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Old August 17th 06, 03:44 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
Walter Mitty
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"EDM" writes:

"Walter Mitty" wrote in message ...
"EDM" writes:

"Walter Mitty" wrote in message ...
"EDM" writes:

wrote in message ups.com...
EDM wrote:
Do you seriously believe Valve has received
more in revenue from reduced piracy than they've spent
designing, coding, implementing and supporting Steam?

No, but I bet they've more than paid for it in increased income. A game
sold through a retailer probably gives them less than 50% of the sale
price, a game sold through Steam gives them the full price minus the
cost of bandwidth.

Guess what percentage of people get the game via download.

Three out of every four internet connections are dialup.

Do the math.


What math?

We would need to know about what % of users with dial up modems also
play FPS.

No, we just need to know that 3 out of 4 people can't download
entire games even if they wanted to. Which roughly translates
into 75% of the gaming market, maybe slightly less overall.


That makes no sense.

The bit that ruins your assertion is the "if they wnated to" bit. We
dont know if they want to or not : and I'm asserting that a lot dont
want to either download or buy and play FPS games.


30% of PCs have no internet connection at all. Of the 70%
that do, 75% are dialup.

That leaves 17.5% as potential HL2 downloaders. What
percentage of broadband users are also gamers? Figuring
half (which is probably exaggerated), that's just under 9%
of the market.



Which part of "you dont have to download HL2" confuses you?

Also, where are the figures from? Certainly here in germany everyone I
know now has DSL.
  #72  
Old August 17th 06, 06:16 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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EDM wrote:

And likewise, you condemn piracy and selling 2nd hand
software, and then you blame Valve for preventing what
you've just condemned. How much sense does that make?


I just asked you a question... what do you prefer:
.. Things being imposed upon you by a Dictator
(Valves model)

.. Or you doing things by your own will and thinking for yourself?
(My model in which after analyzing the situation of the PC Game
market I decided that the best for devs and for PC Games overall
to not use the 2nd hand market or lend/share games with friends)

Now you choose
I'm clearly in the second model and will always refuse the first
model in which Valve is driving this industry into.

So as you see what I "condemn" Valve is for being a DICTATOR.
I don't like Dictators, and I don't want Dictators to tell me
what to do.

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Old August 17th 06, 12:12 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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EDM wrote:
30% of PCs have no internet connection at all. Of the 70%
that do, 75% are dialup.


And the majority of people in the world don't even have a computer.
Obviously Valve should forget PCs and sell board games instead.

Mark

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Old August 17th 06, 12:39 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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wrote in message ups.com...
EDM wrote:
30% of PCs have no internet connection at all. Of the 70%
that do, 75% are dialup.


And the majority of people in the world don't even have a computer.
Obviously Valve should forget PCs and sell board games instead.


Time will tell how Steam winds up. I think Valve will either be
forced to make some basic changes or they'll greed themselves
out of business within two years, three tops.


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Old August 17th 06, 01:50 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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"EDM" writes:

wrote in message ups.com...
EDM wrote:
30% of PCs have no internet connection at all. Of the 70%
that do, 75% are dialup.


And the majority of people in the world don't even have a computer.
Obviously Valve should forget PCs and sell board games instead.


Time will tell how Steam winds up. I think Valve will either be
forced to make some basic changes or they'll greed themselves
out of business within two years, three tops.


And yet you dont have any figures to back up this ridiculous claim.

Your obstinancy in the matter is quite endearing.
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Old August 17th 06, 02:05 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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Walter Mitty wrote:
Also, where are the figures from? Certainly here in germany everyone I
know now has DSL.


America, I would imagine: they're remarkably backwards on Internet
access.

As with Germany, everyone I know in the UK who plays PC games has DSL,
and most have a faster connection than I do. It's so cheap these days
there's no reason not to unless you live in one of the few places which
still can't get it.

Mark

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Old August 17th 06, 02:30 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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" writes:

Walter Mitty wrote:
Also, where are the figures from? Certainly here in germany everyone I
know now has DSL.


America, I would imagine: they're remarkably backwards on Internet
access.


Especially the military. That whole scandal about the British hacker who was
roaming their military servers is shocking : the guy deserves a medal,
not being extradited to the states to be made a "fall guy" for their own
incompetence. If the door is open, people will walk through it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4905036.stm

Lend your help here Brothers (and Sisters, thanks Stan) :

http://freegary.org.uk/

PC Gamer : please stay away from this crusade.


As with Germany, everyone I know in the UK who plays PC games has DSL,
and most have a faster connection than I do. It's so cheap these days


This was the main point I tried to get over to the previous poster. Not
so much as how many people have dial up, but of those, how many would be
interested in HL2 and other such games. Probably not a lot.

there's no reason not to unless you live in one of the few places which
still can't get it.

Mark

  #78  
Old August 21st 06, 01:49 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia
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What A Loser this guy is!
Why waste your time fighting with him

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:44:57 +0200, Walter Mitty
wrote:

"EDM" writes:

"Walter Mitty" wrote in message ...
"EDM" writes:

"Walter Mitty" wrote in message ...
"EDM" writes:

wrote in message ups.com...
EDM wrote:
Do you seriously believe Valve has received
more in revenue from reduced piracy than they've spent
designing, coding, implementing and supporting Steam?

No, but I bet they've more than paid for it in increased income. A game
sold through a retailer probably gives them less than 50% of the sale
price, a game sold through Steam gives them the full price minus the
cost of bandwidth.

Guess what percentage of people get the game via download.

Three out of every four internet connections are dialup.

Do the math.


What math?

We would need to know about what % of users with dial up modems also
play FPS.

No, we just need to know that 3 out of 4 people can't download
entire games even if they wanted to. Which roughly translates
into 75% of the gaming market, maybe slightly less overall.

That makes no sense.

The bit that ruins your assertion is the "if they wnated to" bit. We
dont know if they want to or not : and I'm asserting that a lot dont
want to either download or buy and play FPS games.


30% of PCs have no internet connection at all. Of the 70%
that do, 75% are dialup.

That leaves 17.5% as potential HL2 downloaders. What
percentage of broadband users are also gamers? Figuring
half (which is probably exaggerated), that's just under 9%
of the market.



Which part of "you dont have to download HL2" confuses you?

Also, where are the figures from? Certainly here in germany everyone I
know now has DSL.

 




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