cannot power "on" ASUS laptop after power outage

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:24:19 +0000 (UTC), Godzilla
Gave us:

It appears that trip would only be a couple inches, however.

Disappointing Decadumper, not even 3 inches.
Must be a bitch to break a Viagra into 6 pieces.

It is a reference to how far your head is up your ass, such that your
asshole and your mouth are only a couple inches apart..

Nice try, though, punk.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC), lid
(Computer Nerd Kev) Gave us:

Defecant_Linux_Luser_Numero_Uno is a very angry person with some serious
mental issues. He needs to make an appointment with a good shrink.
It seems to be common in the Linux community for some odd reason.

Thanks for the explanation.

You're both retarded and he is worse than Donald Trump. And look at
you touting his words as "explanations"..

You are beyond stupid.

On 2015-10-18, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:24:19 +0000 (UTC), Godzilla
Gave us:

It appears that trip would only be a couple inches, however.

Disappointing Decadumper, not even 3 inches.
Must be a bitch to break a Viagra into 6 pieces.

It is a reference to how far your head is up your ass, such that your
asshole and your mouth are only a couple inches apart..

Nice try, though, punk.

It wasn't a reference to me at all, you trinket gathering poof.

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♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖

"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:48:17 -0400, Caver1 Gave
us:

snip

This one is 135 Watts. Would (may) only need an output plug
changeout.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012HW5A9O

And no, the wattage does not have to match the original. More is
better. It is just a declaration of what the supply is able to provide.
Your device still uses only what it uses. It merely has a better
likelihood of providing a cleaner DC feed, and exhibiting less heat
while doing so.

ASUS representative said...

"A higher wattage AC adapter can cause damage to battery overtime.
Thus, it is not recommended."

Is this true?

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:50:22 -0700, "Adam" wrote:


"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:48:17 -0400, Caver1 Gave
us:

snip

This one is 135 Watts. Would (may) only need an output plug
changeout.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012HW5A9O

And no, the wattage does not have to match the original. More is
better. It is just a declaration of what the supply is able to provide.
Your device still uses only what it uses. It merely has a better
likelihood of providing a cleaner DC feed, and exhibiting less heat
while doing so.

ASUS representative said...

"A higher wattage AC adapter can cause damage to battery overtime.
Thus, it is not recommended."

Is this true?


I don't see how it could be true. If that's the case, the power
company could severely damage everything since they always have excess
power capacity (except in brownouts). Now higher than spec'd voltage
could be a possible problem.

But then, I'm a mechanical, not electrical, engineer.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:50:22 -0700, "Adam" Gave us:


"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:48:17 -0400, Caver1 Gave
us:

snip

This one is 135 Watts. Would (may) only need an output plug
changeout.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012HW5A9O

And no, the wattage does not have to match the original. More is
better. It is just a declaration of what the supply is able to provide.
Your device still uses only what it uses. It merely has a better
likelihood of providing a cleaner DC feed, and exhibiting less heat
while doing so.

ASUS representative said...

"A higher wattage AC adapter can cause damage to battery overtime.
Thus, it is not recommended."

Is this true?

No. A battery is charged by voltage. It requires a voltage greater
than the battery's operating voltage. That is usually managed by a
watchdog chip/circuit. They operate from within a specific input
voltage range and ONLY feed the battery the voltage it needs. And they
stop the charging cycle when they are through. You'll notice this same
behavior on your smart phone and some laptops when they say "not
charging" even though you attached an external source.

An adaptor that can put out 65W does so comfortably and without
exhibiting heat or feeding a noisy rail (ripple). That means if they
get fully loaded to the 65W rating, they are supposed to work at that
level 24/7/365, as in "full duty cycle". A higher power, same voltage
supply does the same thing and at it rated power when loaded to that
level. If you hook it up to a lesser load, it will pull less and run
cooler and exhibit less ripple.

So essentially he couldn't be more wrong if he tried.

It is incorrect to attach a higher voltage supply, but NOT incorrect
to attach a higher wattage supply. The wattage rating declares the work
which it is capable of doing.. It does not "feed more" if the load has
not changed, and it has not. The device acts no differently simply
because a more capable, quieter running power unit got attached.
As long as the voltage matches, the device will draw no more power than
it did on the other power supply device.

I can not explain it more concisely, because that covers it
completely.

You can tell him I said he is wrong, and needs to go back to bull****
salesman school.

On 10/15/15 11:33, Adam so wittily quipped:
System: ASUS N61JQ (laptop)
Host OS: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS


After a power outage yesterday, pressing the power button of
ASUS laptop does nothing. The laptop was/is connected to
an APC battery backup (surge protection only) outlet (via AC adapter).
AC adapter's green light is "on".

Any ideas?



try removing all power (including the battery). Wait a minute, put the
battery back in, and try powering off of the battery. Then try powering
off of both battery AND charger. And finally, with the battery removed,
try running it JUST on the charger. If all 3 of these fail, your
hardware is probably FUBAR.

you might also see if the power cable on the charger is messed up. Give
the wires a wiggle, see if it does something.

it's also possible that whatever power event caused the outage might
have damaged your laptop charger. it _might_ happen.

"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:50:22 -0700, "Adam" Gave us:


"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:48:17 -0400, Caver1 Gave
us:

snip

This one is 135 Watts. Would (may) only need an output plug
changeout.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012HW5A9O

And no, the wattage does not have to match the original. More is
better. It is just a declaration of what the supply is able to provide.
Your device still uses only what it uses. It merely has a better
likelihood of providing a cleaner DC feed, and exhibiting less heat
while doing so.

ASUS representative said...

"A higher wattage AC adapter can cause damage to battery overtime.
Thus, it is not recommended."

Is this true?

No. A battery is charged by voltage. It requires a voltage greater
than the battery's operating voltage. That is usually managed by a
watchdog chip/circuit. They operate from within a specific input
voltage range and ONLY feed the battery the voltage it needs. And they
stop the charging cycle when they are through. You'll notice this same
behavior on your smart phone and some laptops when they say "not
charging" even though you attached an external source.

An adaptor that can put out 65W does so comfortably and without
exhibiting heat or feeding a noisy rail (ripple). That means if they
get fully loaded to the 65W rating, they are supposed to work at that
level 24/7/365, as in "full duty cycle". A higher power, same voltage
supply does the same thing and at it rated power when loaded to that
level. If you hook it up to a lesser load, it will pull less and run
cooler and exhibit less ripple.

So essentially he couldn't be more wrong if he tried.

It is incorrect to attach a higher voltage supply, but NOT incorrect
to attach a higher wattage supply. The wattage rating declares the work
which it is capable of doing.. It does not "feed more" if the load has
not changed, and it has not. The device acts no differently simply
because a more capable, quieter running power unit got attached.
As long as the voltage matches, the device will draw no more power than
it did on the other power supply device.

I can not explain it more concisely, because that covers it
completely.

You can tell him I said he is wrong, and needs to go back to bull****
salesman school.


Thanks (NumeroUno), that makes sense. So, if I stick with
a 19V AC adapter that is 90+W, I should be fine.

Just FYI, the following items...

90 Watt AC Adapter (New Design) 0A001-00051000
http://us.estore.asus.com/products/0a001-00051000

6-Cell Battery 07G016HJ1875
http://us.estore.asus.com/products/07g016hj1875

were suggested to me by ASUS.


This is OT but anyone know how to find a dental hygienist,
with whom you've lost touch (because
the "new" owner wants that relationship severed)?

The previous owner retired.
[Alan L. Grimm, DDS, Milpitas, CA]
And, I don't know her last name.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:01:53 -0700, Big Bad Bob
Gave us:

try removing all power (including the battery).

Try reading the thread. It was half a month ago and was solved.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:17:01 -0700, "Adam" Gave us:
snip
This is OT but anyone know how to find a dental hygienist,
with whom you've lost touch (because
the "new" owner wants that relationship severed)?

The previous owner retired.
[Alan L. Grimm, DDS, Milpitas, CA]
And, I don't know her last name.

Well with a name like Alan, I'll bet she has a pretty low voice an a
fairly large clit! :-)