DX10 in XP

"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message ...
* John Lewis:

Yes. Someone has already hacked the preview version

of what ??? Dx10... not likely...
URL please. Do not believe everything you read.

There is someone working on a "DX10 for Windowsxp". However, what most
people here just don't realize is that this is just a wrapper that
transfers DX10 calls into DX9 calls. It's an emulation, nothing more,
and probably nothing someone will play future DX10 games on. And it
still doesn't change the fact that a "real" DX10 for Windowsxp simply
isn't possible without replacing most of XP's core components because
unlike what most people don't believe Vista is *very* different from XP
under the hood and thus just installing DX10 on XP is not possible at all.

Looks like both Vista and DX10 are turning out to be major
flops for MS. Just this week I read where Dell and other PC
mfrs have run into so many complaints about Vista, they're
now shipping XP by customer request. Not a good sign for
MS.

In article , John Lewis says...
On Thu, 3 May 2007 09:54:27 +0100, Conor
wrote:

In article , Cessna 310 says...

Will DX10 be available for XP?


Yes. Someone has already hacked the preview version

of what ??? Dx10... not likely...
URL please. Do not believe everything you read.

Here's the page of the project who is doing it.

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/

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Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

In article , says...

Looks like both Vista and DX10 are turning out to be major
flops for MS. Just this week I read where Dell and other PC
mfrs have run into so many complaints about Vista, they're
now shipping XP by customer request. Not a good sign for
MS.

More like an indication of how ****ing stupid Dell users are.

I installed Vista on this PC when I got it in January. It's still the
same install and working fine. When XP came out, I had to re-install it
quite a few times in the early months.

Only thing is, Vista is not XP. Things are different in it and you have
to change. Having tinkered in Linux over the years, I'm used to
changing the way I do things to a different OS.


--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

(Benjamin Gawert) wrote:

It's an emulation, nothing more, and probably nothing
someone will play future DX10 games on

You're right, but what it *will* do is allow people to see whether
they're missing much by being stuck with DX9. That will be very useful
given the PITA factor of switching not just a vid card (simple) but an
OS (potentially messy).

Andrew McP

(Conor) wrote:

More like an indication of how ****ing stupid Dell users are.

I advised someone to buy a Dell PC just before Vista launch time and
forget it wouldn't come with XP. His young children are now getting a
little confused because they use XP at school (and will do for a long
time no doubt) and Vista at home. They love the PC and the price, but
it's not an ideal situation and I wish I'd thought about it beforehand
and suggested they try to get XP on the machine.

Andrew McP

* :

Looks like both Vista and DX10 are turning out to be major
flops for MS. Just this week I read where Dell and other PC
mfrs have run into so many complaints about Vista, they're
now shipping XP by customer request. Not a good sign for
MS.

Probably not. Vista is a very good OS but sadly it still has these
little annoying glitches that are not affecting stability but still
drive you crazy. Especially UAC is more hazzle than help, it nags you
even for very basic things but then it doesn't provide enough
information to tell the user about what exactly UAC is warning.

As to DX10, well, I also doubt it will be a real breakthrough. Unlike
older DirectX versions DX10 doesn't really offer any new effects, it's
"just" faster and gets rid with several historic grown bottlenecks of
previous versions.

Both Vista and DX10 hardware will spread around, especially since Vista
is now on most new computers as standard. And Nvidia already released
their low- and midrange DX10 cards. But it probably takes ages until the
majority of games _require_ a DX10 card to work. Heck, even Crysis is
supposed to run with DX9 hardware (some time ago the developers admitted
that most screen shots and teasers of Crysis were made using DX9
hardware)...

Benjamin

* Andrew MacPherson:

It's an emulation, nothing more, and probably nothing
someone will play future DX10 games on

You're right, but what it *will* do is allow people to see whether
they're missing much by being stuck with DX9.

Definitely no. An emulation that just translates DX10 calls into DX9 is
hardly suitable to see if you're missing something without true DX10.
Besides the little problem that this wrapper is not even close to alpha
stadium and that it's expectable that most games will have some or
several issues with it.

That will be very useful
given the PITA factor of switching not just a vid card (simple) but an
OS (potentially messy).

Which PITA? There is no need for Vista right now. Currently there are no
DX10 games available, and it will take a long time until the majority of
games is DX10 only. By the time DX10 gets important most hardcore gamers
will already have bought a new computer anyway (and the occasional
gamers probably won't complain about gaming with DX9 hardware), and
Vista probably will have most of it's little annoyances fixed by them.

Benjamin

* Conor:

Here's the page of the project who is doing it.

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/

"...As a fitting start to this blog, I'm proud to release a preview of
our Alky compatibility libraries for Microsoft DirectX 10 enabled games.
These libraries allow the use of DirectX 10 games on platforms other
than Windows Vista, and increase hardware compatibility even on Vista,
by compiling Geometry Shaders down to native machine code for execution
where hardware isn't capable of running it. No longer will you have to
upgrade your OS and video card(s) to play the latest games."

Yeah, right. As if raw hardware performance would be totally unimportant
for playing the latest games...

And just don't ask how slow even the fastest CPU is at doing Geometry or
Shader calculations compared to even the cheapest low-end GPU...

Benjamin

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"Benjamin Gawert" wrote in message ...

* John Lewis:


Yes. Someone has already hacked the preview version

of what ??? Dx10... not likely...
URL please. Do not believe everything you read.

There is someone working on a "DX10 for Windowsxp". However, what most
people here just don't realize is that this is just a wrapper that
transfers DX10 calls into DX9 calls. It's an emulation, nothing more,
and probably nothing someone will play future DX10 games on. And it
still doesn't change the fact that a "real" DX10 for Windowsxp simply
isn't possible without replacing most of XP's core components because
unlike what most people don't believe Vista is *very* different from XP
under the hood and thus just installing DX10 on XP is not possible at all.


Looks like both Vista and DX10 are turning out to be major
flops for MS. Just this week I read where Dell and other PC
mfrs have run into so many complaints about Vista, they're
now shipping XP by customer request. Not a good sign for
MS.



Yet MS' profits were WAY up last quarter.

Benjamin Gawert wrote in news:5a0f19F2mso4qU1
@mid.individual.net:

UAC is more hazzle than help, it nags you
even for very basic things but then it doesn't provide enough
information to tell the user about what exactly UAC is warning.

Go to the Security Center under Control Panel and click the button to
disable it. Next!