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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
How to know fan speeds on Dell 4400? Maybe Dimension.
Can you recommend any programs that will do that? My friend has a Dell, I think it's a 4400, maybe it's a Dimension. The case is a tower, and in the back on the top and bottom there are buttons, and it hinges at the front, so the left side opens up. She's had problems with overheating aiui, and when I first opened the case (Light was very dim and I didn't see the model of the computer), when I opened the case, the CPU fan didn't seem to run after I turned it on. Later though, it did, and maybe the fan is intermittent, like her problem. (It's a pretty big fan at the back of the case at the end of the shroud, Not one that sits on the CPU) I wanted to install something which would display the fan speed. Searching for dell fan speed utility all I found was http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ Dell Inspiron/Latitude/Precision fan control utility I installed that on my own Dell, a 4700 iirc, and it said it didn't get a speed report from the fans. Is that typical? Or could the problem be that maybe I have a Dimension. (I don't care if it works on my computer, only my friend's) |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:46:14 -0500, micky
wrote: How to know fan speeds on Dell 4400? Maybe Dimension. Can you recommend any programs that will do that? My friend has a Dell, I think it's a 4400, maybe it's a Dimension. The case is a tower, and in the back on the top and bottom there are buttons, and it hinges at the front, so the left side opens up. She's had problems with overheating aiui, and when I first opened the case (Light was very dim and I didn't see the model of the computer), when I opened the case, the CPU fan didn't seem to run after I turned it on. Later though, it did, and maybe the fan is intermittent, like her problem. (It's a pretty big fan at the back of the case at the end of the shroud, Not one that sits on the CPU) I wanted to install something which would display the fan speed. Searching for dell fan speed utility all I found was http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ Dell Inspiron/Latitude/Precision fan control utility I installed that on my own Dell, a 4700 iirc, and it said it didn't get a speed report from the fans. Is that typical? Or could the problem be that maybe I have a Dimension. (I don't care if it works on my computer, only my friend's) Since the fan may be intermittent, or it might be just fine, It would be especially nice if the fan sensor would beep when the fan speed went too low. Thanks |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
"micky" wrote in message ... On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:46:14 -0500, micky wrote: How to know fan speeds on Dell 4400? Maybe Dimension. Can you recommend any programs that will do that? My friend has a Dell, I think it's a 4400, maybe it's a Dimension. The case is a tower, and in the back on the top and bottom there are buttons, and it hinges at the front, so the left side opens up. She's had problems with overheating aiui, and when I first opened the case (Light was very dim and I didn't see the model of the computer), when I opened the case, the CPU fan didn't seem to run after I turned it on. Later though, it did, and maybe the fan is intermittent, like her problem. (It's a pretty big fan at the back of the case at the end of the shroud, Not one that sits on the CPU) I wanted to install something which would display the fan speed. Searching for dell fan speed utility all I found was http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ Dell Inspiron/Latitude/Precision fan control utility I installed that on my own Dell, a 4700 iirc, and it said it didn't get a speed report from the fans. Is that typical? Or could the problem be that maybe I have a Dimension. (I don't care if it works on my computer, only my friend's) Since the fan may be intermittent, or it might be just fine, It would be especially nice if the fan sensor would beep when the fan speed went too low. Thanks Monitoring the fan is one thing, but what I monitor instead is CPU temperatures. As who cares what the fan is doing as long as the CPU is running at normal temperatures? And CPU temperatures utilities are very common and most of them work with virtual any machine. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
Since you got the case open, I presume you checked the heat sink to make
sure it's clear of dust buildup. The green hood hinges up, allowing you to inspect/clean the heat sink. The whole fan assembly itself can be removed from the chassis for more thorough cleaning if desired. There is a release lever on the bottom side of the hood assembly (the side toward the bottom of the tower when it's standing upright). Also blow air through the power supply vents to clear some of the dust out of the power supply. There's a fan in the power supply, too. There's no way to speed test that, but at least make sure it still spins when the power is turned on. To test the case fan, use Dell Diagnostics. The Dimension 4400 would have originally shipped with a Diagnostics partition. Assuming it's still there (i.e., nobody reformatted the drive and deleted it) you should be able to access it by pressing F12 during POST (Power-On Self Test, when the giant Dell logo is on the screen). Pressing F12 should get you to a one-time boot menu, from which you can select to boot Dell Diagnostics. If the Diagnostics partition is no longer there you can download the same utility from support.dell.com. Look for the Downloads and Drivers section for your particular model, and find "Dell 32-bit Diagnostics". Choose either the "CD..." or "CZ..." versions, download, and extract all the files (there are dozens) from it into a separate directory. Dell Diagnostics runs from DOS, so to use it you'll need to create a bootable CD or bootable flash drive for yourself (plenty of tutorials on the web) that will boot DOS. Copy the dozens of extracted files onto your bootable CD or flash drive. Then you can boot from the CD/flash drive and launch delldiag.exe. Once you get the Diagnostics utility launched, find the function to test the fan. The fan is a variable speed fan, and the utility will test it to see if it turns on/off, checks the speed and checks that it changes speeds as commanded. |
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 09:10:19 +0000 (UTC), dg1261
wrote: Since you got the case open, I presume you checked the heat sink to make sure it's clear of dust buildup. The green hood hinges up, allowing you Yes, it was very clean. The whole insides were. to inspect/clean the heat sink. The whole fan assembly itself can be removed from the chassis for more thorough cleaning if desired. There is a release lever on the bottom side of the hood assembly (the side toward the bottom of the tower when it's standing upright). Also blow air through the power supply vents to clear some of the dust Although I didn't look in the powersupply. (There's no place to work there!!) out of the power supply. There's a fan in the power supply, too. There's no way to speed test that, but at least make sure it still spins when the power is turned on. To test the case fan, use Dell Diagnostics. The Dimension 4400 would have originally shipped with a Diagnostics partition. Assuming it's still there (i.e., nobody reformatted the drive and deleted it) you Ah, wonderful. I guess my Dell had that too, but the harddrive failed on this computer, and that's why another friend gave it to me. If mine had them, I would have found them . should be able to access it by pressing F12 during POST (Power-On Self Test, when the giant Dell logo is on the screen). Pressing F12 should get you to a one-time boot menu, from which you can select to boot Dell Diagnostics. If the Diagnostics partition is no longer there you can download the same utility from support.dell.com. Look for the Downloads and Drivers section for your particular model, and find "Dell 32-bit Diagnostics". Does it always have to be the same model? I have 1 Dell and two that could be set up, and she has a different Dell. Are they likely to use the same files? I guess I can check this myself eventually, but I thought you might know. Choose either the "CD..." or "CZ..." versions, download, and extract all the files (there are dozens) from it into a separate directory. Dell Diagnostics runs from DOS, so to use it you'll need to create a bootable CD or bootable flash drive for yourself (plenty of tutorials on the web) that will boot DOS. Copy the dozens of extracted files onto your bootable CD or flash drive. Then you can boot from the CD/flash drive and launch delldiag.exe. Once you get the Diagnostics utility launched, find the function to test the fan. The fan is a variable speed fan, and the utility will test it to see if it turns on/off, checks the speed and checks that it changes speeds as commanded. Wonderful. Thanks. BillW, you're right, thanks. I guess I got sidetracked when the fan seemed to be off when I first opened the case and turned the computer on**. Later I wasn't sure if the computer had really been on. It's so crowded there, we were working with the computer on the floor and no room even to look at the lights in front. So the fan seemed like the immediate issue. And a new fan is easy to buy. **Can you run these Dells for more than a few minutes, with the case open, with the green shroud no longer surrounding the heat sink? |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
micky wrote in
: Does it always have to be the same model? I have 1 Dell and two that could be set up, and she has a different Dell. Are they likely to use the same files? I guess I can check this myself eventually, but I thought you might know. The Dell Diagnostics utility has to be designed to work with the particular hardware of a particular model family. A particular version of the utility will work across more than one model if the hardware devices in those models are enough alike, but there's no universal version that works on all Dells. The version of Dell Diagnostics applicable to the Dimension 4400 is A1109. Visit the download page for that version: http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/...Product/dimens ion-4400?driverId=R47819&osCode=WW1&fileId=2731122665 &languageCode=en&categoryId=DI and at the bottom of the page click "Compatibility" to expand the list of models that version works on. Now, that's the software utility we're talking about above. The fan itself should be pretty much universal. So another alternative might be to swap the 4400's fan into another machine temporarily and use that machine's diagnostic utility to test it. I haven't actually tried that, but as long as the wire connector is the same it should work. If the CPU isn't under heavy load, it should be able to run for a long time with the case open and the green hood flipped up, as that should provide enough ventilation for the CPU heat sink. |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 1:46:14 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
How to know fan speeds on Dell 4400? Maybe Dimension. Can you recommend any programs that will do that? My friend has a Dell, I think it's a 4400, maybe it's a Dimension. The case is a tower, and in the back on the top and bottom there are buttons, and it hinges at the front, so the left side opens up. She's had problems with overheating aiui, and when I first opened the case (Light was very dim and I didn't see the model of the computer), when I opened the case, the CPU fan didn't seem to run after I turned it on. Later though, it did, and maybe the fan is intermittent, like her problem. (It's a pretty big fan at the back of the case at the end of the shroud, Not one that sits on the CPU) I wanted to install something which would display the fan speed. Searching for dell fan speed utility all I found was http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ Dell Inspiron/Latitude/Precision fan control utility I installed that on my own Dell, a 4700 iirc, and it said it didn't get a speed report from the fans. Is that typical? Or could the problem be that maybe I have a Dimension. (I don't care if it works on my computer, only my friend's) Sadly, these older Dells do not have sensors that allow software to monitor and report CPU temperature or fan RPMs. Actually, I do not think any desktop motherboards from this era of Socket 478 CPUs and 845-or-865 chipset do.. That all became possible with Socket 775, and I am unsure which chipset (915,925,945,965,later?) first supported sensors. I have not kept organized notes on these newer Dell boxes like I did with the older black clamshells and black Mitac systems. Interestingly, one enterprising person did write a utility for Dell laptops called I8KFANGUI. I8K was short for the Inspiron 8000, which had heat and ventilation issues. And I8KFANGUI ran on a wide range of older Dell laptops. I stopped using it when I stumbled across CORETEMP one day, because CORETEMP minitors temperatures perfectly well on a wide range of modern desktops and laptops. But not on one of the new Dell ones, the subject of another post for me this evening... Ben Myers |
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:53:39 -0800 (PST), Ben Myers
wrote: On Sunday, February 9, 2014 1:46:14 AM UTC-5, micky wrote: How to know fan speeds on Dell 4400? Maybe Dimension. Can you recommend any programs that will do that? My friend has a Dell, I think it's a 4400, maybe it's a Dimension. The case is a tower, and in the back on the top and bottom there are buttons, and it hinges at the front, so the left side opens up. She's had problems with overheating aiui, and when I first opened the case (Light was very dim and I didn't see the model of the computer), when I opened the case, the CPU fan didn't seem to run after I turned it on. Later though, it did, and maybe the fan is intermittent, like her problem. (It's a pretty big fan at the back of the case at the end of the shroud, Not one that sits on the CPU) I wanted to install something which would display the fan speed. Searching for dell fan speed utility all I found was http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ Dell Inspiron/Latitude/Precision fan control utility I installed that on my own Dell, a 4700 iirc, and it said it didn't get a speed report from the fans. Is that typical? Or could the problem be that maybe I have a Dimension. (I don't care if it works on my computer, only my friend's) Sadly, these older Dells do not have sensors that allow software to monitor and report CPU temperature or fan RPMs. Actually, I do not think any desktop motherboards from this era of Socket 478 CPUs and 845-or-865 chipset do. That all became possible with Socket 775, and I am unsure which chipset (915,925,945,965,later?) first supported sensors. I have not kept organized notes on these newer Dell boxes like I did with the older black clamshells and black Mitac systems. Interestingly, one enterprising person did write a utility for Dell laptops called I8KFANGUI. I8K was short for the Inspiron 8000, which had heat and ventilation issues. And I8KFANGUI ran on a wide range of older Dell laptops. I stopped using it when I stumbled across CORETEMP one day, because CORETEMP minitors temperatures perfectly well on a wide range of modern desktops and laptops. But not on one of the new Dell ones, the subject of another post for me this evening... Ben Myers Thanks Ben, BillW, and dg, I learned a lot. |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:46:14 -0500, micky
wrote: How to know fan speeds on Dell 4400? Maybe Dimension. Can you recommend any programs that will do that? My friend has a Dell, I think it's a 4400, maybe it's a Dimension. The case is a tower, and in the back on the top and bottom there are buttons, and it hinges at the front, so the left side opens up. Yes, Dimension 4400. Ben has explained that the older Dells didn't have sensors for fan speeds** or temperature, and also it turns out my friend's problem runs deeper than that. I came in in the middle. **I assumed it did because the case fan has 3 wires running to it. I thought that meant there was a speed sensor. Did they maybe just use that fan because 2-wire fans were no cheaper or were even harder to get in 2003 or so when the 4400 was made? Anyhow, the deeper problem is this. The monitor is turned on and warmed up before the computer, and yet it doesn't show the start-up screens, with the Dell logo or whatever else follows. Yet on one occasion, after a black screen, it displayed only what I'm calling the start-up option screen, that gives a choice between normal, safe-mode, etc. But not Dell Diagnositcs, that would be another screeen. It was counting down from 30 seconds, and at about 10 seconds, the screen went blank and that's all there was. Except for some noises, maybe from the harddrive. Not what I would describe as the clicking that came from a hard drive I had that had failed. This involved an occasional click or thud, and the harddrive light was lit, but nothing appeared on the screen. 1 Could it have overheated so quickly? We let it cool for 10 minutes and tried again, and nothing at all showed. 2 I thought that until windows started to boot, all the other screen display and info came from the BIOS and it was very unlikely that would be erased, or that it could get to the start-up option screen if it were erased. So how come it doesn't display anything at that earlier stage, where it displays the logo and iss supposed to mention F12? 3. She has two harddrives but no idea why or when. The tag number sticker doesn't seem to be on the box. The drives are arranged so it will be easy to connect them via USB to my laptop, without removing them, but I didn't have the connections with me at the time, and I have to find a time when her tenant can let me in and help me. What I fear will the be the case is not that the one with windows is broken, but that both will seem good, and I won't know what to do. 4. If the one with windows is broken, I'd like to restore windows from the hidden partitition , but that seems harder since that first screeen never shows up on the monitor??? I suppose I can just keep pressing F12. Thanks a lot. This isn't my girlfriend so you're just helping out someone who needs help. She's been using the computer at her job after work hours for personal stuff, but I'm sure she'd be better off at home. |
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How to know fan speeds on a Dell
Sorry, this isn't worth the typing involved...P4, DDR, ATA, XP, if it was my best bud's I would trash it!
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