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Performance Comparison: Nvidia Fx 5200 or GeForce 4 Ti 4200



 
 
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Old October 26th 04, 02:32 AM
Falcon1209
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Default Performance Comparison: Nvidia Fx 5200 or GeForce 4 Ti 4200

Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and realized
that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX 5200 by a
longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I assumed that the
newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed the FX was better
because the price on a TI 4200 right now is signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200 that
would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU? It
doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...


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Old October 26th 04, 03:51 AM
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"Falcon1209" wrote in message
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" I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card... "


You did. http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/

You should have bought a Thermaltake A1349.
http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/chipset/a1394.htm



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Old October 26th 04, 03:51 AM
Mac Cool
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Falcon1209:

I ... bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4
Ti 4200's fan was going out.


replace the fan

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...


yup,
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...charts-05.html

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Old October 26th 04, 03:55 AM
Bob Knowlden
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Here's an article that's a year and a half old, comparing cards (including
the 4200 and the 5200):

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...,922652,00.asp

The article is relatively kind to the 5200, but the relationship between the
5200 and the high-end cards in the FX5 series isn't similar to that between
a 4200 and a 4600 (or 4800). The 5200 is a budget card, while the 4200 isn't
that much slower than a 4600. However, the 5200 is a budget DX9 card, while
the 4200 only supports DX8.

You can still get third-party coolers that'll fit the 4200:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...110-107&depa=0

($13US, but with $5 shipping it's not all that cheap). It's cooler looking
than stock, but I don't know whether it cools better. The least expensive
solution would be to get a replacement fan, if you can find one.

HTH.

Bob Knowlden

Address may be scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.

"Falcon1209" wrote in message
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Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...



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Old October 26th 04, 04:30 AM
Rusty
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"Falcon1209" wrote in message
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Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...


I think that you may have spent $80 dollars on a slower card. There are a
number of reliable heat sinks for that card search the web for geforce 4200
video heat sink fan and you will find one. You could also just replace the
fan but they are a little harder to find. Instruction on how to remove the
old heat sink and install a new one can also be found on the web. You could
use a 1U copper heatsink and fan with a few modifications.

GF 4200TI
http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/chipset/a1449.htm
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-008&depa=0
http://www.vantecusa.com/product-cooling.html#
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...4629&CatId=498
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/en/products/vga_silencer/
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...186-117&depa=0


A cheap 1U heatsink
http://accessories.gateway.com/Acces...606_ProdDetail


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Old October 26th 04, 06:06 AM
kony
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:32:38 GMT, "Falcon1209"
wrote:

Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and realized
that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX 5200 by a
longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I assumed that the
newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed the FX was better
because the price on a TI 4200 right now is signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200 that
would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU? It
doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...


yes an FX5200 is slower. It's DX9 but it's slow enough that
this doesn't matter. Add to that the fact that many TI4200
cards o'c pretty well and it takes a fairly expensive video
card to outperform one (relatively speaking of course, you'd
have to spend about $120 to get higher raw performance
ignoring FSAA & DX9).

You can install a heatsink using epoxy, like Arctic Alumina
Epoxy,
http://www.svcompucycle.com/araltherad.html
The heatsink can be just about anything when using epoxy,
providing it's not too heavy and doesn't block too many PCI
slots. A Pentium 1 heatsink might be ideal if you have one
with a low-enough RPM (quiet) fan, or there are 3rd party
heatsinks that'll fit a TI4200 but offhand I dont' know
what/where to find the best or cheapest ones.

If the replacement fan is small and thin like the original
you might find it quieter and longer lasting by lubing it
with very heavy oil... not just after it makes a lot of
noise and is failing but BEFORE then. You might even be
able to lube your present failing fan with very very heavy
oil, bordering on light grease, and have it work fine again
for a long time.
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Old October 27th 04, 12:15 AM
DaveW
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The FX 5200 is MUCH slower than the Ti4200; no comparison. The 5200 is the
FX ENTRY level card for Nvidia. The 4200 was up the scale of Nvidia cards
back then.
I'm afraid you wasted your money.

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"Falcon1209" wrote in message
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Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...



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Old October 29th 04, 02:12 AM
Falcon1209
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I have returned my FX 5200 back to the retailer for $5.50. Claimed I made a
mistake on my order... which I did. I was wondering if any of you guys could
suggest a card for me.
Im looking to spend no more than $110. $120 if its really necessary.
I was looking at this card
(http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductD...sku=VC-XFX-017) If this is
a bad deal please let me know. Im guessing its much better according to the
bench marks you guys gave me. (According to Tomshardware.com the bechmarks
on the 5700 surpassed the TI 4200 by 10 fps in most benchmarks.)
If you guys can find a better deal than this, Id love to hear it. I dont
feel like returning another card again...

Thanks a lot!

"Falcon1209" wrote in message
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Hi

I recently bought a new Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 because my GeForce 4 Ti
4200's fan was going out. I was looking on the Nvidia website and
realized that the GeForce 4 TI 4200 is statistically better than the FX
5200 by a longshot. Is this a misinterpretation by my part because I
assumed that the newer FX's would make all TI's obsolete. I also assumed
the FX was better because the price on a TI 4200 right now is
signifigantly cheaper.

If anyone knows which card is better than the other, please reply. Id love
to hear what you have to say.
And if anyone knows a way to install a RELIABLE heat sink on my Ti 4200
that would be appreciated. (Perhaps how to install a heatsink on the GPU?
It doesnt sound like this card can take much more of a faulty fan right
now...)

I sure hope i didnt spend $80 on a signifigantly slower card...

Thanks in advance...



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Old October 29th 04, 02:49 AM
kony
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:12:56 GMT, "Falcon1209"
wrote:

I have returned my FX 5200 back to the retailer for $5.50. Claimed I made a
mistake on my order... which I did. I was wondering if any of you guys could
suggest a card for me.
Im looking to spend no more than $110. $120 if its really necessary.
I was looking at this card
(http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductD...sku=VC-XFX-017) If this is
a bad deal please let me know. Im guessing its much better according to the
bench marks you guys gave me. (According to Tomshardware.com the bechmarks
on the 5700 surpassed the TI 4200 by 10 fps in most benchmarks.)
If you guys can find a better deal than this, Id love to hear it. I dont
feel like returning another card again...

Thanks a lot!


Well it's significantly faster than the FX5200, but not "$96
worth" faster than the TI4200 you already have, especially
since the TI4200, once overclocked, might regain half of
that 10 FPS difference. Even so for =$110 it is a
reasonable choice... though if it were my choice I'd set the
TI4200 and put proceeds towards a faster card or just keep
using it.
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Old October 29th 04, 02:57 AM
kony
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:49:19 GMT, kony
wrote:

though if it were my choice I'd set the
TI4200


though if it were my choice I'd FIX, SELL the TI4200
 




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