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7DPXDW-P RAID - Howto?
Hello,
I have a GA-7DPXDW-P MB and was wondering if is it possible to "upgrade" the RAID on this MB to enable full RAID 0+1 configuration. I have 4 120GB disks that I'd like to mirror and stripe, giving me fast 240GB of mirrored disk. I have been searching round the net and found something that might be of help. On http://www.anycities.com/user/treiber/ there's a link to "20276 2.00.0.28 Full Raid" Promise ROM. I presume this is what I need, but I am not sure how to actually burn the changed ROM. I understand German, so I will read through the http://lumberjacker.kettenfett.com/ (from where the link originates) and hope to find more information there, but I was wondering it anyone here has preformed this operation on this board. Any hints, tips, pointers to information or a review of the procedure will be very much appreciated. Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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Well Jan .. your MB was strange to me so I had to look it up. What a nice
board. Since the PDC20276 will not give you what want, please consider the HighPoint RocketRAID 133 It will handle RAID 0+1. The mother board manual indicated that you can boot from this add-on board. As I am sure you know, setting up the controller is done at boot time. After the BIOS looks at your VGA BIOS it finds and executes the RAID BIOS. You enter and set-up the 1+0. Some how you must partition and format the drives. That is o/s dependent. The HighPoint manual is good. JPS "Jan Kalin" wrote in message ... Hello, I have a GA-7DPXDW-P MB and was wondering if is it possible to "upgrade" the RAID on this MB to enable full RAID 0+1 configuration. I have 4 120GB disks that I'd like to mirror and stripe, giving me fast 240GB of mirrored disk. I have been searching round the net and found something that might be of help. On http://www.anycities.com/user/treiber/ there's a link to "20276 2.00.0.28 Full Raid" Promise ROM. I presume this is what I need, but I am not sure how to actually burn the changed ROM. I understand German, so I will read through the http://lumberjacker.kettenfett.com/ (from where the link originates) and hope to find more information there, but I was wondering it anyone here has preformed this operation on this board. Any hints, tips, pointers to information or a review of the procedure will be very much appreciated. Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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In article GBQtc.10327$eY2.3883@attbi_s02, jpsga wrote:
Well Jan .. your MB was strange to me so I had to look it up. What a nice board. I agree Dual processors rock! I'd much rather have two slower processors than one fast one - the system is responsive even during heavy calculations. Since the PDC20276 will not give you what want, please consider the HighPoint RocketRAID 133 It will handle RAID 0+1. Yes, I did some more research and found out that the whole thing is actually my fault for not having thoroughly read the board documentation. It says that RAID 0 and RAID 1 are supported, but says nothing about RAID 0+1. Additionally the controler itself doesn't support 0+1, so no ammout of BIOS hackery will enable that. Thank you for the suggestion, but I have decided to go with Promise Fasttrak TX2000 controler that I can pick up from a store on Monday, whilst I'd have to order and wait for the HighPoint controller. The reviews for TX2000 seem very good and coupled with 4 Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 ATA133 and a 66MHz bus I should get 266MB/s transfer speeds. The mother board manual indicated that you can boot from this add-on board. Actually I'll keep the system disk as it is and leave it as a separate non-RAID disk. I don't keep anything important on the system disk and have a habit of wiping and reinstalling OS periodically (to make up for the deficient uninstalls of various programs that I test). So I prefer having a "standalone" smallish system disk that I can wipe at any time and separate disks for data. As I am sure you know, setting up the controller is done at boot time. After the BIOS looks at your VGA BIOS it finds and executes the RAID BIOS. You enter and set-up the 1+0. Some how you must partition and format the drives. That is o/s dependent. I can get to the RAID BIOS interface and set up the array, but the "lite" version of the controler allows only one array containing only two drives. The other pair is then used as two separate drives. I haven't yet installed drivers for NT, because I want to get the low-level part right before offering the new drives to NT. Anyway, thanks for suggestions. Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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Good luck on your adventure. I envy you those Diamond Max 9's. Would like to
know what speeds you get and how you measured same Jim "Jan Kalin" wrote in message ... In article GBQtc.10327$eY2.3883@attbi_s02, jpsga wrote: Well Jan .. your MB was strange to me so I had to look it up. What a nice board. I agree Dual processors rock! I'd much rather have two slower processors than one fast one - the system is responsive even during heavy calculations. Since the PDC20276 will not give you what want, please consider the HighPoint RocketRAID 133 It will handle RAID 0+1. Yes, I did some more research and found out that the whole thing is actually my fault for not having thoroughly read the board documentation. It says that RAID 0 and RAID 1 are supported, but says nothing about RAID 0+1. Additionally the controler itself doesn't support 0+1, so no ammout of BIOS hackery will enable that. Thank you for the suggestion, but I have decided to go with Promise Fasttrak TX2000 controler that I can pick up from a store on Monday, whilst I'd have to order and wait for the HighPoint controller. The reviews for TX2000 seem very good and coupled with 4 Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 ATA133 and a 66MHz bus I should get 266MB/s transfer speeds. The mother board manual indicated that you can boot from this add-on board. Actually I'll keep the system disk as it is and leave it as a separate non-RAID disk. I don't keep anything important on the system disk and have a habit of wiping and reinstalling OS periodically (to make up for the deficient uninstalls of various programs that I test). So I prefer having a "standalone" smallish system disk that I can wipe at any time and separate disks for data. As I am sure you know, setting up the controller is done at boot time. After the BIOS looks at your VGA BIOS it finds and executes the RAID BIOS. You enter and set-up the 1+0. Some how you must partition and format the drives. That is o/s dependent. I can get to the RAID BIOS interface and set up the array, but the "lite" version of the controler allows only one array containing only two drives. The other pair is then used as two separate drives. I haven't yet installed drivers for NT, because I want to get the low-level part right before offering the new drives to NT. Anyway, thanks for suggestions. Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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In article MK9uc.20408$Ly.3625@attbi_s01, jpsga wrote:
Good luck on your adventure. I envy you those Diamond Max 9's. Would like to Thanks. I have to confess that this is a company computer - I wouldn't spend so much money on my home computer, especially since I use VNC to control my work computer from home, so cmputing power is always there. know what speeds you get and how you measured same Jim I will report back. Cheers, Jan "Jan Kalin" wrote in message ... In article GBQtc.10327$eY2.3883@attbi_s02, jpsga wrote: Well Jan .. your MB was strange to me so I had to look it up. What a nice board. I agree Dual processors rock! I'd much rather have two slower processors than one fast one - the system is responsive even during heavy calculations. Since the PDC20276 will not give you what want, please consider the HighPoint RocketRAID 133 It will handle RAID 0+1. Yes, I did some more research and found out that the whole thing is actually my fault for not having thoroughly read the board documentation. It says that RAID 0 and RAID 1 are supported, but says nothing about RAID 0+1. Additionally the controler itself doesn't support 0+1, so no ammout of BIOS hackery will enable that. Thank you for the suggestion, but I have decided to go with Promise Fasttrak TX2000 controler that I can pick up from a store on Monday, whilst I'd have to order and wait for the HighPoint controller. The reviews for TX2000 seem very good and coupled with 4 Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 ATA133 and a 66MHz bus I should get 266MB/s transfer speeds. The mother board manual indicated that you can boot from this add-on board. Actually I'll keep the system disk as it is and leave it as a separate non-RAID disk. I don't keep anything important on the system disk and have a habit of wiping and reinstalling OS periodically (to make up for the deficient uninstalls of various programs that I test). So I prefer having a "standalone" smallish system disk that I can wipe at any time and separate disks for data. As I am sure you know, setting up the controller is done at boot time. After the BIOS looks at your VGA BIOS it finds and executes the RAID BIOS. You enter and set-up the 1+0. Some how you must partition and format the drives. That is o/s dependent. I can get to the RAID BIOS interface and set up the array, but the "lite" version of the controler allows only one array containing only two drives. The other pair is then used as two separate drives. I haven't yet installed drivers for NT, because I want to get the low-level part right before offering the new drives to NT. Anyway, thanks for suggestions. Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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In alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte, you wrote:
Good luck on your adventure. I envy you those Diamond Max 9's. Would like to know what speeds you get and how you measured same Jim The FastTrak TX2000 controller is now in, disks arranged in a 2x2 array (240GB of mirrored and striped disks), NT driver installed and things are looking good. The system consists of: GigaByte GA-7DPDXDW-P dual Athlon MP 1800 CPUs 1GB RAM 4x Maxtor DiamondMax 9 120GB (user) 1x IBM Deskstar 20GB (system + backup) 1x IBM Deskstar 80GB (removable) Matrox G400 Dualhead with 2x Iiyama Vision Master Pro 450 17" Windows NT4+SP6 I just checked speed with "Drive!", obtained from http://www.xponik.spb.ru/drive/index.html (the actual file is ftp://xponik.spb.ru/pub/hdd/Drive_10.zip). The speeds I get a Avg. Linear Read Speed: 69.9 MB/s Min. Linear Read Speed: 34.2 MB/s Max. Linear Read Speed: 103.0 MB/s Avg. Access Time: 11.9 ms Max. Cache Read Speed: 132.1 MB/s It took 45 seconds to make a copy of a 635MB AVI file - 14 MB/s read and write on the same disk. Theoretically I should get 266 MB/s. Seeing 132.1 MB/s (approx. half of 266) as the top cache read speed (i.e., just shuffling data across the bus) makes me wonder if I have a bus issue. The RAID controler *is* in a 64bit, 66MHz slot, but I don't have bus mastering turned on (I had a bad experience once when the data on disks got trashed and I cannot afford to do so with the work computer). Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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Ya know, something looks wrong.
I assume the drives are 6Y120P0 Average is 69.9 ?? Gee, that's (Max+Min)/2. This is a strait line average and we shouldn't have a strait line from 103 to 34.2. Min Read speed 34.2MB/s. That's is the Min for a single drive with no RAID. Max Speed 103.0 MB/s That what I get on a 32bit bus. Are you happy with the test software? The Cossacks would not let me get the ..ZIP file, so I couldn't look at it. Maybe we are both wrong about the advantages of PCI X. I am going to look into it. Jim "Jan Kalin" wrote in message ... In alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.gigabyte, you wrote: Good luck on your adventure. I envy you those Diamond Max 9's. Would like to know what speeds you get and how you measured same Jim The FastTrak TX2000 controller is now in, disks arranged in a 2x2 array (240GB of mirrored and striped disks), NT driver installed and things are looking good. The system consists of: GigaByte GA-7DPDXDW-P dual Athlon MP 1800 CPUs 1GB RAM 4x Maxtor DiamondMax 9 120GB (user) 1x IBM Deskstar 20GB (system + backup) 1x IBM Deskstar 80GB (removable) Matrox G400 Dualhead with 2x Iiyama Vision Master Pro 450 17" Windows NT4+SP6 I just checked speed with "Drive!", obtained from http://www.xponik.spb.ru/drive/index.html (the actual file is ftp://xponik.spb.ru/pub/hdd/Drive_10.zip). The speeds I get a Avg. Linear Read Speed: 69.9 MB/s Min. Linear Read Speed: 34.2 MB/s Max. Linear Read Speed: 103.0 MB/s Avg. Access Time: 11.9 ms Max. Cache Read Speed: 132.1 MB/s It took 45 seconds to make a copy of a 635MB AVI file - 14 MB/s read and write on the same disk. Theoretically I should get 266 MB/s. Seeing 132.1 MB/s (approx. half of 266) as the top cache read speed (i.e., just shuffling data across the bus) makes me wonder if I have a bus issue. The RAID controler *is* in a 64bit, 66MHz slot, but I don't have bus mastering turned on (I had a bad experience once when the data on disks got trashed and I cannot afford to do so with the work computer). Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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Jan Kalin wrote:
Hello, I have a GA-7DPXDW-P MB and was wondering if is it possible to "upgrade" the RAID on this MB to enable full RAID 0+1 configuration. I have 4 120GB disks that I'd like to mirror and stripe, giving me fast 240GB of mirrored disk. I have been searching round the net and found something that might be of help. On http://www.anycities.com/user/treiber/ there's a link to "20276 2.00.0.28 Full Raid" Promise ROM. I presume this is what I need, but I am not sure how to actually burn the changed ROM. I understand German, so I will read through the http://lumberjacker.kettenfett.com/ (from where the link originates) and hope to find more information there, but I was wondering it anyone here has preformed this operation on this board. Any hints, tips, pointers to information or a review of the procedure will be very much appreciated. Cheers, Jan The RAID controller's firmware is merged as a module into the main motherboard BIOS. Assuming it's an award BIOS there are utilities to manipulate its structure/modules (cbrom, modbin - basically you need cbrom here). Using cbrom, you would release the existing RAID module from the motherboard's BIOS file and then inject the full RAID Promise ROM file. There could be two modules in the motherboard BIOS though - one for simple ATA operation and one for RAID operation. You should replace the RAID one obviously. Assuming the Promise ROM is correct for the 20276 chip that's all you need do BIOS-wise. (in the case of ATA100 Promise RAID, the available ROMs from fasttrak controllers were for the PDC20267 chip which promise used on their PCI RAID controllers, and this had a different ID from the PDC20265R chip which was given to motherboard makers for onboard implementations - this required a slightly hacked Promise ROM. I think however that the PDC20276 is common to both motherboards and Promise ATA133 PCI RAID cards so this should be straighforward). Make sure you install correct drivers for the new ROM version too, if required. http://www.stormpages.com/crazyape/downloads.html This deals with the older PDC20265R bus has some useful stuff. Regards Nikos |
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In article , Nikolaos Tampakis wrote:
Jan Kalin wrote: Hello, I have a GA-7DPXDW-P MB and was wondering if is it possible to "upgrade" the RAID on this MB to enable full RAID 0+1 configuration. I have 4 120GB disks that I'd like to mirror and stripe, giving me fast 240GB of mirrored disk. I have been searching round the net and found something that might be of help. On http://www.anycities.com/user/treiber/ there's a link to "20276 2.00.0.28 Full Raid" Promise ROM. I presume this is what I need, but I am not sure how to actually burn the changed ROM. I understand German, so I will read through the http://lumberjacker.kettenfett.com/ (from where the link originates) and hope to find more information there, but I was wondering it anyone here has preformed this operation on this board. Any hints, tips, pointers to information or a review of the procedure will be very much appreciated. Cheers, Jan The RAID controller's firmware is merged as a module into the main motherboard BIOS. Assuming it's an award BIOS there are utilities to manipulate its structure/modules (cbrom, modbin - basically you need cbrom here). Using cbrom, you would release the existing RAID module from the motherboard's BIOS file and then inject the full RAID Promise ROM file. There could be two modules in the motherboard BIOS though - one for simple ATA operation and one for RAID operation. You should replace the RAID one obviously. Assuming the Promise ROM is correct for the 20276 chip that's all you need do BIOS-wise. (in the case of ATA100 Promise RAID, the available ROMs from fasttrak controllers were for the PDC20267 chip which promise used on their PCI RAID controllers, and this had a different ID from the PDC20265R chip which was given to motherboard makers for onboard implementations - this required a slightly hacked Promise ROM. I think however that the PDC20276 is common to both motherboards and Promise ATA133 PCI RAID cards so this should be straighforward). Make sure you install correct drivers for the new ROM version too, if required. http://www.stormpages.com/crazyape/downloads.html This deals with the older PDC20265R bus has some useful stuff. Thank you for the information. In the end I've decided not to mess around with BIOS - I cannot afford to muck up the computer as I have rather a lot of work and don't want to risk too much downtime. I'll be getting a Promise TX2000 controller that does RAID 0+1 without any trickery. Cheers, Jan -- /"\ Jan Kalin (male, preferred languages: Slovene, English) \ / http://charm.zag.si/eng/, email: "name dot surname AT zag dot si" X ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML in mail and postings. / \ I'm a .signature virus. Copy me to help me spread. |
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