AMD 64 vs Pentium 4 for Video Encoding who wins ?

Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If not, you
can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64 bit XP, while if
P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64 Bit XP,so
it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if 32 bit P4 beat 64 AMD
what difference does it make if it still does it faster.

Courseyauto typed:

Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64
bit XP, while if
P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if 32
bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does it
faster.

But, the whole point is that AMD is 64 bit CPU, so, if you wanna to be
faster, you must have 64 bit application. Otherwise, there's no point of
even having it. Windows XP do exists in 64 bit version. You can't compare 32
and 64 bit systems, the same way as you can't compare 16 and 32 bit ones. 64
bit programs will become available as soon as more 64 bit CPU's will be
available and their price drops. It's similar as when 32 bit ones started to
show - there was no 32 bit applications at the time, but now there's no more
16 bit ones.
64bit AMD on 32 bit system runs with appr. half it's full capacity, similar
like if you put only 6 volts on 12 volt car wiper motor - it will run half
slower. Then you compare it with 6 volt model and say - ahh, 12 volt one is
crap, because it runs hell a lot slower...

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If not,
you
can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64 bit XP, while if
P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64 Bit
XP,so
it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if 32 bit P4 beat 64
AMD
what difference does it make if it still does it faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the Windows
XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested that ran
substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the 32 bit version
was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase on 64 bit over 32 bit
windows XP

Hippy Paul typed:

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64
bit XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if
32 bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does
it faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the
Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested
that ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the
32 bit version was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase
on 64 bit over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows. That helps
nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows, then you can see if
there's any difference. I didn't see any 64 bit program yet...

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:21:44 +0200, SleeperMan wrote:

Hippy Paul typed:

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64 bit
XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if 32
bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does it
faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the
Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested that
ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the 32 bit
version was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase on 64 bit
over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows. That
helps nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows, then you
can see if there's any difference. I didn't see any 64 bit program
yet...

Why weren't any of these 64-bit comparisons done back when the Itanium
came out, quite a while back?!... For the same reason they aren't being
done now - there's a lack of OS/software support perhaps???

Is the AMD 64-bit processor truly advanced using improved
design/technology, or is it simply a basic extension of the address space
and memory bandwidth? I've seen the capabilities of the Itanium, and they
are truly ground-breaking, in terms of next-generation
optimizations/paradigms (predication, bundling, software-pipelined loops,
register rotation, advanced speculation execution, virtual hash page
table).

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We HAVE been at war with Iraq for 14 years now, bombing their
country on at least a weekly basis.
"U.S.-led sanctions have killed over a million Iraqi citizens,
according to UN studies" - James Jennings
3,000+ innocent Iraqi civilian casualties can't be "wrong"...

"SleeperMan" wrote in message
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Hippy Paul typed:

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64
bit XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if
32 bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does
it faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the
Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested
that ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the
32 bit version was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase
on 64 bit over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows. That
helps
nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows, then you can see
if
there's any difference. I didn't see any 64 bit program yet...



Yes it was a 32 bit app , but why must it be a 64 bit program. The OP was
simply enquiring about absolute time values, and here there is a
difference - an AMD 64 running 64 bit Windows XP does not give the P4 such
an advantage when it comes to its supposed strength in video encoding.

I would go back and study your CPU designs.
If you think Itanium was ground breaking, you shall love the earth
shatering AMD 64-bit design.


Ixnei wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:21:44 +0200, SleeperMan wrote:


Hippy Paul typed:


"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64 bit
XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if 32
bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does it
faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the
Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested that
ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the 32 bit
version was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase on 64 bit
over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows. That
helps nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows, then you
can see if there's any difference. I didn't see any 64 bit program
yet...


Why weren't any of these 64-bit comparisons done back when the Itanium
came out, quite a while back?!... For the same reason they aren't being
done now - there's a lack of OS/software support perhaps???

Well Itanium was designed for a very small segment of the industry, not
the main stream market. Why make an application compatible with Itanium
when there is no market for it? I don't think Photoshop Itanium edition
would go flying off the shelves.


Is the AMD 64-bit processor truly advanced using improved
design/technology, or is it simply a basic extension of the address space
and memory bandwidth? I've seen the capabilities of the Itanium, and they
are truly ground-breaking, in terms of next-generation
optimizations/paradigms (predication, bundling, software-pipelined loops,
register rotation, advanced speculation execution, virtual hash page
table).


Well the rush away from Itanium servers to Opteron etc explains a whole
lot in my mind. Either Opteron etc is better or 80%+ of Server
Administrators out in the feild are dumb. Now I know whats faster for a
Database server guess they do too.

Hippy Paul typed:

"SleeperMan" wrote in message
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Hippy Paul typed:

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64
bit XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if
32 bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does
it faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the
Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested
that ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the
32 bit version was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase
on 64 bit over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows.
That helps nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows,
then you can see if there's any difference. I didn't see any 64 bit
program yet...



Yes it was a 32 bit app , but why must it be a 64 bit program. The OP
was simply enquiring about absolute time values, and here there is a
difference - an AMD 64 running 64 bit Windows XP does not give the P4
such an advantage when it comes to its supposed strength in video
encoding.

You can't tell untill you get some video encoding program whioch uses 64 bit
system.
Why is it importnat? Try to run some 16 bit program (from Win3.1 or DOS) and
see. It's exactly the same. When 32 bit windows came out, almost none of the
programs were made for 32 bit system. It's just plain simple: if app is NOT
64 bit, it JUST CAN'T use all advantages of 64 bit system. Period.

"SleeperMan" wrote in message
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Hippy Paul typed:

"SleeperMan" wrote in message
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Hippy Paul typed:

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit? If
not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test with 64
bit XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64 bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with 64
Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit. Besides if
32 bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if it still does
it faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested the
Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they tested
that ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform compared to the
32 bit version was divx encoding - something like a 13-15% increase
on 64 bit over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows.
That helps nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows,
then you can see if there's any difference. I didn't see any 64 bit
program yet...



Yes it was a 32 bit app , but why must it be a 64 bit program. The OP
was simply enquiring about absolute time values, and here there is a
difference - an AMD 64 running 64 bit Windows XP does not give the P4
such an advantage when it comes to its supposed strength in video
encoding.

You can't tell untill you get some video encoding program whioch uses 64
bit
system.
Why is it importnat? Try to run some 16 bit program (from Win3.1 or DOS)
and
see. It's exactly the same. When 32 bit windows came out, almost none of
the
programs were made for 32 bit system. It's just plain simple: if app is
NOT
64 bit, it JUST CAN'T use all advantages of 64 bit system. Period.


Yes I agree, however, in the meantime running 64bit XP demonstrates an
increase in speed at divx encoding.

Hippy Paul typed:

"SleeperMan" wrote in message
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Hippy Paul typed:

"SleeperMan" wrote in message
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Hippy Paul typed:

"Courseyauto" wrote in message
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Was that test made with 64-bit version of XP? Is P4 also 64 bit?
If not, you can't compare really, since for AMD you must test
with 64 bit XP, while if P4 is 32 bit, you can't test it with 64
bit XP.
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There is no video encoding software for the 64 AMD system with
64 Bit XP,so it does not matter if it's 32 bit or 64 bit.
Besides if 32 bit P4 beat 64 AMD what difference does it make if
it still does it faster.

In a UK magazine (Micromart) a couple of weeks back they tested
the Windows XP 64 beta and found that the only application they
tested that ran substantially better on the 64 bit platform
compared to the 32 bit version was divx encoding - something like
a 13-15% increase on 64 bit over 32 bit windows XP

But this was probably again 32 bit application on 64 bit windows.
That helps nothing. You must test 64 bit program on 64 bit windows,
then you can see if there's any difference. I didn't see any 64
bit program yet...



Yes it was a 32 bit app , but why must it be a 64 bit program. The
OP was simply enquiring about absolute time values, and here there
is a difference - an AMD 64 running 64 bit Windows XP does not give
the P4 such an advantage when it comes to its supposed strength in
video encoding.

You can't tell untill you get some video encoding program whioch
uses 64 bit system.
Why is it importnat? Try to run some 16 bit program (from Win3.1 or
DOS) and see. It's exactly the same. When 32 bit windows came out,
almost none of the programs were made for 32 bit system. It's just
plain simple: if app is NOT 64 bit, it JUST CAN'T use all advantages
of 64 bit system. Period.


Yes I agree, however, in the meantime running 64bit XP demonstrates an
increase in speed at divx encoding.

Should we say, AMD64 is more or less useless to have until apps will be
available for 64 bit system... It's like it would be useless to have a car
with 1000 HPS if you don't have any straight road miles from you...