When will I *need* a Directx 9 card?

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:07:27 GMT, "John Fraser"
wrote:

Good morning Darth;

It had its moments.

So does an ex wife or girlfriend

So does a wife, sunny days and hurricanes.

heheh... and I'm lusting over an 18yr old girl at the moment... Very
cute, plays games so she wants to kick my ass on Counter Strike. Its
been a while since I had a women under 30.

Anyways, the CLI on the Amiga is far more advanced than the COMMAND
shell for Windows95~XP... Some features by default:
1 - You typed in full names for directorys. non of this stupid CD
Progra~1 (Program Files).

That was an unfortunate compromise Win95+ when using an 8.3 CLI. As I
said, all relationship to MS-DOS should have been dropped.

Agreed, but then Win95 wouldn't have been accepted. You should
understand that THOUSANDS of business REQUIRE that MS-DOS ability
because of the crappy programing standards that M$ created with M$ DOS
to begin with. Remember, M$ DOS is a *PIRATED* version of CP/M that
they paid $25,000 or $50,000 from some guy and CP/M is an 8bit OS
version for PCs thats weakly based off of the Unix CLI.

The CLI in the modern WindowsXP is *SUBSTANDARD* to 1995's Amigas.

2 - The cursor UP and DOWN keys would cycle through the commands youve
typed. (MSDos had this an optional command you had to type in first)

5 - There was a SCROLL bar for the CLU window... Ever wish you could
have read the text that flew up the screen? Oh yeah, you can PAUSE -
how "limiting"... Handing for reading those pages of HELP comand
text.

If you knew you needed it. Otherwise F3 plus "/pause" plus a deliberate
assortment command "/en", depending on how you wanted thems sorted.

And start DOSKEY for the system to remember your key commands.

Point is, out of the box - 1995 Amiga CLI is still more advanced and
usable than even today's WindowsXP command prompt.

Its like comparing Windows XP to Windows 3.1, okay? When I HAD to
use MS-DOS6.x/Windows3.1 (Afterall C=/Amiga died in 1993), it was
HORRIBLE. It was SUCH A DOWNGRADE in computer usage.

Everytime I use Command Prompt, I'm reminded how crappy it is.

PS: I had masterd MS-DOS in technical school about a year or so before
I bought my first Amiga... but I had some understanding of CP/M before
then.

Considering your from the UK... Amiga was far more successful there,
than the USA, it should have been a bit more familer... CommodoreUSA
brought down CommodoreUK.

The UK (HMS) uses the designation, as does Australia (HMAS). I'm from
Nova Scotia, Canada. The Canadian warships were given the designation Her
Majesty's Canadian Ships (HMCS)in 1910. The term today is a carryover from
the RCN when the three services were combined to form the Canadian Forces
1968. I guess it was allowed in order to keep the Army from getting
confused.

hehhe... about the confusion. Okay, I'm sorry about that... But I
thought there wasn't Royalty in Canada... much less Australia.



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Good morning Darth;

"Darthy" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:07:27 GMT, "John Fraser"
wrote:

Good morning Darth;

It had its moments.

So does an ex wife or girlfriend

So does a wife, sunny days and hurricanes.

heheh... and I'm lusting over an 18yr old girl at the moment... Very
cute, plays games so she wants to kick my ass on Counter Strike. Its
been a while since I had a women under 30.

Anyways, the CLI on the Amiga is far more advanced than the COMMAND
shell for Windows95~XP... Some features by default:
1 - You typed in full names for directorys. non of this stupid CD
Progra~1 (Program Files).

That was an unfortunate compromise Win95+ when using an 8.3 CLI. As
I
said, all relationship to MS-DOS should have been dropped.

Agreed, but then Win95 wouldn't have been accepted. You should
understand that THOUSANDS of business REQUIRE that MS-DOS ability
because of the crappy programing standards that M$ created with M$ DOS
to begin with. Remember, M$ DOS is a *PIRATED* version of CP/M that
they paid $25,000 or $50,000 from some guy and CP/M is an 8bit OS
version for PCs thats weakly based off of the Unix CLI.

The CLI in the modern WindowsXP is *SUBSTANDARD* to 1995's Amigas.

2 - The cursor UP and DOWN keys would cycle through the commands youve
typed. (MSDos had this an optional command you had to type in first)

5 - There was a SCROLL bar for the CLU window... Ever wish you could
have read the text that flew up the screen? Oh yeah, you can PAUSE -
how "limiting"... Handing for reading those pages of HELP comand
text.

If you knew you needed it. Otherwise F3 plus "/pause" plus a
deliberate
assortment command "/en", depending on how you wanted thems sorted.

And start DOSKEY for the system to remember your key commands.

Point is, out of the box - 1995 Amiga CLI is still more advanced and
usable than even today's WindowsXP command prompt.

Its like comparing Windows XP to Windows 3.1, okay? When I HAD to
use MS-DOS6.x/Windows3.1 (Afterall C=/Amiga died in 1993), it was
HORRIBLE. It was SUCH A DOWNGRADE in computer usage.

Everytime I use Command Prompt, I'm reminded how crappy it is.

PS: I had masterd MS-DOS in technical school about a year or so before
I bought my first Amiga... but I had some understanding of CP/M before
then.

Considering your from the UK... Amiga was far more successful there,
than the USA, it should have been a bit more familer... CommodoreUSA
brought down CommodoreUK.

The UK (HMS) uses the designation, as does Australia (HMAS). I'm
from
Nova Scotia, Canada. The Canadian warships were given the designation
Her
Majesty's Canadian Ships (HMCS)in 1910. The term today is a carryover
from
the RCN when the three services were combined to form the Canadian Forces
1968. I guess it was allowed in order to keep the Army from getting
confused.

hehhe... about the confusion. Okay, I'm sorry about that... But I
thought there wasn't Royalty in Canada... much less Australia.

It happens. There isn't any royalty in the direct sense. Australia
dropped the monarchy from Government two years ago. Canada's system of
government was intended from the beginning to be independent in nature, yet
still retain elements of a monarchy. The Governor General is the Queen's
representative for Parliament, more of a figurehead than a necessity.
Today, the word Royal is a carryover from when the word actually meant
something. The province of Quebec? Well, that's another issue.

Cheers,
John

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:48:06 GMT
"John Fraser" wrote:

Good morning Darth;

"Darthy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:07:27 GMT, "John Fraser"
wrote:

Good morning Darth;

It had its moments.

So does an ex wife or girlfriend

So does a wife, sunny days and hurricanes.

heheh... and I'm lusting over an 18yr old girl at the moment... Very
cute, plays games so she wants to kick my ass on Counter Strike.
Its been a while since I had a women under 30.

Anyways, the CLI on the Amiga is far more advanced than the
COMMAND shell for Windows95~XP... Some features by default:
1 - You typed in full names for directorys. non of this stupid
CD Progra~1 (Program Files).

That was an unfortunate compromise Win95+ when using an 8.3
CLI. As
I
said, all relationship to MS-DOS should have been dropped.

Agreed, but then Win95 wouldn't have been accepted. You should
understand that THOUSANDS of business REQUIRE that MS-DOS ability
because of the crappy programing standards that M$ created with M$
DOS to begin with. Remember, M$ DOS is a *PIRATED* version of CP/M

That's interesting. How did they get the source code and if it
contained Digital Research code then why did Digital Research in
conjunction with the courts not destroy Microsoft? And how did he
manage to get the source for CPM/86 anyway given that at the time
Digital Research had not yet written it? And why did Digital Research
have so much trouble making a working MS-DOS clone if MS-DOS was pirated
from their own code?

that they paid $25,000 or $50,000 from some guy and CP/M is an 8bit
OS version for PCs thats weakly based off of the Unix CLI.

Actually, CP/M is an OS for machines that predate the IBM PC and use a
different processor, and one could argue equally well that it's "weakly
based off the CMS command line processor" or "weakly based off the VMS
command line processor" or "weakly based off any other command line
processor"--the only real resemblance it has to Unix is that they are
both operating systems and they both have command lines.

In any case, I don't see what the hell difference it makes at this
point.

The CLI in the modern WindowsXP is *SUBSTANDARD* to 1995's Amigas.

2 - The cursor UP and DOWN keys would cycle through the commands
youve typed. (MSDos had this an optional command you had to type
in first)
5 - There was a SCROLL bar for the CLU window... Ever wish you
could have read the text that flew up the screen? Oh yeah, you
can PAUSE - how "limiting"... Handing for reading those pages of
HELP comand text.

If you knew you needed it. Otherwise F3 plus "/pause" plus a
deliberate
assortment command "/en", depending on how you wanted thems
sorted.

And start DOSKEY for the system to remember your key commands.

Point is, out of the box - 1995 Amiga CLI is still more advanced and
usable than even today's WindowsXP command prompt.

Uh, what are you on about? XP does not need DOSKEY, it has a scroll bar
for the command window, pressing the up and down keys get you the
commands you have typed. If those are your objections then you've
clearly never used XP or 2K. Or perhaps you are not using "CMD", which
is the Windows NT and later native command processor and are instead
using "COMMAND", which exists primarily for backward compatibility with
MS-DOS batch files? If so, try "CMD" before you criticize.

Its like comparing Windows XP to Windows 3.1, okay? When I HAD to
use MS-DOS6.x/Windows3.1 (Afterall C=/Amiga died in 1993), it was
HORRIBLE. It was SUCH A DOWNGRADE in computer usage.

Everytime I use Command Prompt, I'm reminded how crappy it is.

PS: I had masterd MS-DOS in technical school about a year or so
before I bought my first Amiga... but I had some understanding of
CP/M before then.

Considering your from the UK... Amiga was far more successful
there, than the USA, it should have been a bit more familer...
CommodoreUSA brought down CommodoreUK.

The UK (HMS) uses the designation, as does Australia (HMAS).
I'm
from
Nova Scotia, Canada. The Canadian warships were given the
designation
Her
Majesty's Canadian Ships (HMCS)in 1910. The term today is a
carryover
from
the RCN when the three services were combined to form the Canadian
Forces 1968. I guess it was allowed in order to keep the Army from
getting confused.

hehhe... about the confusion. Okay, I'm sorry about that... But I
thought there wasn't Royalty in Canada... much less Australia.

It happens. There isn't any royalty in the direct sense.
Australia
dropped the monarchy from Government two years ago. Canada's system
of government was intended from the beginning to be independent in
nature, yet still retain elements of a monarchy. The Governor General
is the Queen's representative for Parliament, more of a figurehead
than a necessity. Today, the word Royal is a carryover from when the
word actually meant something. The province of Quebec? Well, that's
another issue.

Cheers,
John




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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:48:06 GMT, "John Fraser"
wrote:

Good morning Darth;


hehhe... about the confusion. Okay, I'm sorry about that... But I
thought there wasn't Royalty in Canada... much less Australia.

It happens. There isn't any royalty in the direct sense. Australia
dropped the monarchy from Government two years ago. Canada's system of
government was intended from the beginning to be independent in nature, yet
still retain elements of a monarchy. The Governor General is the Queen's
representative for Parliament, more of a figurehead than a necessity.
Today, the word Royal is a carryover from when the word actually meant
something. The province of Quebec? Well, that's another issue.

I'm sure if you ask, our dear president would gladly nuke the French
right out of Canada.


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Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:46:46 -0500, "J.Clarke"
wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:48:06 GMT
"John Fraser" wrote:

Agreed, but then Win95 wouldn't have been accepted. You should
understand that THOUSANDS of business REQUIRE that MS-DOS ability
because of the crappy programing standards that M$ created with M$
DOS to begin with. Remember, M$ DOS is a *PIRATED* version of CP/M

That's interesting. How did they get the source code and if it
contained Digital Research code then why did Digital Research in
conjunction with the courts not destroy Microsoft? And how did he

Its called reverse engineering? The Ruskies did it, and Compaq did it
to IBM. Even Linux is a reverese engineered version of Unix.

manage to get the source for CPM/86 anyway given that at the time
Digital Research had not yet written it? And why did Digital Research

Learn a bit more about computer history. M$ bought the re-engineered
code and re-worked it for IBM. M$ didn't create M$ Word, Front page,
Excel, Internet Explorer and other apps... all bought from some small
company.

that they paid $25,000 or $50,000 from some guy and CP/M is an 8bit
OS version for PCs thats weakly based off of the Unix CLI.

Actually, CP/M is an OS for machines that predate the IBM PC and use a

Did I say it didn't? Obviously ITS older than the IBM PC.

PS: Learn to EDIT out parts of the QUOTE that have nothing to do with
what you're responding to. 90% of your quoted message was a waste of
space.


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Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!

Death to Palladium & WPA!!