Used to overclock, but now problems

"David Maynard" wrote in message

Well, I'd pull everything out, including the processors and memory. Pull
the heatsinks, clean everything, and reinstall with fresh thermal
compound. Then put in one processor, one memory stick (the PC133
probably), and a video card, nothing else, and work from there. Get that
stable and then add the second processor. Then the second memory stick.
Then whatever else.

You ARE setting the PCI divider to 1/3 and AGP to 2/3 when setting the
FSB to 100MHz, right?


Here's what I think I have done. I added a SYBA IDE card a couple of months
ago. I set it to run at UDMA6 and had to back it down to UDMA5 for better
reliability in OS/2. When I got windows to NOT reboot automatically, I
found out that one error was page fault in non paged area, listed process
was pnp680.sys - the driver for the SYBA card. I went to www.syba.com and
then to
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/sii0680.asp
I am using 3/15/2003 dated version same as what they offer on their website.
This page fault happened when I tried to change REAS-CAS delay from 3 to 2.
If I change RAS-CAS Delay from 3 to 2 with all others staying at 3 then I
get: "The procedure entry point SomeEnumerateSer...Domain count not be
located in tthe dynamic link library" [samsrv.dll]

Both of these attempts work with 66Mhz but above errors with 100Mhz. I tried
all RAS/CAS values at 3 (default values from BIOS option) and 100Mhz and XP
sticks at black screen before the windows logo with the blue moving block
during bootup phase. No errors this time. Just stuck.

I guess I'll try to find out how to downgrade the SYBA to NO UDMA only PIO
mode and try that to see if I get anywhere ? Just checked control panel and
Silicon Image ATA controller I con offered no way to change things, like
UDMA etc. In device mgr there is a "?" with Raid controller with NO drivers,
because I loaded NO raid drivers. Aparently the IDE settings are in the
separate ICON but not changeable as far as I see. There is entry for Maxtor
6Y120L0 and its drivers are disk.sys and PartMgr.sys. No where do I see any
reference to pnp680.sys.

Just saw some help referring to checking SCSI/RAID in sysmgr and so I
installed the RAID stuff anyway to see what happens. Now I havta reboot. On
to experiminting for a couple a hours. Then notes on what I discovered.

Rich Sias

"Rich Sias" wrote in message

Just saw some help referring to checking SCSI/RAID in sysmgr and so I
installed the RAID stuff anyway to see what happens. Now I havta reboot.
On
to experiminting for a couple a hours. Then notes on what I discovered.

Rich Sias

Boy! was that ever a dumb idea! locked up XP in the moving blue block mode
for an hour+. Gave up and went into safe mode and cleared the RAID driver
out and rebooted. Whew! it is back to where I was. OK now to resume
experimentation.

Rich

Rich Sias wrote:
"Rich Sias" wrote in message

Just saw some help referring to checking SCSI/RAID in sysmgr and so I
installed the RAID stuff anyway to see what happens. Now I havta
reboot. On to experiminting for a couple a hours. Then notes on what
I discovered.

Rich Sias

Boy! was that ever a dumb idea! locked up XP in the moving blue block
mode for an hour+. Gave up and went into safe mode and cleared the
RAID driver out and rebooted. Whew! it is back to where I was. OK now
to resume experimentation.

LOL, I cringed when I saw your post about installing the RAID drivers on a
running XP system. That has to be done early on during the install process,
you can't retro-install them. Glad you got it back to norm.
--
~misfit~

~misfit~ wrote:

Rich Sias wrote:

"Rich Sias" wrote in message

Just saw some help referring to checking SCSI/RAID in sysmgr and so I
installed the RAID stuff anyway to see what happens. Now I havta
reboot. On to experiminting for a couple a hours. Then notes on what
I discovered.

Rich Sias

Boy! was that ever a dumb idea! locked up XP in the moving blue block
mode for an hour+. Gave up and went into safe mode and cleared the
RAID driver out and rebooted. Whew! it is back to where I was. OK now
to resume experimentation.


LOL, I cringed when I saw your post about installing the RAID drivers on a
running XP system. That has to be done early on during the install process,
you can't retro-install them.

Sure you can, just not on the boot drive because it isn't setup as a RAID.

I do something similar all the time: setup the new controller, with it's
own separate drive(s), and test it. THEN I convert/swap the primary to it.

Glad you got it back to norm.
--
~misfit~

Rich Sias wrote:

"David Maynard" wrote in message

Well, I'd pull everything out, including the processors and memory. Pull
the heatsinks, clean everything, and reinstall with fresh thermal
compound. Then put in one processor, one memory stick (the PC133
probably), and a video card, nothing else, and work from there. Get that
stable and then add the second processor. Then the second memory stick.
Then whatever else.

You ARE setting the PCI divider to 1/3 and AGP to 2/3 when setting the
FSB to 100MHz, right?



Here's what I think I have done. I added a SYBA IDE card a couple of months
ago. I set it to run at UDMA6 and had to back it down to UDMA5 for better
reliability in OS/2.

Which indicates a problem already.

Makes me wonder AGAIN, since you didn't answer, if you have the PCI and
AGP dividers set to 1/3 and 2/3, respectively, as an overclocked PCI bus
could create the symptom you described.

When I got windows to NOT reboot automatically, I
found out that one error was page fault in non paged area, listed process
was pnp680.sys - the driver for the SYBA card. I went to www.syba.com and
then to
http://www.siliconimage.com/products/sii0680.asp
I am using 3/15/2003 dated version same as what they offer on their website.
This page fault happened when I tried to change REAS-CAS delay from 3 to 2.
If I change RAS-CAS Delay from 3 to 2 with all others staying at 3 then I
get: "The procedure entry point SomeEnumerateSer...Domain count not be
located in tthe dynamic link library" [samsrv.dll]

As the saying goes "then don't do that."

Both of these attempts work with 66Mhz but above errors with 100Mhz.

Think for a minute. Is the clock the same length of time at 100Mhz as it
is at 66Mhz? No. So CAS2 is LONGER at 66Mhz than when at 100Mhz. 'Time'
is what matters; 'Clock pulses' is just a way to, well, 'clock' it, but
if THEY change then the 'time' (delay) changes. This is why SPD will
often say "CAS2 from aaMHz to bbbMhz, CAS3 from xxxMHz to yyyMHZ"


I tried
all RAS/CAS values at 3 (default values from BIOS option) and 100Mhz and XP
sticks at black screen before the windows logo with the blue moving block
during bootup phase. No errors this time. Just stuck.

Just off hand I'd say that's an error too.


I guess I'll try to find out how to downgrade the SYBA to NO UDMA only PIO
mode and try that to see if I get anywhere ? Just checked control panel and
Silicon Image ATA controller I con offered no way to change things, like
UDMA etc. In device mgr there is a "?" with Raid controller with NO drivers,
because I loaded NO raid drivers. Aparently the IDE settings are in the
separate ICON but not changeable as far as I see. There is entry for Maxtor
6Y120L0 and its drivers are disk.sys and PartMgr.sys. No where do I see any
reference to pnp680.sys.

Just saw some help referring to checking SCSI/RAID in sysmgr and so I
installed the RAID stuff anyway to see what happens. Now I havta reboot. On
to experiminting for a couple a hours. Then notes on what I discovered.

You're doing this the super hard way as you KNOW you have a problem with
the Syba card. Get RID of it and get the basics running right first.
THEN try to debug that thing.


Rich Sias

Rich Sias wrote:

"David Maynard" wrote in message The fans and heatsink are OK, I
peeked carfully. Fan & Heatsink is

GlobalWin, fooey can't read label - its spinning while I type - duh!

anyway

it is about 2" thick, just filling space between the slot1 adapter

boards

for the dual socktets. MB is Shuttle HOT-649a w/ award bios, added

eSupport

bios from 2/2000 last year in attempt to u/g to 1.4 PIII. Never bought
them, too much $$$.

Which one of these is it?

http://www.checkmate.gr/globalwin/cel_slot1.htm

http://www.checkmate.gr/globalwin/cel_ppga.htm I guess it might be
CPM25603-16 as both the fins are 1" and the fan is about 1" thick.

Well, telling me they're PPGA on a slotket would'a helped.

No offense but that isn't much of a heatsink. It's fine for normal use
but not for overclocking. If I remember correctly I originally had a
couple of the CPM25603-32s because they were 'much better' and had holy
hell with temps on my BP6 running dual 300s overclocked to 500, although
it 'worked', but 'on the edge'. Still running it but with MUCH better
heatsinks which, unfortunately, wouldn't fit on your slotkets.

I'd suggest you measure what the actual clearance is and see about
getting a couple of better heatsinks. Although, within the space you
indicated this one might be nice and is pretty cheap with the free
shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-422&depa=0


I'm guessing the single fan job since your comment suggests 'the fan'
was spinning.

Besides the heatsink/fan capacity I was concerned about the thermal
compound between the heatsink and the processor.



down to 67 deg.

Degrees of 'what'? F?

Yes, and room is 62 or 61 now, its is starting to warm up again, now

spring

is approaching. (unheated basement). Normally 82 but with personal 6"

fan on

high blowing direct on CPUs I get 67 after 15 minutes at Idle. I d/l

Prime

95 and ran some load test and it sat at 82 without the personal fan.

Might

drop to 70's with the fan on.


Unlikely you have CPU temps of 67F, unless you mean at pure dead idle,
or suspend, with a boffo heatsink and a dern cold room. CASE temp I
would believe.

What motherboard are you running them on and what are you measuring this
temperature with?

Shuttle HOT649a and sensors are MB mounted and lap up the slot1 socket

up to

the slot. Not real accurate on chip temp but gives something relevant,

just

off by some degrees and with some delay of detection.

Well, it's 'relevant' if you had some way of knowing what it means, but
I can assure you it isn't anywhere even close to die temp.

Overclocked Slot-1 celerons aren't easy to cool to begin with and it's
doubly hard (pardon the pun) when on a dual motherboard because of the
space and airflow limitations, plus needing to keep them under 50C (CPU
metal lid temp) or so.


Well, I used to overclock these from 2000 until 2003 @105Mhz. I had a
critical app for work to use and install worked better at 66Mhz so I left it
there since last spring to be sure I had NO problems with it. Now that I am
unemployed I want to return to what I used to have. I just can't recall the
settings I used to have.

You're mixing apples and oranges. You imply you had no problems with the
100MHz FSB overclock but explain you lowered it to 66 for the
application to be reliable. Maybe you had more problems than you
realized at the time.

The only change is an addition of a PCI IDE card.

Right.

General debug rule: "It used to work and the only thing I changed is..."

Dump it, for now.

See notes in following messages.

Rich Sias

"David Maynard" wrote in message Well, telling me they're PPGA on a
slotket would'a helped.

No offense but that isn't much of a heatsink. It's fine for normal use
but not for overclocking. If I remember correctly I originally had a
couple of the CPM25603-32s because they were 'much better' and had holy
hell with temps on my BP6 running dual 300s overclocked to 500, although
it 'worked', but 'on the edge'. Still running it but with MUCH better
heatsinks which, unfortunately, wouldn't fit on your slotkets.

I'd suggest you measure what the actual clearance is and see about
getting a couple of better heatsinks. Although, within the space you
indicated this one might be nice and is pretty cheap with the free
shipping.


http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-422&depa=0

I see the Global Win is 20.16 cfm and this one is 21.6 hardly worth the
bother. I have a 6" personal fan that adds quite a bit of additional cooling
power. If I wanted a self contained solution so I could unplug the 6"er I
would. I haven't found a solution yet.

See other messages on experiments.
Rich

"David Maynard" wrote in message
You're doing this the super hard way as you KNOW you have a problem with
the Syba card. Get RID of it and get the basics running right first.
THEN try to debug that thing.

Well that is sorta what I got around to doing today.
I unplugged it and made the 3rd drive a slave to ch2 on onboard controller,
just for testing.
66 100 103 105 110
DOS 7.0 boots boots boots bts BIOS hangs
Win95 boots boots boots hangs BIOS hangs
XP boots hangs hangs notst "
OS/2 boots boots boots rough "

DOS hung on 100 @ 31 deg C, added 6" fan 26 deg C is above. Room is 59 F
today. I tried two fans and at 22 deg C BIOS still wont finish @ 110.
Probably a lost cause there no matter what.

Errors recieved with XP with SYBA card were non specific i.e. no xx.dll
identified etc.
STOP: 0x0000007F (0x0000000D 0xC0000034 0x00 0x00 )

With 3rd drive mounted as slave:
STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF894D63C 0xC0000034 0x00 0x00 )

David Maynard wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:

Rich Sias wrote:

"Rich Sias" wrote in message

Just saw some help referring to checking SCSI/RAID in sysmgr and
so I installed the RAID stuff anyway to see what happens. Now I
havta reboot. On to experiminting for a couple a hours. Then notes
on what I discovered.

Rich Sias

Boy! was that ever a dumb idea! locked up XP in the moving blue
block mode for an hour+. Gave up and went into safe mode and
cleared the RAID driver out and rebooted. Whew! it is back to where
I was. OK now to resume experimentation.


LOL, I cringed when I saw your post about installing the RAID
drivers on a running XP system. That has to be done early on during
the install process, you can't retro-install them.

Sure you can, just not on the boot drive because it isn't setup as a
RAID.

I do something similar all the time: setup the new controller, with
it's own separate drive(s), and test it. THEN I convert/swap the
primary to it.

Yeah, too early in the morning, not enough coffee............
--
~misfit~

Rich Sias wrote:

"David Maynard" wrote in message Well, telling me they're PPGA on a
slotket would'a helped.

No offense but that isn't much of a heatsink. It's fine for normal use
but not for overclocking. If I remember correctly I originally had a
couple of the CPM25603-32s because they were 'much better' and had holy
hell with temps on my BP6 running dual 300s overclocked to 500, although
it 'worked', but 'on the edge'. Still running it but with MUCH better
heatsinks which, unfortunately, wouldn't fit on your slotkets.

I'd suggest you measure what the actual clearance is and see about
getting a couple of better heatsinks. Although, within the space you
indicated this one might be nice and is pretty cheap with the free
shipping.



http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-422&depa=0

I see the Global Win is 20.16 cfm and this one is 21.6 hardly worth the
bother. I have a 6" personal fan that adds quite a bit of additional cooling
power. If I wanted a self contained solution so I could unplug the 6"er I
would. I haven't found a solution yet.

It isn't the fan that's the point. It's the thin fin design, for larger
surface area, vs the extruded hog wallow.

See other messages on experiments.
Rich