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Old December 23rd 04, 02:50 PM
Lachoneus
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I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards,
network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will
be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the
potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for
a while yet. At least a couple years.


Has anyone ever seen a PCIe x1 card? I assume that's what those short
slots on PCIe boards are. I think it's odd that new boards have more
PCIe than PCI slots, and I can't find a PCIe card (other than video)
available for sale anywhere.
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Old December 23rd 04, 02:55 PM
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I see PCI Express as more of a "stuck with" than a "must have".

No kidding. The real reason for PCIe is to force upgrades.

Just like the real reason for DTV is to sell digital receivers.

And the real reason for HD-DVD is to take another crack at working DRM,
since CSS failed so badly. Improved picture and sound quality are a red
herring, and will only impact a small minority of people who actually
have HDTVs anyway.
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Old December 23rd 04, 04:35 PM
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I agree - it will be at least a year before other cards such as sound cards,
network cards, and the like are out in PCIe format in any quantity. It will
be that long before there are even any graphics cards that will utilize the
potential bandwidth of PCIe, anyway. There'll still be AGP cards around for
a while yet. At least a couple years.


Has anyone ever seen a PCIe x1 card? I assume that's what those short

slots on PCIe boards are. I think it's odd that new boards have more
PCIe than PCI slots, and I can't find a PCIe card (other than video)
available for sale anywhere.


AGP and PCI cards will be around for a long time.,PCI video cards are still
available even though AGP has been out for years. Those short slots are PCI
slots so you can still use your PCI cards. From what i understand PCI-E
sound cards wont be any improvment because PCI is still more than adequate.
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Old December 24th 04, 03:40 AM
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Ed Light wrote:
"dvus" wrote


You gotta love the free market system...


It would be more fun to get rid of $$ and profit and have democratic
production with equal distribution. Then the hardware gurus could
really do their thing!


What does that mean, "Democratic Production"? Who's gonna invest in the R&D
if there's no profit to be made?

dvus


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Old December 24th 04, 03:42 AM
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Lachoneus wrote:
I see PCI Express as more of a "stuck with" than a "must have".


No kidding. The real reason for PCIe is to force upgrades.

Just like the real reason for DTV is to sell digital receivers.

And the real reason for HD-DVD is to take another crack at working
DRM, since CSS failed so badly. Improved picture and sound quality
are a red herring, and will only impact a small minority of people
who actually have HDTVs anyway.


I'd imagine that number will increase significantly as prices fall and
programming rises.

dvus


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Old December 24th 04, 04:49 AM
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"dvus" wrote in message
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Ed Light wrote:
"dvus" wrote


You gotta love the free market system...


It would be more fun to get rid of $$ and profit and have democratic
production with equal distribution. Then the hardware gurus could
really do their thing!


What does that mean, "Democratic Production"? Who's gonna invest in the
R&D if there's no profit to be made?


The people own the means of production collectively, and democratically run
it. Then the output gets distributed equally. Let's say, free necessities
such as food, and equal script for luxuries.

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Old December 24th 04, 07:17 AM
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"The people own the means of production collectively"

Where in the works of Marx and Lenin have I read this before?

You know those high-performance Soviet PCs in the 1980s...

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Ed Light" wrote in message
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The people own the means of production collectively, and democratically

run
it. Then the output gets distributed equally. Let's say, free necessities
such as food, and equal script for luxuries.

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Old December 24th 04, 07:45 AM
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"First of One" wrote in message
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"The people own the means of production collectively"

Where in the works of Marx and Lenin have I read this before?

You know those high-performance Soviet PCs in the 1980s...


Lenin didn't follow what I said at all. Marx would have kicked his butt.


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Old December 24th 04, 06:46 PM
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:49:08 -0800, "Ed Light"
wrote:


"dvus" wrote in message
...
Ed Light wrote:
"dvus" wrote


You gotta love the free market system...

It would be more fun to get rid of $$ and profit and have democratic
production with equal distribution. Then the hardware gurus could
really do their thing!


What does that mean, "Democratic Production"? Who's gonna invest in the
R&D if there's no profit to be made?


The people own the means of production collectively, and democratically run
it. Then the output gets distributed equally. Let's say, free necessities
such as food, and equal script for luxuries.


Nice in theory. In practice, this works very well for groups of up to,
say, about four people.

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Old December 24th 04, 09:11 PM
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Ed Light wrote:


"First of One" wrote in message
...
"The people own the means of production collectively"

Where in the works of Marx and Lenin have I read this before?

You know those high-performance Soviet PCs in the 1980s...


Lenin didn't follow what I said at all.


Perhaps there's a reason for that? Like that you're basically having
decisions made by committee and a committee is the only known form of life
with six legs and no brain?

Marx would have kicked his butt.



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