those closed
OEM motherboards. The author has withdrawn Clockgen from his
download page, and I'm not sure if there is a problem with the
program or not. I've used Clockgen with my current motherboard
(using the custom support for the clock generator chip on my
motherboard, not Nvidia generic support), and it was a fine program
and did exactly what it was supposed to. (Note - archive.org is
a huge and slow web site, with a lot of simultaneous requests
going to it. You can prepare a meal for yourself, while it loads.)

http://web.archive.org/web/200705021...m/clockgen.php

This is the Nvidia chipset support listed on that archived copy.

* nForce2, nForce3, nForce4, nForce4 SLI Intel Edition clock
generators.
* Geforce 6100/6150 clock generator.
* nForce 590 clock generator.

6150LE comes after 6150, and I would hope they are quite similar.
But no guarantees.

When Wes recommended "memtest", the purpose is to give you something
to boot with, to prove the overclock is stable. If you overclock
too far, and boot a Windows boot disk, the registry or other
files can get corrupted. You might never get to boot your boot
drive again, if that happens. If you check the overclocker
sites, there are all sorts of tales of woe like that. (I.e. Stupid
guys that boot Windows drives, filled with files they haven't
backed up, and then they lose the disk.)

What I use for stability testing, is Knoppix or Ubuntu Linux LiveCDs.
You get to boot from a CD, and you can even leave all your hard
drives disconnected. If the OS crashes, there is nothing to
corrupt :-) And you can get a copy of Prime95 from mersenne.org,
to do stress testing while in Linux. Prime95 is available in
both Linux and Windows versions.

But if you're not going to get into the BIOS, or it turns out
your BIOS is "feature free", then you'll be in Windows anyway.
Just don't push the clock too fast.

Assuming you can get Clockgen to work, download this. This is
a stress test. If you run this, while using Clockgen, you'll be
able to detect when you're getting "close" to the limit. Prime95
stops on the first error it detects. On an unstable machine, it
errors in 10 seconds or less. On a stable machine, you should be
able to run this for hours. This is a Windows version, and is
multicore aware.

http://www.mersenne.org/gimps/p95v255a.zip

Start the program. When it asks to "Join GIMPS", say No. The
custom dialog will pop up. Adjust the quantity of memory down
a bit, if you want a bit of spare memory for some other programs
to run. On my 1GB machine, the program will test around 760MB of
memory or so. You could turn it down to 500MB in a case like
that, and leave 260MB for your newsreader etc.

Then, you can increase Clockgen a bit at a time, and watch
Prime95. Stop before you go too far.

That should give you something to work with. I don't know
if your BIOS is going to be any fun or not.

By not having the BIOS at your disposal, your overclock will
be more modest. Some of the settings you're supposed to turn
down, won't be accessible. Still, give it a shot, and see
how it works out.

Paul

Ritter 197 wrote:
Paul I have downloaded the ClockGen and the other piece 95 etc.
On the ClockGen I see:
CPU 2216.1, FSB 201.7, RAM 246.2, PCIE 100.0, PCI 33.3

It apparently lets me get into the BIOS this way (correct ?) since I can
change the various speeds. But do you have a conservative suggestion to
a newbie at this time (but not computer illiterate) what settings I
should give a try?

Thanks for watching and your response!


"FSB" is your CPU input clock. 200MHz would be the nominal speed.
You'd follow the same recipe I gave before.

1) Start up Clockgen, but don't adjust anything yet.
2) Fire up Prime95. Start it running. With no overclock, it should
not be reporting errors. Prime95 will throw an error, when
you've overclocked too far.
3) Now, use Clockgen. Go in 5MHz steps. Nominal is 200MHz, and
then you'd try 205MHz, 210MHz and so on. Wait 10 minutes
between steps. That is to give time for Prime95 to find an
error. If you get an error, dial down one step. Then,
start Prime95 again, and run it for at least 4 hours
error free. If it is clean, then that speed may be pretty close
to your new overclock speed. Running a game like Crysis, is
another test, and you may find the clock has to be dropped
another 5MHz, to keep Crysis running. (Insert the name of
your favorite 3D game there...)

The reason for taking small steps, is to overclock your system
without crashing it.

The PCIE and PCI should be locked, and as you dial up "FSB", they
shouldn't move. And as long as they don't move, then they won't upset
their respective subsystems.

I don't know how the SATA ports are clocked on your motherboard.
On some motherboards, when you overclock, the SATA clock goes up
as well. And that can lead to problems with the disks. On
one motherboard, of the four SATA ports, two were affected and
two were OK. But you cannot find that kind of information just
anywhere.

If you have no choice, but to go the Windows route to try
this, then make a complete backup copy of your Windows disk.
Then, if something happens to your hard drive, you have
a fallback plan, and a way to restore your disk.

Paul

On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:47:24 -0500, Ritter 197 wrote:

Do I download "memtest" somewhere? Same question for "cdromm". I shall
await your answer before proceeding. Thanks in advance

You can download memtest86, cdromm was a typo just maening a boot cdrom
disc with memtest on it. There's also a boot floppy version of memtest if
you prefer. Some Linux distros also have memtest as an option when you
boot them.

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Good morning, at least here on the East coast of the US!
I cannot get the "95" etc to work this morning. It always starts up and then
says it encountered an error and needs to shut down. "Debug" and option does
apparently nothing because it does the same the next time.

I tried downloading it again and suddenly when extracting the files it wants
a password (which it never asked before and therefore is not set up)

I guess I am stuck for some reason at this point.

Do you think Removing the application and trying to download then might be
an option?

"Paul" wrote in message ...
Ritter 197 wrote:
Paul I have downloaded the ClockGen and the other piece 95 etc.
On the ClockGen I see:
CPU 2216.1, FSB 201.7, RAM 246.2, PCIE 100.0, PCI 33.3

It apparently lets me get into the BIOS this way (correct ?) since I can
change the various speeds. But do you have a conservative suggestion to a
newbie at this time (but not computer illiterate) what settings I should
give a try?

Thanks for watching and your response!


"FSB" is your CPU input clock. 200MHz would be the nominal speed.
You'd follow the same recipe I gave before.

1) Start up Clockgen, but don't adjust anything yet.
2) Fire up Prime95. Start it running. With no overclock, it should
not be reporting errors. Prime95 will throw an error, when
you've overclocked too far.
3) Now, use Clockgen. Go in 5MHz steps. Nominal is 200MHz, and
then you'd try 205MHz, 210MHz and so on. Wait 10 minutes
between steps. That is to give time for Prime95 to find an
error. If you get an error, dial down one step. Then,
start Prime95 again, and run it for at least 4 hours
error free. If it is clean, then that speed may be pretty close
to your new overclock speed. Running a game like Crysis, is
another test, and you may find the clock has to be dropped
another 5MHz, to keep Crysis running. (Insert the name of
your favorite 3D game there...)

The reason for taking small steps, is to overclock your system
without crashing it.

The PCIE and PCI should be locked, and as you dial up "FSB", they
shouldn't move. And as long as they don't move, then they won't upset
their respective subsystems.

I don't know how the SATA ports are clocked on your motherboard.
On some motherboards, when you overclock, the SATA clock goes up
as well. And that can lead to problems with the disks. On
one motherboard, of the four SATA ports, two were affected and
two were OK. But you cannot find that kind of information just
anywhere.

If you have no choice, but to go the Windows route to try
this, then make a complete backup copy of your Windows disk.
Then, if something happens to your hard drive, you have
a fallback plan, and a way to restore your disk.

Paul